City told to remove religious props

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Not freedom from religion scorer -- She has the screw in major capital letters but weren't -- -- his just artwork when your text yeah that's how hot this guy might be an attorney I'd love to have an attorney and to call and on this. This Texas suggest I don't think the cross will have to come down. After the US Supreme Court affirmed the amount sold that cross in San Diego. If you remember that case I do not remember the case what was found. Our history so says I don't think this Texas as I don't think the cross -- have to come down at the US Supreme Court affirmed the amount sold that cross. In CN BA all that's a huge thing that somebody wanted off the desert it was privately on that believe in May be donated I forget. I don't know why that would be helpful in any era with Tom it's not good morning. Guys don't do -- and thanks. I like that point but as. Opera ball a bit stricter fuel the of course it does collect them but there's no Hancock -- -- real problem. That's number one defense and go into court and they don't want the temperature. Food in the public. I have a question about this social let me just read the text of the First Amendment congress shall make no law. Respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting. The free exercise thereof so it's a two sided thing. And it's about congress not making any laws we interpret that. The fact that this is a directive about congress making laws congress has made no laws this is about things happening in the town as the town impacted. By -- and this seems to me to the people exercising their rights in terms of the exercises their religion imposed on private property would be absolutely 100%. Accurate in my opinion case -- -- a difference it's -- public on public property -- -- interpreted by the Kabul and this is an expression. The public authority I need that state -- congress shall -- -- that the state constitution to say the same but they sent -- the court effectively making itself that it -- -- making a law that violates the -- -- that if they -- today. We. Didn't go all the content. -- bomb screening among the federal government. And retain gates you know -- -- the establishment clout and it. Just what you guys look. Like that are serving and -- not -- about it. Couldn't no picnic. Area that state religion. I mean it could pick that -- -- -- court. You know but I'm the only people on here is that I. How I cannot let that I can't let -- -- statements the -- I don't think so if if the if the message if the Massachusetts the diplomats to choose its. Wanted to amend our constitution and -- catholicism christianity is our official state religion that's a fundamental violation of an American's. Constitutional right I'm not only is citizen Massachusetts. I'm a citizen of America if I'm Jewish and living in the Massachusetts and they say our official religion here is. Is catholicism. -- commodity can you just can't you cannot do that why you violated by Americans. Might like but don't -- it was Friday's First Amendment. The First Amendment says. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion and -- congress will not make a national religion and and the second part of that phrases analogue or prohibiting the free -- so the most protected part of this is the free exercise. Of religion the right of an individual. To exercise their religion doesn't say that can't be something you -- like. Somewhere in the world your -- might say right it just says you can't be stopped from exercising your religion and it and it in and as a parallel probation and I can't impose that religion on somebody else it just -- that but that's what. What do mean just where it says that congress shall make no respecting. And establishment of it and I'd be okay camp started national church okay and that's part one protection of -- we yet and park to protection is. Or prohibiting the free exercise there are so in terms of individual practice of religion that dominant point the tigers were making -- You can't mess around with -- individual expression of religion have -- it seems to me if a -- wanna put a monument the front yard. That that's them exercising their and its benefits stay on property. Arsenide. I don't think so I don't I mean -- gone back -- my current -- based -- -- interpretation -- -- not radicals in the court what's -- are determined to -- the constitution -- not get some well it -- at least because I am not a big -- -- Thomas Jefferson in this whole thing. About absolute prohibitions of church state and everything comes from jobs -- something you're allowed -- not exactly not -- standing by the right notwithstanding that Jefferson himself makes reference to the divine in Providence and every kind of reference you can -- to the supreme being who was thwarted -- construct an ideological -- -- -- -- amazing -- concern when they wrote -- -- was that they're not the a government partnership with any relief in us all of that up. There could not be the free it was subsidiary to the notion that you had -- the free exercise of religion and what have we done with that. We have interpreted into nobody can practice their religion publicly and a couple of people asking this incredible question and it's a good one and you've seen -- when you go to a cemetery at the Patrick with the military cemeteries. What about Arlington national cemetery with a crosses the star now generally -- all heroes things. Do you support the removal of all religious symbols from Arlington national cemetery Paula good morning you're in Arcadia. It -- what's up. There's two things virtually what they're. Okay Tom Carlo let me add to OK okay we're art Jabber and for. Okay where our our rights become part of our -- so it's -- that there. Q do that the constitution itself to come out -- because we have no rights. Because a couple of them are. I'm not sure what you're saying that are -- that if you that they each got out of the formula you lose the premise upon which our society's built. All other orbit -- -- MacArthur but at the. And in today's demo up there the more frequently referred to as you -- and natural right -- natural born -- -- -- -- make -- make reference to relieve anymore that these of the you know -- that -- -- -- take away the national free exercise of religion. Steve and acts on our scale -- Like I don't know what happened that award heart projections. And that that the name given of people who are so anti religious and against our religion and everything. And I think it's technically -- it really establish a religion. Just about a farce on on public land. I mean I don't think that's establishing a religion. I had ICI I agree with you Steve because you are practical and I try to be practical as well but again any argument is that this is almost a tyranny of the mind and -- in. An old oppression we if you don't feel. If you don't conform to whatever kind of the impulse is the -- to the -- the blessing you know -- father. And -- you know it's like and also and we shouldn't do the pledge allegiance and and things that I really quick these people compliment you re used to if you got -- -- these. If you weren't a gun fight with somebody and you shot the guy once he went down would you be satisfied or really go over put a couple of extra bulletin hot hot. -- this is this what the radical I don't think they've. Basically obliterated the public expression of religion they've made it into a dirty word but there's one little fire house. In Woonsocket that has across on the Friday or they have to go -- -- they wanna make sure their enemy is dead David you're on RK a good morning. The other a good book came out back in the early eighteen hundreds Colby delusions of grandeur and the madness of crowds. And handle it it talks about this idea of force times. Can you imagine -- came to be at times a week we gotta remember that America was founded after 700. Years of dark ages. Where the inquisition was burning you whether you believe there were angels dancing on the heads of the pin. And the kings were sent them in there there troops to. Decide whether or not you should grow a beard or not grow beard. This delusions of grandeur and the madness a crowd had forced tie it. It had aren't provable budgets and that's when you look at just another day Charles colts and died right. Charles Colson created humans religious. For a based upon the idea that he wouldn't have to testify. Because he was a religious man and he created his own church. In order to say that he was a religious man and anything -- diverse and was sent under priest. Confessional. And so that he couldn't. He he couldn't testify in a courtroom. Based upon his religious status this is the kind of -- church kind of joked then that steals nation's steel slides and first. For Boston to be sitting here talking about whether or not to sneak here and the idea of forced time it's on and. Are you wrote what I think in terms of -- ties that it's forced ties David to make an irrefutable point but what about this cross. On the hill do you think that crosses a constitutional. Line and that removal is is is called for a. Well when you go through seven if you ask anybody after 700. Years of of evil crosses coming in there and slider and everybody and sound. -- slaves of them you know talking in my. And and you're gonna tell me that that and we're we should -- sneak them -- again. This whole idea that the that. A secret society. RT might you might be one of the guys that do that field kind of a sense of tyranny of the mind -- repression. I -- -- -- -- you know B and offered at the high school graduation. Absolutely don't -- force thought it's it's the idea and -- the show us about the constitution. So well he has to take it to -- -- of the local level we all just pays taxes the other day we want our taxes to go into common budget. That we can all believe exactly that we can have accountants look -- stopped and decide whether or not you can prove solemn. Is this year the apocalypse should we budget for the 2012 apocalypse. Should we budget that that Muslims are bad and it all Christians are good -- we budget that way no but we don't. You know we go we're more like Muslims and every time you turn around you've got the GOP swearing that we're fighting Muslims where the good Christians. Hello there aren't Hollywood dozens and dozens of democratic senators who would I joined a resolution to say let's get Iraq let's get Afghanistan because those Muslims did certain things to us -- -- as I. I think David you make it a pretty interesting historical argument for us tides and everything that I think you idiot you several bridges to five down the road and as well. Only -- the hot hot hot hot hot hot David it was a delightful call thank you -- -- 617 whose expense sixty day attack -- you wanna break. We'll take more of your calls coming up -- it's not WRKO. Thomas -- W arcade group in while a national group called the freedom from religion foundation. Is trying to get across removed that's part of a monument to war or war veterans that's been in front of Woonsocket part of armor for 91 years now -- on -- notice did you bring as we read this story than not targeting about removal of the war memorial the listing of the -- yes it's it's a crush exercise of religion guaranteed by the constitution that they find so -- Very interesting movement tiger on with Tom it's not good morning. A quick aside -- Santorum -- formally endorse Romney because he suspended his campaign he's still raising money to try to figure out that. A -- to get to the matter act like David -- just label on every single citation -- -- to Kennedy that was all on Christian behavior. In the name of christianity -- need to do a better job apologetic. Well what do you mean what -- I failed to do. Well you you took everything that -- -- that was true to our good motto the acquisition they kill. In the low thousands of people a terrible thing over the course of several hundred years in the Middle Ages. Atheistic communism kill almost a hundred million people. Obama wasn't David making the point that that's what they're trying to stop by getting rid of religion. Correct and you fell into the trap because atheism is itself -- -- religion mixed truth claims about. Think that we can't know it material things in the universe but wait not my favorite atheist in the world. You you're fantastic you're not -- an atheist by the way because you're an honest I. What's going on it's -- I believe that there is something outside of the universe the created the universe and I think that is representation. What came to doubt that years ago that my -- question David -- quaint been well this universe came from nothing. That's quite a trek. And I guess we'll find out when we die who is right it just wager is that well I'd bet that not think there aren't so if you wait and you -- not think. If you foolish to get -- really bad. I like the points you raised about some of the the atheistic dynasties and what the Iowa what you know what did death count is compared to the the the allegations made against the acquisition I'll try to do a better job on has as -- count like. Stand them up but. I thought we did OK with David dip particularly when I was attacking what yeah when we don't use me to protect you how hot. -- that we did OK with the exchange with David when we got back to the cry it's okay David forced ties well -- -- -- -- that is tell us that process president -- of the monetization that's. -- Thank you guys for taking my closet or not I don't particularly offensive. I -- out I am a little bit back. Background on the mark oddly -- issue. A direct parallel to that situation and originally it was on national. -- -- It was directed by a World War I veterans honor their brother and lost -- war I'm. The guy hey yeah that national congress allowed for the alliance to be treachery salt shall try to veterans organization. Are betting that but the -- good not the the acute continue to push all the record saying that they get an accurate it's kind of subvert. The job of -- The due process. I'm. Shot which somewhat -- all the -- Supreme Court allowed the crops to stand. That some radical group came to cut it down and vandalized it out here right now they've never replaced it yet so I find it. But interesting now I'd just this charity tried to -- -- assert that possibly the cropped it. It not necessarily a religious symbol but could be a secular symbol at all as well. And and I think that could be an ankle the and I mean if you look at the upstate lag -- -- -- look at the moon and the order is better here that it is a lot of people. I unilaterally kick their there's two others. I ask if you're saying argument restaurants it's a great argument I hear but -- -- you know identified himself as a veteran early on it and Andy's crosses that he mentioned out in the body. We're -- the tribute to they have their fallen Brothers from World War I. Curious though if if you and I were really dove out let's say orthodox Jews. Served in World War I served in world war two and now a unit up platoon decided in memory of our fallen comrades were gonna put up cries. As Jews that's not us we were met I would political I would think you're if you're -- you're offended on virtually every solution that has arrived at other than. How are your thing -- solution yeah now and that's that is that the kind of the nature of the beast. Steve good morning your RKO. Yes it. I good morning to monitor the. And I guess I'm like I got an interesting fact here. They're the up First Amendment and the establishment cause talked about you know most established religion congress shall make no laws. Well you know that -- thirteen original states that had officially. State supported. Religions in. And six of them would not sign the constitution. If there and one of them happens to be Massachusetts Connecticut Georgia Maryland at the Jews and New Hampshire. And South Carolina -- An official religion or a Massachusetts until sometime in the eighteen hundreds and so I was said that they were leveraging a change in the language. Yeah or otherwise and so they've got that -- bit -- you know it -- be you know there's a separation of church and state public all of -- gone into the whole bit. This Wallace separation thing that was send out a letter. What dumb. From Thomas Jefferson and that an -- in his words he was stock popping the words that the as a correspondent but yet what the Danbury. Baptist convention. In -- solved that. And then and that time he realized that that that you know -- -- that quality you know when when surgical strength but. That the whole thing a bit and the other thing is that -- -- -- -- while he was present any other Marine Corps band playing at his church. I will keep this conversation only got a break for news but we talk more about 617 reference to send us into some serious seriously out -- perfect is that perfect -- How perfect is it is a perfectly perfect. -- Perfect. -- a talk show brought to my network capital funding corporation in your future. Finance. So we're talking about when soccer Rhode Island a little dispute their because outside group has come in and pushing for the removal. Of a cross that's part of a ninety year old monument a war dead at memorial. Because it has across on that they want their cross removed. And it's from an organization called the freedom from religion. Now that phrases designed to make it sound like there's a constitutional premise underlying it but freedom from religion is not one of the constitutional guarantees. It's it's interest and we talked earlier about the president trying to confuse kids in speeches he's giving this week. And making them feel like handouts are part of the constitutional premise is in congress shall make no law. A freedom from religion we have free from congress imposed and a religion upon us. Yes exactly Coca all right I just want us out a monument in Woonsocket would be congress. Infringing. Or forcing upon us -- religion. It's the idea is to make sure no one religion gets the upper hand with the government's help okay they don't want partnerships that was another. He's only one recession but no religion at all live view as an American citizen prefer to be. You religious on non religious. It doesn't say yeah but that would be a logical extension I guess that's got to -- exist this is this is fascinating on on on every level Todd. It. The is that the public press so he has won and he may be you can go quickly online what is that statement to the phrase that is chiseled on to the US Supreme Court. Court. Building has a reference to. There's some type of religion about the First Amendment it's a bit it's no I can't remember about it is this some kind of reference to -- and I noted god. -- on the literally on the freeze on the entrance going into the US Supreme Court and of course we have the Alabama case couple years ago -- the ten commandments -- just like the stone and and. -- they were ordered removed that's right there so that right right -- congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion that phrase was motivated to. By concerns over the federal government getting involved with religion and using it to enhance their own power and it was designed to make sure war. That the individual states that had religion already as as a state religion. Wouldn't be messed with by the federal government and its currency the legal -- of holding up -- -- -- those I didn't know they may 2000 dollar -- half -- photos yeah I got a couple from -- -- in god we trust -- -- -- get some coffee. In god we trust for -- right -- on the back of the second part of course is prohibiting the free exercise of religion there can be no -- made that would prohibit the free exercise of religion. Somehow we turn this around on its head. And now it's coming from the other direction and emotion you showed you would think it says there shall be no free exercise of religion he is one of the many fascinating test on this as well thought of the Texan has suggested as Tony you'll -- credit. Yup let's go against the Muslims in this -- and see how that works out. How would the political left respond if in fact. You know somebody said hey you've got to take down that particular assembled that offends us darn good morning you're on with Thomas Todd. And going on either -- heading in the right direction on -- and -- the the first thing I want to mention is. You're right on -- every. They had used it was -- toward religion prior to this. Every country was based the government every lead to a one in the same religion was in fact used to further the goals of the state. And that's the principle that they are trying to stop they just come off. The situation in England with the puritans -- never prosecuted. -- that you religion is persecuted. It's been persecuted in Mexico it's been persecuted in Ireland. And in England also he has bad. When a man brought up the inquisition. The acquisition was. More of -- political -- you have to realize that. -- re conquest of Spain had just taken place they just taking a grown -- -- back and yeah it's a good. Too much detail for us give us the larger. Principles. Well my -- principal is this is not happening in a vacuum this is all trying to if you are truly he has. Why would you won't be offended by anything. Because you don't believe how can something I don't believe in offends me. The real goal here is to destroy the religious base of the country that's the first thing have to do to install. Socialists Communists and type thing. Okay thank you for that time you know I the first part I definitely -- the second part I assume is the case but I don't know if they're that clever that they have a conspiracy. At the beginning I think these things may have just merged together nicely. The atheist would argue that the use of tax money or public property or any other thing that is properly in the public grow. For an expression of religion is in fact -- a constitutional front of them not just a psychological affront to constitute but I think that's a little paranoid now they spend money on all kinds of silly stuff. You know it did there's nothing that's it for me an -- more one than the other. That the people get together in a town they decide they're gonna spend money to build a monument. And they put crosses on -- monuments that's how it goes what's the big deal. And by the way I I happen to share that belief that the cross has become a secular symbol as well as a religious point out. -- -- -- referenced Justice Kennedy is kind of winging along those lines would be human beings communicated terms assembles whenever you see somebody you see. In a casket or you see a monument or memorial -- headstone. There's always processor so those things become merged. And you look at those where those those fields we have in -- France that was almost graveyards. With all across is it's a very compelling thing and I think it hits us on a symbolic intuitive level. That goes well beyond any religion. Bruce good morning -- on atomic Todd. -- unless India thank you Bruce thanks. I wanted to mention -- a couple of times you brought up of the fact that you can't have. Schools bring and greet her or. Think that. And while I agree -- that I think at some reasonable thing it's become incremental and now you can't have the students. Say a prayer. Of their own volition -- I'm not sponsored by the school -- That's how they do it they incrementally grabbed little by little and so all of a sudden has not been. -- step at a time the all the old phrase was you increase the water temperature by a degree at a time and produce and use it -- boiling water you haven't even noticed that but what's interesting is that represents a 180 curious from the -- so those who want to obliterate. The free expression of religion are supposedly pursuing free expression. They wanna make sure enough things interfere with free expression or one of the things people care most about expressing freely is that religious. Nobody to my knowledge has ever challenged. What symbols we put on outside our church what investments we win inside that church it is church property. If in fact however we wanted to take -- law. You know the Boston Common full radio on Sunday services. Yeah that would be we. Appropriated. Public property fought our religious preference I don't as. Long as it lines up with the use of the properties so the price if if the properties available for people have -- and one of the most protected things you could do there would be religion. Because religion is one of the most protected of almost sure it sure -- a -- by war right would they stop you if the purpose of it I know I could go get a permit. And have a Tea Party celebration next week strike okay so obviously. Before I could do that you would have the right ever religious ceremony. No no no the most out exactly where where it got my right to have a master. On Boston Common would -- -- right to have a demonstration for the -- know what would -- area right amount equal they were being equal because they're both protected and the First Amendment -- never even in the same clots. And -- and I think for -- -- the most -- however -- -- -- religion for -- most relieved that -- -- they did most most religions have to have chosen to -- private property this system properties -- -- go -- -- on -- missile tests are making which is that somehow you're violating people's rights if you use your property -- shared property -- for something that's protected under the constitution they have convoluted this -- language because nobody reads it and because they -- the -- full of radical judges -- go along with this garbage so they've now turned the First Amendment. In some hot part of First Amendment or whatever it's totally not what it was written about. It's astounding -- good morning your RKO. Hey good morning guys about ten but then you know you I. First the bar you know I'm prominent market this to Denver in right yet. -- -- -- -- she's on one to three W via our bank think again think about I -- right you know I I thought it got it right and I site. And we heard of -- back. From a pocket but I am. A quick facts and then crying little count this that the textile town with no out. Nobody can complain about that and what's driving up I -- you know my my entire life. And outside -- and I -- to and there was something going on public and somebody complained. And very eerie and might have an argument I completely agree with you I mean anything can convoluted. There is a great course to remove god from all aspects of society but the fact. Content from the outside and people don't live there don't know how people feel about this so what -- -- Arab people want it or not. It's not that probably shouldn't perhaps it. It's irrelevant -- you need not because you don't know what it's like to live with -- what got me to the people that have lived that for decades you know. Now it's a very interest -- significantly a local decision you know. And and I don't know receiving an -- from the outside and I love that you brought that up. Yet and I didn't. I'm on the I am going to be talking about the actually my property that's state -- district -- equipment well -- I he's going to be joining me inside his appetite and I don't I'm Jared and -- know what they're gonna do about. It will be pretty will be two and an engine just don't tell your brother you better have the -- that have the time and by the crowd don't and you don't have to apologize -- feel defensive about coming from -- it's such a pretty name well I'll let it adopt -- got a job it's. -- able to get them to an indigent and anyone that's very WRKO. And look who's here in the studio it is the -- and only it is you know right from the financial exchange. Hey -- in the papers these days -- stayed up real estate down every confused picture a hot and vacancies down. 5% -- a number right he Peter around is it good to have the by rental property were in my kind of smoke -- yeah. --