Michael Patrick Leahy on Fauxahantas

We told you about yesterday Elizabeth Warren ancestor rounded up cherokees for the trail of tears. And the this the story was written by -- Michael Patrick Leahy a cousin. He's a columnist and he's a cousin of leaky Leahy the senator from Vermont for for those of our listeners and that WV empty might be my. And it it turns out of course that that that. That she's not well we have Michael Patrick Leahy with us right now he's say yeah use geologist and a columnist for bright part but console. What you bring imam let him explain is his findings here on on the the lady with the -- -- in the blond hair and -- the high cheekbones. Michael Patrick Leahy thank you thanks for joining us here on the Howie Carr show today. Ellie what a great pleasure it is to be on your program I've listened to you often look them up in Boston and you have -- do you do a great job there and this is a reporter for me to be an approach. Well -- you've got a great job here with the story we we're in Washington yesterday and I just like kept the I kept the story up on my a on my computer and just every guest that came by which show it to amend it would lead to well. Just -- gales of laughter. -- Among all the elected officials and various other -- and sought I mean this is just. This is -- up well for the first question I report is originally you said that you thought that she. She might be 164. Cherokee. Well actually what I said -- was that the best scenario for her yeah. Was that she might be 164. Turkey but that was giving her that. They absolute benefit of the doubt what I can tell you that it's important for your audience and is the following base on all of the evidence. That has been presented to Tuesday. I can say with confidence. That Elizabeth Warren has no. Cherokee heritage or ancestry. Zero. About the Delaware's that's another tribe that she's inexplicably thrown around as well and passed. You know no evidence presented -- I mean she goes on family -- She first made these claims 25 years ago. Which you know she never presented any evidence. But -- war and in fact when she announced her candidacy for -- she had no such evidence. Didn't present that. The only time that even -- slanderous. -- of evidence was presented more as a couple weeks ago. And -- the the greatest of all ironies Kelly. It is that slender thread yes that led me to. The bat. But they're they're great great great grandfather. Was a member of the militia here in Tennessee. From 1835 to 1836 that was charged with -- rounding up the turkeys from their houses. In the Tennessee North Carolina and Georgia and transporting them to be stock Haiti's. In Chattanooga. Because she because she he she was citing that her great great great great Gramm's mother so you -- interest that you and several other genealogy a Scotty in that. In her great great great great grandfather. Well let me just also say that you're quite right my findings in. About her great great great grandfather's. Participation in this militia. Have been confirmed. By several sources including Paul read a certified you know just in Utah. He's he's while Boston Herald today so let's talk about this. Just let's talk about this. False. Claim. That she's 132. Turkey and here's the the origin of that and think of this. -- is if you were talking about your own characters I know I know that's. Your Kelly Carson -- junior. His dad Howie -- senior died at the age -- 103 cup years ago I know that because it's. Up there yes there have been obituaries and that's an infringement take -- your own family history yes. Let's say that there is say. Maybe 1894. Marriage license application. In Oklahoma territory. That that your great great grand uncle who is 57 years old time. Applies for his name is William. My own Internet that's why is not even mighty it's not even to direct -- it's on. It's a -- not a fault not my fault not my grandfather too great -- And that's the posted reported Cherokee great great great grandmother by the way -- -- terrorist Smith. Crawford never. Made subsequent. Ever in her life and in fact. And 1894 when the claim was made by her youngest son at the time to accept. She had been dead for well over twenty years. Almon and have really it looks like she never got west of tenancy. In her lifetime. So. This war little piece of information I've not seen it actually nor has. The genealogy is in New England the -- to. Chris -- Who reported a couple of weeks ago. That -- discovered an electronic index of this application. Yeah I think that's in the original. So apparently. But this is this electronic indexes this C anywhere near on the Internet that Barack Obama's. Second bursts -- that against. I I don't know where it is I you know I talked to Chris personally about this before. And before I discovered. The truth about her great great great grandfather rounding up securities. And you know he's he's so quick he's just trying to play it you know -- be partisan which is the way geological researcher is. Company -- he was very skeptical. Of this claim as well. Well like the fact that they you don't like Schiavo we've obviously been following this was might you know my newspaper broke the story that Harold and and but -- like the fact that yoshi's 'cause she says that she's proven that she has Indian blood by this by this dubious. Dubious claim that she's made it now. The thing and in fact it is so dubious and slender. That any war on anybody in your listing audience he's an amateur geologist is if they -- to look at this data. There -- if we were in their own file they would dismiss it. Because. -- is no other contemporaneous. Evidence of any support were such a claim is made. -- say is that here you came up this yesterday with the fact that her her own. A direct this are a direct ancestor. Well it was involved in the trail of tears are rounding them up for that rounding up cherokees -- the trail of tears not to mention another Indian war in Florida. And not to mention the record of the Tennessee militia days before the sky joined -- wondering Andrew Jackson in durable power of 1812. A New York how liked it took they want to the they -- to the Indians the Tennessee militia was to the Indians what a blackened hands -- to the Irish. I would say after row World War I mean they they had a bad very bad reputation would you not agree. Well I I think for that Europe. I think that's probably not and in essence statement that that you make -- I will tell you this. There is no way that I would have discovered any of this had not the war and campaign. -- publicly put out the information. I couldn't call this suppose it's just. 132. Great great great grandmother -- Police say you know you you seem to come up with. Incontrovertible. Evidence that the -- related to this guy from the Tennessee militia who you know it's who was involved in is it. Unfriendly actions against the against the people would she -- she's the tribe she's a member up. And yet now she dismisses that as politics as usual you know other sports early to see here folks -- law. What he's clearly. I'm not denying the claim. No she's not she know what that's what she's she says it's politics as usual what is it true or is -- much for. Debt and the fact that that fifth seed she's the one who made her heritage -- the public record. In fact though as you know obviously. As you know. You know she's been public claiming it in the American association of law school directory since 1985. So for over -- quarter century she made the claim just a couple weeks ago and Dorchester on April 27. She made a public statement and said. I am proud of my native American Heritage. Well he has no evidence. No credible evidence whatsoever to support that. We're -- -- -- high cheekbones. Who you know I doubt that the -- according to credible evidence Alley. Which -- to a Michael Patrick Leahy a genealogy star columnist for bright part dot com and he's easily he came up with the first. Link between Elizabeth Warren and the entering ancestor who where it was in the Tennessee militia when they were rounding up by cherokees for the for the trip to Oklahoma. Is it is they -- is there any paw is is there anything left out there that could that that could bail her out of this GM the -- and I mean is there really is there any other G-8 hours I mean you you seem to of course you know corresponded with the most of the pop -- all of us in the in the field here. Right is thirty and that could come out the. But you know I don't know I mean it's sort of it's it's them the burden of proof is on her. If she didn't quite think about this. You know -- you would never claimed to be a descendant of Patrick Henry for instance even if you're. Great grandfather told you that unless you can prove it as just a matter of integrity and obviously. For some reason she didn't think that's standard of proof beyond just. We're grim toll we have high cheekbones as a pro. -- -- Isn't it they -- spot baffling well Michael Patrick Leahy is that -- an issue because it began claiming that she was an Indian her academic career began a began to take off. She yeah well she's here's this woman she's a graduate of the University of Houston which you know is not exactly. You you know what the Harvard. Access and it did in the in the Rutgers university law school and now suddenly she goes to from University of Texas. To -- to pan -- Ivy League school to Harvard law the of the the chemical. We know -- as late as 1996. Harvard Law School was publicly claiming that she was in fact in native Americans this was you know Michael two more. There's a statement has been made this statement the Harvard Crimson 1996 to confront them -- I don't believe I'm -- you never know this until she read it two weeks 02 weeks ago this coming Friday on the front page of the Boston Herald. You're like a lot of things about Elizabeth Warren that's simply not a critical point because. I love the fact that she claimed she I mean and she hates The Herald -- obviously for you know but they know what's not a credible claim but is it it's just a I don't I think it's up Harvard though I mean you know what is harbor dividend what are what are they gonna do claim all America here and and say that they are not that they're not going to release the main they claim they have won a native American on the Harvard law faculty and they won't release the name. What is it what is it that this person this person is in the Libya the faculty witness protection program of Harvard university and what it what is going on here. Well I you know -- -- -- been undergraduate and graduate of Harvard. And you know office. As little -- I would say it's probably appropriate for the university to make a statement correcting statement on this. Right but they they I mean I understand that they've they've there's -- -- they -- what they would look like fools if they now confirm that the that she had they did that that she had that duped them into thinking that she was an -- because they obviously did not checking. Well that's that you're absolutely right now that's what's so fascinating about this wouldn't you think that Harvard. Would have at least gone through a minimal. Betting process of this claim is I mean it is you know that the greatest institution. Academic institution in the world and they don't have to do resurgence it would seem to me that this would be an appropriate kind of you might check it's quite true. Well -- you know -- -- Harvard alarm I'm sure you're familiar with the story -- -- the kid's name is Adam Wheeler he was a he's from Delaware. And that's of oddly enough. But he's not a Delaware and -- he falsified his his hit his academic record. To get into Harvard and he did get -- Harvard. Undergrad. And I he did pretty well but -- was exposed as a as as a fake or is a fraud. And he had -- falsified his academic -- -- end -- Harvard press criminal charges against them I believe that a man actually thrown into what the bill work house correction for short bet. Well you know. There's the issue of acting with integrity is something that you know Harvard and everyone really -- to follow your special Elizabeth Warren and I would encourage you. Knew anybody in the press -- fair or any private citizen when they have an opportunity to speak with her to ask the question is it true. Is this they terse statement. Are you can you provide any evidence whatsoever that you have native American ancestry which you can't. At least at the present moment. And it -- You are sticking by that even though it's now been discredited she still sticking by what Childs said last week. Right and -- Credible do you think about this you know he was the youngest of eight children. None of the other seven children ever made this claim his mother never made the claim. His father never made the claim there's no evidence. To support that claim and of course you have to think about what was going on in Oklahoma. Territory in the 1894. And what if any benefit. William. Grand uncle might have been able to received. By claiming that his mother was security what what what in the well you know I've I've seen some people who -- knowledgeable that there were some benefits in terms of securing the real estate. I -- in that time by claiming. Turkey ancestry but I haven't been able to verify that I -- -- people -- audience could look into that question. It seems like a question to me. But McKinney a large but I Piniella just point of view. I have sufficiently dismissed that. That claim is having any credibility so that's about the end of my -- Level of interest some -- gonna speculate too much on his motives although it would be interesting to point out. If that's let's have -- and an intense thing accounts and everybody I mean he can't -- can check him from the great beyond happy hour. It's a guy who will listen -- you've got -- you've got a really good job here and I you know I I I tell -- -- the with the picture that we put on our website of -- -- from the Budweiser picture of custer's last -- I think it's a better picture than one you've got a -- part here it's -- and there's -- -- -- -- -- you know I -- all. All we see is that all we see is that you know I'm wondering if this if BS the the one must soldier that you see there with his the rightful strong over his chest. I'm wondering if that's that's her great great great great. Grandfather. We'll go to questions that the medium in Massachusetts and average citizen should be asking Elizabeth -- Yeah -- each is -- all men like Janet I I just can't believe it you you're like I guess I can believe it but now what's -- now it's turning out Michael Patrick Leahy that. But her -- scholarship was apparently extremely shoddy and that people are -- even ABC news is saying that the it wasn't even up to snuff for an undergraduate. Paper -- let alone a post postgraduate Paper -- I think investor business daily have had an article on that that's not my particular area of expertise but it is interest. -- -- Michael Patrick Leahy -- -- thanks for being with us here and you know -- -- if you could come up with anything more. Let -- let us -- and I especially well and I'm not gonna claimed and by the way I'm not claiming to be an Indian I'm not that I'm not bodies back up the and a I can I can try the oil I had the furthest back I can -- it my ancestry is my idea is my grandfather who was born in Portland Maine in 1860. Analysts on its side you he was so my father was the seventh son of a seven silence that's far backers like but he says he's not Indians for. LA this has just been a highlight of my eight month to have the opportunity to be guests and your programs. Well thank you it's it's great to have you on and like I said you what you gave us Ali great -- a lot of amusement yesterday we all enjoyed reading the story and pat pat Pat Buchanan. I you know practically had the push it back copy was he was doubled over in -- Rocks the idea. What -- -- -- the headline. It there was just it's just it's it's too good it's still it's too good I mean I -- -- maybe maybe you know you -- -- a -- and the two other thing I'm not as a Harvard -- although I did -- five I did teach five weeks. A a guy and -- study group but but -- -- for five weeks so. I guess by Barack Obama's standards I'm I'm a professor emeritus of cost. I feel that's a pretty darn good institution Alex. Yeah well it it well we're having a few of their of their few scandal breaking right now with the African American studies department as you probably know but. You know that's just one of those things where will what will willow like like Elizabeth Warren you know nothing to see here folks just move along that's what that's what Coach Williams said yesterday they space for being with us Michael -- -- I appreciate -- and our -- -- and he's a bright part dot com we got a link on our website -- it's just growth and this is just too too good to good. 18 outcome that we come back I'll region the Astoria on her run her record. As Leo record as they ask. You know -- I said the some idea in my column yesterday and to better the it would the hologram long has said if up. Do you think Harvard would've been as impressed with her scholarship -- now she's claiming she's a great scholar. With they've been as impressed with her scholarship she had checked the native American box on. On the job application and I think it's pretty clear that wouldn't have been but will I will get to that and will also talk about the you know among other things. The by the way of first good news for all cup cake lovers the Massachusetts House of Representatives today has beaten the Massachusetts State Senate to the punch and and they have a -- of -- they have repealed the ban on bake sales and public schools and how car.