Garrett Quinn - Would Tim Cahill Have Been Indicted if Charlie Baker was Governor?
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The Garrett Quinn Radio Circus is back and we have another local politician who has been indicted. Garrett Quinn and Mike Deehan discuss Tim Cahill and his trouble with Martha Cookley. Coakley alleged Cahill’s campaign staff coordinated with him to run a Lottery ad campaign that would enhance his chances as an independent candidate for governor. Garrett was at the court hearing and can't help but wonder if Charlie Baker was the governor, would Tim Cahill still be in trouble?
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I I do I do -- -- shift gears to some more pressing and also the disturbed -- disturbing but not as to zero we can go and not as disturbing as dock pay out man killing and eating his life. Odd team cables indicted this week -- kind of an awkward transition there -- mechanical -- murder to a former treasured and indicted yes. Tim -- the first the first. The first statewide officeholder. Our current or former to be indicted since 1950 to governor through. Since 1950 yeah that was that the I believe was since 1950 what the on constitutional officer constitutional officer the first one since at least 1950. To be indicted who was that. As governor who is hold on I have in front. There are looking up and everybody was sort of frantic week everyone was frantically searching for -- guy that was indicted in 1950 it was so -- -- security had electricity back and there were pretty present one was alive -- it was a outline. 6172666868. We're talking about team to a million indicted this week. I wanna hear from you guys do you think he was unfairly the have been unfairly targeted in this probe. There's been a lot of commentary. A lot of people -- in the commentary that seem. Sound in locally anyways -- saying that Cahill was unfair is being unfairly targeted that this is standard this is a standard thing that people do. That they called solutions do they put their names on things they promote themselves using taxpayer dollars but they do it's subtly some people not so subtly. Whether it's appearing in commercials putting their names on I've got a governor's race that this was courted and there's a lot of evidence to suggests. That he kind of sloppy in the way he's had a particular its Japanese some of those text messages. -- defense is that. Since the national -- association which was in the kind of national. Organization targeting. Gubernatorial races in 2010. Actually by a Mississippi governor Haley Barbour at the time. Because that was. Attacking his record can't record on water in managing the water key is defense is that he was using that money to defend. The lottery itself and the management of it so that is his explanation for the ad -- Whether or not there was collusion and their work campaign officials. Saying that there we are going to use this money as April campaign think. -- is face. In voice or anything you do not appear on this and if any. Voter can equate. The lottery the massive state lottery and then think oh the treasurer runs that -- -- -- vote for the treasurer for governor that's kind of a stretch. So it but that only proves that it's a very poor campaign tactic. Not that it was -- in on that it was not illegal and I think that's what Martha Coakley trying to prove there was you cooperation or collusion between. The the treasurer's office -- campaign for governor in the that's what led to to these -- -- in the -- we see we'll see what comes. And they set a court date for -- for late for for -- for September. Painful at the trials -- constitute amber and there's also the producer Richard pretrial things -- I was in the courtroom on its this week and it was sort of a strange scene to watch. Com. It is seen KOK many looked very stoic very serious. Yeah he's fit -- members with a much I thought was really interesting is his family's really come to his defense. On Twitter they've come to his defense all over the place and there was just nobody with him to sort of stand by his side when he was indicted on and his lawyers and is. On his emphasis OC is campaign -- in -- treasurer associates. But I -- it was it was it was -- that was -- it is the treasurer indictment DM me ask is do you think -- treasure the indictment of a treasure is higher than the indictment of the speaker of the house. Are -- the same or is this a good -- constitutional officer -- a legislature or Missouri. The treasury is nowhere near as powerful speaker yeah and where where does this rank acts it. It. Is that the faith of just the -- masters it's mean -- you know he won statewide election so that puts him in -- spot as a public official in a certain way that the speaker of the senate president. Are not as legislative leaders. But you know when it gets down to brass -- and who is more powerful political figure who wields more influence of course a speaker of the house. Or senate president. Is there right up there with the governor. So I would say that because he'd -- when it was a two -- treasurer and he did. Unsuccessfully run for governor and is a very well known public official display. It is significant that he is indicted and then like you said this is the first indictment of a constitutional officer in the -- -- so yeah fifties. It's a big deal you know we've had quite a few speakers. We have taken down and then and -- mean you know sixty years but. This is still pretty Vick this is still a big deal we'll see kind of power roller. 6172666868617266. 6868. What's going off there and Chestnut Hill off the -- next to care Quinn might -- and -- succeed WRKO. Well our -- is victimized are people want them the ability and authority. That must have been a grand jury investigation from. Suited there was an the evidenced that to a break him better drink your you know hopefully if we can send them messages. And -- always so waste the taxpayers though because are the taxpayer and I like to see my rights of my body -- So are you so what do but what you think of the other ads that other Paul elected officials use attorney -- the secretary of state. The various other -- stiffness statewide and local fish is use their name likeness and public public. The public up proclamations public buildings public advertising. Well particularly for reelection but should be barred from doing. And at other times. I imagine it's okay but you know I've been his favorite with with Terry governments quickly got that they don't have enough money -- this -- a waste of money. Yeah -- -- Bob are you. What did you think you -- you -- many -- 2010 author. I do. And I was more on the you know what I didn't like defective. Of all you have to do today is to set an independent run for office you know not really yet. It run without really having a legitimate part of people's sentiment the better because you don't know what I -- the ball well because you don't wanna say. Whether the democratic republic but the fact there's there's only the third party. Now now. All right got oh thank you got things are caught that thanks for call. I he does bring a point to -- brings a good point about. The the -- the independent thing AK Gil. Details are sort of more struck -- Morrissey an old school Democrat then time. The orchard at traditional Democrat older is there an illegal has room to -- to Deval Patrick right yes -- absolutely -- there's definitely there's definitely -- that -- Tom Finneran who works there was the speaker of the house for a long time. And he was fit that mold you know Stephen Lynch and certainly yeah yeah Scott ground Democrats -- most. The Republican governors before -- and -- if I mean if you put Charlie Baker and to scale down on Paper there wasn't a a ton of difference between them. Patrick you know has. Some progressive -- sides -- there but -- -- the I think that's that's what Cahill was thinking yeah he wanted to be more in the bill -- fumbled you know and -- jump in the Charles river -- and -- and I -- 2002 -- Romney comes to mind so. In necessarily the the amber colored liquids in the that it shirts. A -- fiscally. Conservative socially socially liberal -- wariness is as Massachusetts Republican I don't buy it for -- gaffe let's go to -- Framingham out of Europe next Jericho MIT and I am succeed America. -- Kindle -- in the we can't get it there -- doctor Patrick OT hill huge debt Governor Patrick. -- governor because she -- particular suicide stubborn and gubernatorial and you know you're from here. The question is what Angel she still really into. -- -- conspiracy here. The risk so crime that is ridiculous cleaners in order is sort of hear me out there reopened their tank. Why tequila at those two BitTorrent and -- just came out as something bigger on -- -- -- -- it's something. Tired but it but I think it's payback for him were -- and her. Patrick. -- are at a -- it lightly payback mean wouldn't. I told roll backward I don't I just know I don't know a huge for. -- and. I don't buy that Adam I don't feel couple's two years yes he said Gail could win I I posted this -- I I I wrote this in my blog earlier this week at boston.com that about. About how the argument they -- was this great spoiler. Didn't pass the smell test in 2010. And doesn't pass the smell test again in 2012 if you look at the data that was available. I I I don't by the -- either that this is payback. There's there's a lot of different types of payback that of type types of methods of not getting people back for doing whatever in the column also for political reasons rather that's demoted their office. Kicking them off a commission -- taking away their committee spot. Did not have -- -- but indicting him for something like this I just don't I don't see it and that that takes the level of of of that takes the type of it. That takes the type of payback to a. All different this guy's face in five years in prison for this this. Year. It is in its potential he's facing several several charges. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Am I hate to cut off we get to a quick break this is a but I do want it to get to -- get back after the break is about -- about how. -- Tim -- really I don't think he did spoil this race I know a lot of people believe that there's this big conspiracy to indict him as -- taken serious conspiracy to. Sits it sits to take out Charlie Baker -- reelect Governor Patrick and I I just don't see it. I you can join the conversation to have you -- we get back 6172666068. He also Texas -- 68680. My name's Derek went. -- jump for joy ride. 6172666868. My name is -- Quinn he's might the end. So enjoy -- behind the glass that was -- with -- Quinn the -- they played them once at times it's a great. It's a great team and their plans to play in the Worcester centrum priest and an earlier show come up in EC. I hope to get to a couple of my -- finished -- it was then. Six on 72666868. You know also text us 66 the we're talking right now both the K -- indictment and now we did look up by the way confirm that the governor that was indicted was furcal. But it was. But ten years after that I she's more than ten years as a part. Twelve years after that office. And don't forget the exact if it was but it was still use a former state wide official he was indicted offer bride being the governor the governor's council. We have the original wrong. You're right up. From the EP former Massachusetts -- democratic governor Foster furcal of Massachusetts and I yes there a charge of conspiring to -- -- -- The 53 year old lawyer who was governor from 19561960. Was accused of conspiring with former members. Of the governor's council in -- -- for years there in ninety governor's council in 1960 to arrange payment of bribes to gain reappointment of -- any -- tally. As state commissioner of public works. We didn't. What would that peak of -- today. The commissioner commissioner of public -- entities that guy. -- And I can't think of you commissioner of public works as. Before counselors also or indicted by special grand jury which returned more than a 150 indictments. Against forty persons most of them president are for perceived officials. And ten corporations during the eight and one half months he was in session. One of the forty indicted as banquet and this one -- -- act. Correctly credit that to the Associated Press yes we sent associate press place that goes from the what are you PI yeah now so what's given us now. Read the other headlines that's on the page there from the same issue red sprays. Kirch gets -- now the words final water one of those old called water tide rising Nixon said actually I president addresses you know hundreds of Leo -- from 1964 batter of the great Goldwater run for president our style friendly to the net. Six on seven liberty and that was liberty for the defense of liberty is no vice. Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice and moderation in the pursuit of wait no moderation in Africa and as well by Yee -- bang bang you. Firing today got off -- that he got off its fighter jet and flew a mission accomplished. Six on 72666860. Austin, Texas and sixties create. Do you guys think Tim Cahill was up unfairly indicted he's getting and this is that -- Is the yeah. And he's been sort of scapegoated here so I guess some -- you think. This entails a spoiler in the governor's race I do not buy that line of thinking I think polls back that up as well as your votes back that up as well as polling data shows that Tim Cahill was not a spoiler in the race. You could certainly the case that he changed the dynamic of the race but I don't think you can make the case -- a spoiler. Given all the data that's available. And I definitely and I don't think this is payback for Billy how the democratic. At a park gets does that makes this study archaeology you see the bills that Tim Cahill is being the -- be persecuted for helping. To vault he's being persecuted for leading Democratic Party. But he also help Governor Patrick a Democrat reelected by spoil the raiser Charlie Baker but does it make any sense. 61726666. City Council Texas 668. Let's go to Paula -- even patiently waiting thanks Paul. They're gonna have to. Double. All have to disagree with you right through -- in case -- -- being punished for going against the party. Oh -- -- salacious -- that aren't quite sure he probably just respected his party. You know and that -- he needs to be made today. An example by disciplining him publicly if Robert wannabe -- if you want the rates as it will never vote EP. Punter that's prosecution now. Or to have to say double Eagles governor there. Were so weepy. Press charges against him now. It was Bill Campbell would be attorney general Knox case and she still retention facility attorney general -- Ticket question I I don't know why -- -- It's. Hard to predict. Don't you think that every day under that thinking though the new clinical democratic establishment wouldn't they still have little form whether he was governor yeah he knocked off their guy. But he's still he's still -- in and out of power being well I do cables political career. -- well -- did you ever. Atom processor it publicly smearing his -- Everywhere. And it just like. Sitting out. I suppose so delegate it gets it scratches at the surface of the larger argument. Then it of this you know culture of corruption and and where do you start when you start prost in people under this relatively new ethics laws. Yeah those -- in Milan a couple of years ago. And Tim Cahill in the Michael was -- humans and Tim Cahill was in violation of that ethics laws and therefore should be prosecutor for. That leaves politics aside. On the -- on the legal side of it yeah. -- I. It and again I think I think K hill I think you will know argue this and thanks for the call Paul there's no arguing -- -- Kate's the career is over and and the moment that he lost that race. And I I always have at a little before you but I -- while I I always think that Kate -- by the way Brian did you read Brian agrees on the -- no. Primary and glory days just is just brutal. Decency -- message -- the -- should run to contain your run for one more all term. And then. Retired to it's working -- like a bonds desk in and a high profile. High profile. Investment firm -- and never never -- become governor. It's pretty tough I you know I I don't. I never bought into this argument that -- -- spoiler and I I think I and I posts on my blog buses Marc boston.com a popular that the data backs up. The that the polling data from right before the election showed that voters of the K -- voters were pretty evenly split I think was -- slight edge to Patrick. When it came to who they were going to vote for. And again let's TV take the numbers -- caught. Let's still assume that he gets. You're not gonna get all those votes but for the benefit of the doubt we'll see he gets 7% of Patrick soon. That's still not enough to put him over the top over basic is Patrick would still win by about half a percent at. I think it was down to winning by point four -- what he would have ended up winning by point four I think was that the total breakdown it was 48 point as an actor Gordon got whatever left over was there are original signer whoever I just. You're you're getting into such a close -- there that yeah if that if the dynamics of the race had been different -- things can respond differently. And you can make a case to that -- he'll be in the race changes everything and there's no argue there's no doubting that he that it does that does that dead. Because it is I think the -- the Republicans analyze spent a lot of time focusing on Tim Cahill. More than they did on the governor and I think a lot of that came from their experiences. In the new Jersey's -- New Jersey gubernatorial race a year earlier. With Corzine and Chris Christie in the third party guided the independent that excuse my name is -- really I wasn't pulling its highs Cahill was details in the twenties at one point. But that the independent that race was thinking around 212 I think you peeked out. Speaking an appointment -- 56%. Understand why I asking a -- when he was run for governor -- why did you consider running for congress I think you know in the tenth district. That open space open seat there is accuse -- -- I clearly casino doing well matters I still don't understand why he -- that our wait another year. Wait another year and treacherous right I know he was Bernie was unhappy with the Democratic Party I know that but I still don't understand why. Why he ran for governor that year I really I'll never understand. I don't I don't he's leaving the whole gubernatorial. Aspect in the of the revenge and conspiracy theories aside for a second and -- you think that you know attention needs to be paid over. This act using. You know if you are officeholder. Is it okay or not okay to use Europe own offices funds now to advertise the service of your office that just happens to -- during a campaigns is -- that's the question. The attorney general has alleged. That I use public resources joining campaign and I did not. My job this treasure ways to maximize revenue for the lottery. Which we did what I did and that was my job and I've performed that duty -- -- -- without a campaign. I don't know how that arguments -- the the argument he has fully up to that that that he was defending the honor the idea of state lottery that the -- it's -- attacks were attacking a I don't know -- to hold open court. Especially with all the data the -- all all the all the texts that emails. I have no idea. Yeah I have no idea there I really don't know how that's gonna hold -- I know it I know some lawyer I -- some lawyers have suggested that the thrown out because it's the it'll be hard to indict him for this. Because it's such a caucus -- for what he gators somewhat. He's even the cats he's not even featured in the is that these names not and that his pictures and in the so it's sort of it's not like the -- see with they weren't. Blatant campaign ads they were defending the lotteries well managed to hit five he has a -- -- I don't think right now although. I don't think there's any open YouTube but I know I went who have joined Google -- around and YouTube the other day for us. Searching around and YouTube and I did find. The YouTube the official -- state lottery for Massachusetts almost all the videos are. Numbers drop. No no -- drive. It's actual of it's actual the actual ball Spain are out there very important archives at filter -- epic love you about -- think I saw like why would you go back and watch the -- the daily numbers Ryan from August of 2010. But but but they're 2011. -- 6172666868. Do you think team -- hell was a spoiler in the 2010 race and uses indictment. Is this indictment -- it's going on right now as the charges that are being brought up against him. Are they payback for his spurning endemic score leaving the democratic party for. Not only in the door him on the way out with the Democrats. -- if you I don't think it is I don't buy either argument that he was a spoiler or that this is political payback I just don't apply it. I think he needs to make this up -- and in some case it. I think even make some case that job. -- -- was at at one point and I wrote this at one point in the race -- looked like a legitimate contender I know others suggested that it looked like it was a race. A bill building up between Tim thought Tim Cahill and Charlie Baker not the governor are there with the governor's race. The head of -- February 2010 there was a Suffolk polls suggesting the race was tight between -- baker and the governor -- yet and and then the governor turnaround and almost cracked fifty holes. Polls. Don't talk about all sorts of polls. 61 it was signers. Six on 766. 6860. -- Texas at 66 EIR I I do wanna get to the one other point to his. Baker had and is three detected this into from us six on seven Texas and both at. -- hill -- K hill -- kill baker had his own poll that showed that the split would have been 5050 his own data. Showed us and I eat it it is funny that how this race disagree this this indictment has brought some old ruins of province small charges. Panel discussions but. Dean you've seen a lot of indictments key and you see a lot -- -- easy a lot of you Seles of the -- of probation with or god used district attorney Ortiz nicely with Coakley. Any difference in the way they've presented the present in Davis's -- what what's -- to the differences are between -- -- that we between. Attorney General Martha Coakley -- used attorney Ortiz. It's it's tough to say -- political standpoint if you're talking about their political futures or political ambitions that means also is always an analyst talk about. Martha Coakley is political comeback and the that potential run of current -- -- in the future yeah I would say obviously in my book has more experience more policy in the run -- what you can't talk about these an ongoing investigations that much are out to be different to what the once. The one thing to it at one point auto Coakley is cochlear as we told Kyle -- that she's. That she's gonna run for reelection is EG as of yeah right now she and and and the -- close the don't know what that maybe think of immediately we're never gonna see the brown Coakley 2014 rematch. But she didn't close the door she said she's concentrating reelection for that office right now via. Let's go to Andrea before got to go to break Andrea can Europe next -- -- And my -- Andrea Andrea are you there. Right -- and yeah I I do think Tim Taylor it's the case what McClellan by the good about Patrick but I don't think -- Coakley. Read at all I think -- article we want to run for governor because of the kind of an open seat. And he had to look like she's doing something and so to ability to Barbie Q1 thing coming at -- he's not that normally a public -- cricket and the harassment. I would not under Martha Coakley I would say that's that's non actors are you talking we say -- ABC it's been centenary talking about indictments of public officials are -- Well I have no idea no -- don't come out and -- -- European campaigns and all the probably a little flurry of the what did you do. With what looked at one time at one time I called about something actress yeah it was that I you can you can even really get through to a human being -- -- -- -- keep up between nine and four. On Monday through Friday in an even gonna get a super ego. Eater were you make a fact that recent polling data this is shown the -- he's put our poll that shows she's the most popular politician in the state. -- -- -- -- are they ignorant ideology go ahead take a break thanks for kept calling it. We get a get back we're gonna talk about talk to a a BC -- Max Barbara talked to him about this tale that they have coming up. On the Citizens United decision on some prominent local polls there and a -- Eldridge is going to be on the panel. That this next in April. I'm excited now get it DL you take Cameron suspenders and go down there and record a lot just my ball boy. 6172666068. Sessions united has BC pale well we get back on -- client.