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Welcome back this is Tom Finneran you while listening to concerns forum on -- M 680 WR KO Boston, Massachusetts best and biggest or read talk show and we delighted to welcome congressman Ron Paul so congressman from Texas. One of the candidates for the presidential nomination on the Republican side all of whom will be debating in the next couple of days appear in New Hampshire. So we'll be able to see congressman Ron Paul in another debate performance but it's even better yet to be able to welcome him to WR KO and veterans forum.

And -- congressman you making a splash in many many ways it is. Interesting and unusual to see and I want to confess right away to a CNN. That I should not commit but have committed it unfortunately repeatedly. I fall into what I call the top here window dressing assessment -- say always get the name recognition who's got the money. And you know you know they in the outside of the -- on the Republican side -- are clearly not that -- but you continue to make news and make waves I'm fascinated by this tell us what is going on out on the campaign trail with you run every day

there's a lot I don't want him on though is a lot of people very interested. And I think has to do with the Internet. That's where were getting most responses hand Internet leads in other interviews some. Major national TV interviews so I'd rather not saying there is a lot because there are all I think -- American philosophy of limited government individual freedom in the constitution and I think a lot of people. Our commitment in responding very.

Given the fact that we admit we -- as a nation we made the decision you may -- may have and I know I think he did at the time disagree with the decision to go to war in Iraq. -- in Afghanistan he had -- in Iraq. And the mess that we have been even the president concedes that it's a -- What would you suggest is the right policy for -- to date given. Given the dynamics of the of the reality on the ground.

Well we have to reverse -- because it. -- in Afghanistan in -- in its deployment of some of them are here is acting. In that goes sort of war in Iraq so we need to reverse that trend because Robert Byrd attacking Iraq. We have and maybe there would be have troops from both sides they're on and I as a very dangerous policies black. Start moving -- is that he be turn off our streets patrolling cupboard is the the Iraqis and and sort of two.

And an -- get the troops out of Afghanistan as well even though that reportedly is where Osama read what's left of his leadership. Is is holed up somewhere in and around the border between Pakistan and Afghanistan.

most people believe in these and figure out I think is -- and laden. It was the original outlook there which we totally ignored and we you know fell short or are we left that -- and besides it. Iraq was more important the policy needs to be. Change in -- I just don't like all the foreign intervention very clear it's like we waited. Even George bush one is left is for election 2000 credit for criticizing Clinton's war you know being the -- of the world.

Nation building at all and.

And is in. And we appear in person who argued that case using wouldn't even know what millions in the -- toward always argued in lot of people he. And them and we just think how Johnson did it to Barry Goldwater and and even our present before. World War I world they always argued we're gonna he got to work keep or -- it really worked so. The negative he's been avoiding the word is very very popular now is that parker. It makes remote I don't think we gain anything.

Two areas where want to challenger congressman let's stay with the one for current events right now Iran is moving it seems to me. On an accelerated pace to a quiet after. The capacity to develop nuclear weapons in in my opinion they a very unstable regime with a stable leadership. They have threatened to wipe Israel off the map they would like to destroy the any influence we have for a as the United States of America what is congressman Ron Paul's position with three got to Iran obtaining a nuclear weapon. And it's explicit threats against Israel.

Why they are all of the courage is that we reward people weapons. Now we have treated North Korea exploded a nuclear weapon all of them were there accommodating negotiating -- them money act as a military -- elected government they have nuclear weapons. There are a lot I would I would patriot -- differently and Pakistan. Army oh great sort of -- attack. Security is wrapped in an Intercontinental ballistic -- I think our policy really rewards people for getting these weapons and thinking about I was in the military in 16 years in the height of the Cold War. At least that's what he calls an album -- healed -- yet. You know into like we have to go to war have -- nuclear confrontation weapons but now we go to war in Iraq. And it in the help them. We go to our bombing Iraq right now because they might want someday the these uses human inspectors did not aren't these. On the -- of weapons but to go to war on the somebody might you know weapon that day and not look at the overall policies actually -- and it is I think successfully.

Congressman but doesn't that policy that you suggest advocated doesn't that leave. Israel to the tender mercies and moods

Ron's leadership none of which is none of which seems to embrace any tolerate the existence of Israel.

I think argued the opposite because we restrain any -- of the conflict over the air Israel was to we have to restrain them don't get involved -- Israel. The most powerful nation of the -- They have nuclear weapons they could wipe your on also think that the -- within an hour. -- and they know it as the Iraqis are going to attack Israel if salt block. And I think -- we're out of there it would be a tremendous incentive for Israel to more. -- races with their neighbors they have even -- the Syrians that we. At a roadblock there the Arab League has offered a reasonable alternatives. Alternative to peace treaty with -- is at least. In Germany views in Israel that wants that local news is Earl actually argued that the a lot of good things come up with without leaving and the local people. Solve these problems Americans would be healed we would be bankrupting our country I think the world would be more peaceful more not more like Apple.

Second point our congressman -- mentioned the to have that the tendency of outlawed nationally it is historically. To say one thing and then do another they talked peace and they plan for and then move to war let's talk about World War II for a moment if we can't world we in -- opinion justified in Indian in the end taking the taking the role that we talk all should we have not been involved in that fight between. The axis powers and in the and the other combatants.

I think I think -- absolutely decide to attack and yes it divorce that. History thing saying where are we just society going after Osama bin Laden. I but yet but should that mean that we should look at foreign policy is studying the motives behind their anger. To hurt her very important but it really study World War II without looking at Woodrow Wilson is really the culprit here. Because he was -- that regulate the NATO. World War I and redesign ability -- offering. The consequences ever since and Hitler I didn't leave for a minute it would've been would have been have been able to power without these are not treaty in that was part of these. It will sodium oh she neo conservatism where where especially in in it in the.

Congressman you made an appearance on bill -- while last Friday and that I watched data and I enjoyed it. My sense of it is -- you made very well have alienated how -- call all right wearing his you know although let's go to war tight you know who really active in the in in the Republican body -- you might have brought some moderate Democrats on boy -- is that out of a conscious. Political strategy that you have because right now I think you'd say Las Vegas would say I would say the odds right now tilted against you. But you made today he made some impressive points to a different audience on the bill Masha.

In -- quickly improve our odds in Las Vegas 201 of the -- into a puppet that they thought nothing going north. Now I don't have I don't.

I know about I I like a president who can also be a bookmaker I'd like pebble in the White House.

I don't have a type this strategy on the one going the only the only player and I have this resentment velocity which I think is. Very very American very very conservative very very constitutional. And very practical. In I think everybody's appealed to ethnic and third ought to he'll resist because I'm very conservative on the most conservative member congress of at least spending and taxes. In going into a her work is hardly conservative vehicle radical idea. Simple idea for. -- that we are -- now claim that conservative as. The very least I think this is safe philosophy that's been around a long time. And it's been chopped up. You know conservatives have little bit of a global level -- moderate have a little bit of it -- putting the concept of -- back together they limited government. Freedom is important the free market. Important in my eyes narrowed is important for there is at least so logical that brings a lot of people together and natural coalition. Is yet I'd seen him in with respect clear -- this kind of all I -- Kosovo with the constitution.

If you congressman you talked about individual freedom and the limitations -- as a strong philosophical and historical foundation to that from which I think we can both quickly agree. The nation has drifted Republican and Democrat. He's the Iranian consistency however when you talk about individual freedom. I noticed that EU on apologetically. Pro life. I happen to be pro life as well as a Democrat appear in Massachusetts it's a lonely -- but pro life as well some encouraged to succeed at but. Zero lots of people out there who would say that is on a philosophical collision course with you reported embrace of individual freedom.

I don't think this period that the state have. -- do with individual liberty has to do with the definition -- as an OB doctor realized have legal responsibilities and ethical responsibilities for hearing. -- like pre war I cannot. They they'll see the difference between a baby one minute before birth and one minute after I killed a baby one minute before rep like it paid a lot of money like. Like no one minute after currently get arrested for murder if something awfully in the consistent yes. Have to define life is being read and all light so 1 GP final slices as -- anti human beings as. Might be in this in Europe with a certain thing protections as the mother. Obviously this. More controversy you'll and that is one reason why don't want to be called several level model. Supreme Court threw remover wait I want the state -- differently at Massachusetts animals is difficult problem. Differently and taxes that's the way to the.

That's the federal -- show absolutely. -- given that history historical and philosophical reference you made a few moments ago and we let me remind the audience -- congressman Ron Paul from Texas. One of the candidates for the Republican presidential nomination he'll be up in new Hampshire at you Republican presidential debate. Which will be held next week he's made some very very compelling points in the debates. And some of the national television appearances in his creating his own buzz with delighted to have a month 6 ADR KO unfit parents forum congressman you made the philosophical and historical references I have to ask you. In the 20 century. Of all the presidents that serve the nation and led the nation is the one that stands out to you. As being most consistent with the -- called doctrines that you cited.

Only if we go back and at the end of the 92 I think -- Berkeley take -- Cleveland and then it's little more epic called. Calls between his country was down you'll for the cause of liberty and the respect for the constitution. Although their where there was that were considered very. Ineffective -- Calvin Coolidge is somebody I'm sure they had tremendous respect for the constitution but once we embarked on intervention is -- overseas which really occurred that the term. Of the 19 countries in the infantry and after after the depression in the -- capitalism -- the gold standard that we embarked on socialism and and welfare and has not many of the president have reversed that -- I think what I'm covering is that -- young people generation it's going to inherit all the death. Waking up right in my strongest support because they're going to be ripped off because they know they're not yet but. Security -- NATO don't want that to fight the wars in they know they're the ones who already suffering from not having. They keep up with the right standard of living that the only people on Wall Street. Places the young people are starting to realize. That the cause of liberty is is there cause comic.

Congressman what was -- sense of let's say that I'll say the Truman Eisenhower Kennedy doctrine of containment and if necessary. Confrontation of the Soviet Union in the aftermath of World War II we've got we opt for a variety reasons we've gone from allies against the axis powers to the two superpowers glaring at each other each of -- sound to the teeth. And Truman Eisenhower and Kennedy all talked about the doctrine of containment. We will confront do you challenge you would fight you if necessary what's your sense of all that wasn't that. Was that not wise policy in in the end did that that proved to be the right policy for the United States.

Well I think he is some degree but that's -- Webb won the Cold War the cold war one because bush was always fails them. The -- that went bankrupt like we Willis where we're not careful that we also talked to people regular with topped with. The Soviet Union but he also negotiate with them within missile reporting Cuba yes we. We thought we confronted and we -- Pain that we did get out of our way but you know what -- think I'm Kennedy took the missiles out of Turkey that -- when they're when they put the missiles next door -- the Soviets why why shouldn't they respond by putting next door. But that's would be -- argue might argue would -- not to put the missiles in the first place that -- want to have a confrontation in Cuba so I would say yes you gotta be strong you've got to confront -- got to contain them if they show aggression that things can't talk to him. And that. Take a policy of a little bit by the confrontation with the on his that. Danger that it is going to explode the hope they debate in Iraq is going to be irrelevant what they start bombing on an oil goes 150 dollars apparel believe -- We're on the -- serious hearing problems. We don't change our overall all of.

A congressman a book that ever recommend that to so many people rep called Charlie Wilson's walk. He was that he had to be -- Texas colleague of the us different prodding of course jolly was a Democrat I believe. You are obviously a a Republican. My recollection of that book the principal theme was Wilson's -- a great way to create a Vietnam forced the Soviet Union after they invaded Afghanistan. Two create a resistance to -- that resistance. Some sort of break the legs if you will of the Soviet Union in its invasion of Afghanistan similar to the way we were paralyzed in decimated in many many ways in in in Vietnam idea unassuming but I'll let let me put it in your own words what you have sense of our role the role that we played behind the scenes in Afghanistan after the Soviet Union invaded.

We're all part it was illegal constitution formidable war in the congress and the people's country ought to know about it I was unnecessary because. The Soviets in the anyway be who's been one of the -- like the asking him 18 there elevated shot helicopters eight illegal finally. Is that war. Besides we -- an ally of Osama bin Laden may and we actually used -- eight YE a radical islam. Two fight the Soviets now radically Islamic fighting it all comes. -- honestly. It's such a -- policy the globe pact is so painful. I would say that was one of -- major. Mistake even -- you might take to take -- pay about we got rid of the Soviet yeah maybe a little -- the Soviets would have. You eventually have to leave. And we went it would have contributed demands that we think today because now though some of them want justice is that we support the and we actually is no we were an ally of Saddam Hussein encouraged him to invade you're wrong. Why shouldn't -- and be Matta first -- we install -- on the 50s gently helped invade them in the 80s and now now we're confronting them you know and -- we have the logical how would we respond is the Soviets Russians the Chinese is that we would be furious that an of the simply if they came -- put their navy in the gulf of Mexico or put troops apparently and we these Peoria. People have him Nazis is they understand why we are -- his eyes the -- Around the world it is not a religious phenomenon that's part of it but that is not the reason why they want them here and -- accurately.

Congressman one last question I know yup pressed for time with a -- with how much time you've given us we're talking once again to congressman Ron Paul he'll be up in new Hampshire at the presidential debate. He's making waves on that side of the presidential campaign and -- to have delighted to have them. You mentioned that the Afghans did not while those the Soviets and therefore the Soviets were about to fail and so on and so forth. But we have an Iraqi government right now that says they do want us via even in the midst of the chaos in the cottage that you've described. So what do you say when the when that -- when they do in the government in place says -- really do why do we really do need you could you please stay give us a fighting chance so that we don't have complete bed bedlam and chaos as our future.

Well I don't think there a you'll Iraqi government I think. We're in charge of the charges government Karzai hello real well it. They would they would go to it -- another factor coming awfully close expressing themselves in Iraq there is a coalition of Shiite right now now with some of them. Who are talking to each other and both. One that's out even harder -- the radicals the Sudanese because -- nationalist but they don't like -- they -- like Iranians and -- So I I think the AM and our government has already admitted that if they ever vote. To get out of there we're currently in which is I think very very healthy because I believe that they felt real honest vote. All the politicians all the people in. In the rock right now they would have to leave right now I don't think that -- has expressed because the artificial.

Well listen with the attack and a congressman -- pollen congressman icon thank you enough for all the time to give as good luck in the debate you've been making news -- waves. Continue to count on you bringing that fabulous philosophy. Long overlooked would love to continue to speak deal we've got a great audience here in Boston Indies in Massachusetts and a lot of good think is -- listen in and to -- a nod their head whenever you whenever you stand up and speak up congressman are you okay sir thanks very very much of that's congressman Ron Paul again he will be participating. Actively in his unique iconoclast that way in the Republican presidential primary debate and this. This guy brings a lot of thought to the table coming up on the forum we are going to have the United States senator Jim Webb the newly elected senator from Virginia. And -- planning law on Finneran storm will be back in a moment on AM 680 WRK.

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