Avi Nelson - Occupy Boston Evicted

Good afternoon this -- Don Nelson welcome -- the program. And I hadn't let us. Low number Ameristar would that you can participate. Toll free 877. 46943. To ten. Text message coaching change and change. Email address -- Nelson wrko.com. Well we can Begin with a little bit of good news which. I drove by last night. I joined by where the IQ points where you lost. I never need you know I now we all know do we square had never knew that was Dewey square now we know it's do we square. That's really work. I drove by I looked at the clock is I want to have identified. 9:38. In the evening and all of tension where there. I was really annoyed. -- other Irish for the mayor's deadline finally got around to a ten weeks into it. And nothing happened in there or a handful of them. Saying that this is what they call a general assembly general assembly the restoration is caught you know getting together somewhere in talks with this in the general assembly because. They have inflated view of their own importance. Anyway but I was annoyed because nothing has happened. Now can show -- and finally. Found out that 5 AMA is scheduled -- -- -- drove by and again on the way into the studio which want to make sure. And sure enough there are all gone there a whole bunch of food -- -- -- There are more people on that audio. The live more at the occupied. Boston anyway by the way I should say last night when I got there. There were two garbage trucks sitting next to Paul lieutenants and all that they were curious sitting there. The chair when I got to your whole bunch of trucks cleaning up the ground courses in mesh this will feel Green -- to brown way because it's all it's mud -- But they're gone fine. So let's hear -- -- -- Mayor Menino do your job. Ten weeks it took him to figure out and even now. He would -- about how he still has sympathy with occupied Boston just just into Tuesday's Paper. Just from day one this is quote from day one I was sympathetic to the movement because they had issues working people care about. The rich get richer the other folks lose ground on quote that's just flat out wrong. You know that's just downright wrong and -- the Richard -- less Richard that makes you need it makes any difference to you. America backed according Menino America -- get a hold of itself and change the way we operate. Just shows to me here's a guy who hub not with the rich are you should be somewhat sympathetic to me you know after this. I think he's just been a disaster. You are not supposed to be giving favors. To your political -- You're not supposed to be giving them electricity. And trash clean up when you don't do it thought druthers that's not your responsibility. As the mayor. And by the way they finally figured out that. The First Amendment protest that you have a right to complain about things does not include squatting on land. Duo at the takedown want to get I don't understand that's. Of course you can protest but they can't door on your front long can that. And you can't do it on their front lawn. Sure they -- -- between raising objections because you don't like the way things are going and taking over a place. Public land means exactly that people launched everybody doesn't mean the rest or should be shot out because you've got some hooligans out there. Who have the German general complaint the momentum against society as a whole. And the system. It's ten weeks and finally got rid of them. For the moment anyway. There's a terrible job now I understand according to the newspaper reports. -- and Garrett mentioned this in the previous program. Boston Herald a million dollars of overtime. That the Boston Police have drawn up. During this period -- don't pay for that. It should come out of mini -- campaign fund. But you know where it's going to come out of its gonna come out of touch dollars. My social spokeswoman mentioned a spokesman spokeswoman. For. The Green way and said that the cleanup is gonna cost 50000 dollars I don't know where that. Money's gonna come for a you know these are people who have no sense of responsibility. No capacity even to clean up after themselves they just make a mess. And they think everybody else should take care of it and all they do is complained. And gripe about how this system isn't giving them enough and they try to forestall their failure. On the success of others. As you've somehow. If the rich weren't rich. Day and of course feel like to identify all rest of us. They would be better off you can tell I have actually no sympathy nor any patience with them. I think the mayors of the cease have been derelict in their duty including in Boston and I finally getting around to clean them out. Unfortunately we have a warm November -- air show the weather didn't do it I I don't know what happened to the chance. Tried to push potential look like there and expansion and I don't know if they. Picked up the tension took the more they were confiscated. -- or want that the century ago. -- your thoughts are welcome -- initially it's not the end I suppose technically. Of the meowing in the griping -- it is the end the occupation. He IQ points are gone at least from downtown Boston. He noticed in. The ten weeks or twelve weeks that they had been a movement. They were not able to develop anything coherent. We still don't know they're there there's been different pieces of material. And postings. From these groups but every time you use one -- bunch of Michelle Obama does represent us. They weren't even able to organize. That much to come up with a coherent what they are against -- more importantly what their four. DGB against things right now you have to replace it with something. But -- will take issue also with another term that -- being thrown around a lot by people who -- the good guys -- -- this and that's the term crony capitalism. I don't like the term because it disparage capitalism. It ought to be crony socialism. Because it's government. Being used. To give power and favors to selected groups. And sometimes they're corporations true. Sometimes their unions. Sometimes they're just individuals. Sometimes they're politicians one gripe we should get to a little bit later on mr. rather. Amazing and appalling. Situation that we now find out that the rules against insider trading. Don't apply to the people in congress. Show crony socialism is so much better term. I didn't tune -- your disparaging capitalism as part of the problem these guys don't know much about capitalism. They're not talking much about it not that all of them would resonate with that. This should give you an idea of how widespread this is hearsay. Assure -- it was done by Rasmussen. 26%. Prefer a government managed economy. The good news is I exposure said it's only a quarter of the population. The bad news is it's remarkable. That there -- actually a quarter of the population. That thinks they hate this place would be better the economy would be better he four run by the government. -- just awful and those are the people out there. -- in an earlier survey. -- organization Rasmussen. Found that 72%. Favor -- free market economy over one managed by the government -- you know you've you've got the numbers are roughly. Adding up correctly. 26%. Favor that the government management figures showed -- 2% don't. But still also little frightening. I found over the course of are thinking about these things and been coming in contact with a -- left wing ID you come up with were -- with 20% of the population. -- this 26%. Is a little higher. Then usual and a little bit frightening that this is the price we pay for having bad education. Education -- action and almost all levels. Is anti capitalism. Anti individualism. And very much pros socialism. And pro government control. Manager wished him because you have you have young people here who. Resonate with OG week we have to fix it or make it better there's an antipathy to the wealthy anyway. And so they gravitate to government there's another reason why I think it happens. And this applies not only to the young men who were out there complaining but also why there's so many. Academics. Who are in favor of socialist policy of centralized control. And that is that neither of the young. Nor the intellectuals on campus. Could ever achieved the influence power in the marketplace. If they had to go out and build a company. If they had to develop our power reach. Extend in the marketplace by being an entrepreneur nor that's a long hard drew road to travel all right. It's a shortcut. To say well let's have a regulatory authority. That I can access if I'm an academic I have credentials. I haven't Ph.D. in sociology. I can go and strut my stuff and not have more influenced. And more. More. Or involvement. In people's launch more control over their lives. Leo the government hurt that I could ever get in the private sector and by the way that -- and for the most here for the most affluent people. If you don't want to you don't ever have to deal with Warren Buffett. You're have to deal with bill gate you get an apple. But we all have to deal with Barney Frank and John Kerry right because they passed laws food that apply to all of us. Okay your thoughts are welcome if you just joining -- good afternoon this is -- no sooner. I'm we got on the program talking about. The occupied Bausch and movement the -- losers if you will you know -- WS sure -- occupy or H whatever name you wanna give to them. And they are finally thrown out of do we square. You can drive by simply traded near the Federal Reserve building yourself stationed. Anyway the if you'd like to join with us our phone number of the preferred mode of communication. Is through the toll free number 8774694322. Text message code 68680. The email address a Nelson at wrko.com. Okay. The goal line James good afternoon near the ice breaker thanks for calling in. They'll hold a hobby I won't show you some about this occupied went -- from the big give it. It should not have been allowed. These young man what not -- more then -- -- Walt upbeat freebie. You want a bailout -- -- we should they even put up what this lack from the big. You are absolutely right they should really thrown out the first time they started squatting there. Now -- So we'll let not not they'd defecated all -- -- city Blair. And they were allowed to stay -- way beyond what they should of but the the minute they stayed there all the wanna walk I was. They should abandon vacated out of there. Yeah right and by the -- you know they compromised all the businesses in the area some -- the facility some of -- made it impossible for the businesses to function. -- Cleveland wanna go there. Shaw you're -- absolutely right I fully agree with you and I think it's the mayor's responsibility you do it and he abrogated that responsibility. By letting him stay there because he agreed with their philosophy that's the worst justification. You on that led my friends. Have special privileges but the Tea Party years I'm sure he wouldn't have given free electricity and free trash pick up. Now I have to agree what -- they copy and I want you to have a look. Certain -- before you go James I suspect that you did not get that action -- living around here. Sir I -- from Alabama. And I'm from Missouri and the last ten years I have lived in the Boston area I'm a successful -- -- And it to get into law this Occupy Movement -- it to be it would -- business then I'm glad they're finally even. They should've left right from the stock. Well I notice in ten years you have diligently maintain your accent sure that I guess she gets -- referred to. Not that. Great I just say India nice to have shown diversion Delores talk but do -- right. Well there's diversity of language. That. Toward diversity of action and he really don't hear -- I got to hear that much well knows -- -- South Boston but some do my take is to to seriously. From 603 didn't mumble mean by the word for the -- not familiar Mobil's refers to the Tom Menino mayor. They mumble mean empathetic and not sympathetic. Maybe then he felt sorry for the losers and lay abouts I feel sorry for us we have to live with them. Well you know looked like he he used the word to sympathetic. And I don't he probably knows the word empathetic but you don't rhetorical flourishes not many -- strong -- Neither apparently is enforcing the law. But in any event. Who whichever way you are right. Let's see. For seven anyone who was good move letting them stay there. Well I knew right where there are the whole time -- I just. I can't you couldn't decipher that one. Seven -- one situations occur up to this whole court is not a border. Well like mall everybody is an award I went to London. Deal a little bit with some of the issues that there's been talked about because of this. Well as a sidebar here. Maybe issues starting with this. Most of them are. -- don't mind being wished happy holidays. 80%. Of people by the way -- a great Christmas 8% do not know which with the 8%. And 70%. Prefer Merry Christmas over -- happy holidays on store shines even though most people don't. Care about within their wished. Happy holidays or Merry Christmas. -- Sidebar to the to what's going on. What I wanted to mention no always is in terms of this argument about fairness which was hole a lot of the -- a lot of the the argument that was put forward by these people and is being picked up by. The politicians especially on the left. Obama makes a lot of it. That somehow he each issue is not fair that some people have more than other people show -- to deal with that because he gets to. The fundamental question. Of what's going on politically if it involves not only the occupy which were also the the political campaign that's going in on now because it's clear that the presidential contest. Which involves class warfare although the Democrats don't like it or don't like it framed that way has to do with this whole question. Fairness and whether there are some people have too much or too little will be getting than the segment if you had if you have thoughts on that by all means join. It's 774694322. Franco good afternoon your next on the program. Are you go and -- always a pleasure to listen do you -- This occupied -- and I'm actually have to agree with both the left the -- that called the -- We we should have put up put this right from the start you know and and again I agree with the fact that we would say about the 24 hour period. Maybe it should have been twelve hours you know I mean it just -- that happens and I think we all know what the outcome was going to be like your golf. Well you know Franco I fully agree with you when you -- you shouldn't happen I. Look I'm a firm believer in first amendment rights you want to protest I protest all the time I complain about things are more criticized. People in government or or elsewhere that's perfectly okay. What you don't take over property over I don't do it on your front lawn and I don't have any right to take over. Public property I mean what is public property mean it means it launched everybody and everybody should be able to access it. You don't have any right to pitch a tent and and take over a part of the of the community. Daryn that it will end and for the mayor. Someone not to figure that out and lucky you do doubt he wished he was giving benefits to his. Political -- people that he agreed with and therefore he was behaving differently toward them. Then he would do the rest of us and that in an elected official -- Inexcusable. Absolutely and I think the may have been may have too long and I think now and I mean it's common sense. Mayor Menino come up with a game plan so this don't happen again. You're right that's -- we ought to do is to. Expect from the mayor some things so that the next time occupiers try to take over part of the city. He's got a strategy which works better than it did this time we're actually right frank we should expect that from Blair but chance we're gonna get -- I'll tell you the -- states and have a good. Very thanks thanks for calling 877469432. To the phone number two wanna send a text message. The code that shortcut British X 8680. And the email address a Nelson at wrko.com. Well unlike the people who have been squatting on the public land we pay our bills. Sure you take a break now and back on the other side this is nothing else. Six AB WR -- And welcome back. -- Nelson impressionist -- it's okay this is literally right. It's the following season. For those still like to join -- us 8774694322. That is until free number. Six a six shady is the short code. Oh by the way also in our never ending effort. To spread the good news or you'll be happy to know I think that shove today. The sun is setting -- later. With -- each passing day the earliest sunset. Was yesterday. Now the days continue to get shorter fewer measure. Glued to the amount of light we have during the 24 hour period. That will continued to diminish until the winter shall -- switches are coming up be on December 21. But that's because the sun is rising even later each day. But most of us. Gauge the shortest of the day by the the darkness it comes in the afternoon so. -- a little bit of brightness now that the changes only a few seconds at the beginning it accelerates. As soon with -- each passing day but at least as a matter of technical accuracy when the days are now. Being shorter but the sun is setting where child you should feel better. Okay now I mentioned about the fairness aspect in the whole question about whether the the affairs or commit -- hearing in. Political circles nowadays. He is something there we -- Take seriously or should be categorized as the class warfare which I think it is incidentally is as background to this. -- from a polls December 4. 35%. In America say it's still possible for anyone in America to get rich by working hard. And of course that's what it's all blocked. If you have a system that allows people to acquire well. And by being an entrepreneur war. To become rich and along the way and therefore provide jobs for people may be -- of stockholders along the way you also get wealthy. Then should we be concerned because not everybody. Gets rich. -- the fairness idea the Fairness Doctrine not as it applies to radio that's an -- that we're told mission. But the idea that fairness should be the motivating principal doesn't make sense some official it. You know Mr. President is it fair that your wife gets to go to Spain and hobnobbing with the queen at the you know that at no expense. That you are rich man that you have a lot of power is it fair that some people have athletic ability and others not. Mean this is it fair that because somebody can hit a baseball or catch a football that they should get millions of dollars and somebody else does not. This is fair that some people have musical talent. And can play guitar or piano better than the rest of us so they make a lot of money in the hole I know the whole notion. That should help fairness should be the dominating. Criterion. Is absurd on the face of it. We all know that there are variations. Inability. In appearance. In family background. In location you know -- fair but some people live in Bangladesh and we live in America. You can't reconfiguring. The world so -- fairness should be the criteria and that could -- McNamee could spend all future history trying to redress of grievances and the unfortunate circumstance is a past history. So why should we be so concerned if somebody has more money than we do. Is that not just. Playing to the NB. And the the disappointment. That we feel because others are more fortunate than then we all -- Well I think it is and unfortunately. The president is launching. His entire campaign on it now which he is also got some factual inaccuracies. And we're gonna do that -- let's set the stage we've got a couple of clips here. Where it. With -- Obama stressing faring nation the first one is Charlie Gibson. The newscaster. Asking in a debate and this was a debate between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama in oh wait before he got the nomination. He asks a question about capital gains and Obama answers Joseph here's Charlie Gibson with the question -- Each instance. When the rate dropped revenues from the tax increased. The government took in more money and in the 1980s. When the tax was increased to 28% of revenues went down. So why risen at all especially given the fact that a hundred million people in this country owns -- somebody else. GameStop -- other what I conservatives that I would look at raising the capital gains tax. For purposes of fairness that they share -- it that's the key point here Charlie Gibson makes an unassailable argument which is correct. Then as you raise the capital gains rate. The amount of revenue that comes to the government goes out. And the converse is also true as you lowered the rate the revenues went up which presumably he's really the theory of taxation. And what does Obama counter with. I don't care it's a matter of fairness. Fairness means that. You tax people higher and that is supposed to make everybody feel better. We have a less efficient economy we have. -- a lower revenues going into the government. But it's finished so it's okay now one other clip this is a compilation I got this on YouTube it's compilation. Are several. Speeches and statements made by Obama more recently than -- -- this is this president. Where he keeps hammering this thing. Everyone in America gets a fair shot at success I believe that this country succeeds when everyone gets a fair shot. When everyone does their fair share. That is the height of unfairness. Restore fairness asking everybody to do their first year when every one engages in fair play. The fair shot. Everybody does their fair share. Yeah okay you -- -- -- -- is the important criterion for the president. Where she never defines it. He did at one point and I certainly recently I have to check that she -- there are billionaires who pay 1% intact as well. And go a little bit of research on this you know one never specifies smuggling nobody gets a billion dollars a year remember -- income taxes now wealth tax. -- the billionaires and paying attention is because he does not much income. But I you can do some checking on -- Another statement he made in this going back QE2 middle class formally shouldn't pay higher taxes than millionaires and billionaires. He continued that's pretty -- forward it's hard to argue against that on -- with the president. Okay well. Do some research on in 2009. Which is the most recent data we have. There were there was something like less than 1%. Of people with incomes above the million dollars paid no federal income -- according to the IRS. I I can't explain that. I don't know why that happened. But over 99%. Half of the people. There -- some 237000. Returns -- -- about a million they did pay taxes. And if you want to do the numbers. Households making more than a million dollars this year. Will pay an average of 49%. Of their income in federal taxes including income taxes and payroll taxes. That by the words according to the Tax Policy Center which is a Washington think that. By compassion. Households making between fifty and 75000. And the middle of meddling -- they'll pay 15%. Of their income in federal package. Half. The rate. So don't get me this nonsense about how. The millionaires and the billionaires aren't paying traction which. It just is. Factually false. And that's why Obama rarely deals with numbers he just throws this out and everybody shouldn't say everybody a lot of people get educated. And then you get the young people around jobs and -- although. Working for a living to go unoccupied rant rave about how the 1% Irish are living high off the hard because of government connections. And the rest of -- aren't. And 2008. The top 1% by the way which is an income of 380000. It was in a way -- the most recent numbers that. -- 38%. Of the federal personal income tax who has paid -- to 1% is paying 38%. And on the other side. Has -- finish. 47%. Of the people in this country pay no income tax if it. He's now. It's true is not fair is it right the 47%. Should pay no income tax. I'm better everybody out there listening to me. Peja income taxes but you're -- here in the upper half British 53% that's right. You of the 53%. And the other 40% are going along for free ride leash as far as -- connection that Dutch course the most burdensome tax. We are all supporting it but they vote than any interest in holding Costello why. They promote the more people who are -- up a politician who gonna spend more. They won't pay for art free ride. Few venom and the toll free number I'm offering -- 8774694322. Jeff you know actual program thanks for holding out. -- 78 it will look like he's steering towards. Some sort of total control because you can't. Dictate fairness unless you have access to people's information on the bank account they come into their homes. Because he does not -- -- well I think that 380000 dollars a year OK but I got the daycare was severely disabled article the kospi 200000 all the people that know that. Did this single quote I want some of the stand up and oppressed and ask him what it's fair colon definition are we gonna use proper. I tried I -- I think that's a very good question and he never dresses it and you do the Democrat she said. They just throwing out there and which some people it seems to resonate but -- especially right you know what what constitutes Barron's. I got it to exceed its lightweight -- arguably. Belittled I gotta -- an argument with -- woman. Who who she was our assistance her daughter who they had such public audit system they've both said so for the whole gamut. And I'd ask sir what can you direct assault on a compatriot bode. Thank you duplicate says. Well you can afford it not that much. See that's that's it you know. It's annoying though angering the good. Mind numbing it's my nominally still -- -- only stupid people and that they don't know that there are being bought they're he's buying their votes. And that makes it more even more simpler. Well yeah I know he'll be he's buying their votes when you're buying her cellphone. Exactly exactly right. Then any notice how that's really frequent. Comment that all you have plenty of money it doesn't matter. -- -- -- they always think that you are just rolling in the dough and therefore it's perfectly okay it's morally justified. For them to impose on you for ourselves falling aren't I or attend the new. They can do that and it's that this cellphone call free now the -- commercials. They get the free so what if you run away or ABC card or something like that you get a free cellphone appeal platform. That's why you know this is why Jaffray need to make some serious changes -- those -- really an ideological problem here with the people in Washington. And then don't get it -- and by the way it's -- very interest also to expand government gives them more power. By people in the system the more people put -- the higher therefore government grows more -- more money they have to bring in the more people they can get and the more it's just a vicious circle especially. The carpet people want first and an -- and gonna -- Half or moved to move out some are likely trying moved to Barbados thanks Jeff thanks for garlic. You know it was you is Alexis de Tocqueville who -- -- mystery couple hundred years ago warned about this signal in effect. Saying and others have pointed it out to the democracy works opening until the majority figures not that they can vote themselves an ever increasing -- yes. From everybody else in the rush of -- showed trying to work hard because if he'll -- we think first of all there's a responsibility. That that we should. Take care of ourselves and our family and secondly if we are going to try to make some. Extra money become financially independent leakage could take challenged me entrepreneur or something like that most people don't want to do that. -- -- take the jobs that are provided by the entrepreneur or. 8774694322. Is the phone number. I'm on the Nelson. Welcome back this is our emails and phone number 8774694322. The back July while you're next on the program good afternoon. There are your car lot of timeless they're big and I argued truck load up. -- useless spending incessant socialist federal government I mean. Well Florida I mean -- I think is if you really wanna cartel problem you'd have to get involved in. Cracking down on useless spending and state mean this you know this sounded different. Heroes and stayed at state employed the agencies that just you know service -- spend money. -- you're absolutely right about this notion there's duplication and -- duplication and then that. And then -- -- bloated bureaucracy and then their pensions should people get that. They you know that do we have to pay for that we don't have funding do you write it gets it it's at all levels of government. What's it like there's so many stars like prisons going you know get lax security is no animals securities and then -- securities you know maxed meeting minimal. For the little guys I mean. It basically get to walk around all they noticed hardly anybody watching them you know I mean -- in the middle securities guys basically living houses. Settlements and on plantations in on that they're they are mistakes. Yeah the only every night show. Who wouldn't be -- I should we put into work. Well don't -- No no depending overturning what's what's a just and stream that China you know we're not China so no I don't think you'll be good if we put its war. Much a part of a wandering around the plantation not doing anymore. -- both supported routers that stretched service at least you know that's that's being ridiculous it's state money my money your money what they ought to do is put these people on parole. You know I'm hire more more probation officers and she -- -- to a vote. You know getting back getting these guys jobs well. They actually they can actually -- in spending. Make money earned money and in broad economy right there. Well -- yeah we -- We're -- close to the same thing you just want them to do it outside the prison say that they are going to be in at least have them do something bad why are vacant. -- thank thank you until I know there's one case and I know somebody who wish. Jewish convicted. Four drug use in drug selling -- banished. You don't -- don't get me could have been doing dentistry in the person at least not let them now. They knew that speaking. Sensing now. Rod Blagojevich blog go in his file miles wife Patti who -- mercifully silent during an Blagojevich got fourteen years. Yeah but didn't you I must say that I did not expect. I did not expect -- usually get them much. And it shows you that okay -- urge governor who is convicted of corruption including trying to sell the senate seat that Obama had. And got stiff sentence fourteen years is a lot of time. Bashir himself Byron -- on the countryside like a celebrity in his who's going to be the whole thing but still. So sometimes. The system is not as bad as we think when in the corrupt politicians don't beat it. 8774694322. John you're next on the program good afternoon. -- respect my -- lobby for a lot go off the mark. You know probably don't bump along with -- jail -- make a bit -- the and I don't think anyone should get out unless they are -- we've worked imitated but don't worry at thirty grand -- -- even -- -- -- to keep them out. And good -- that -- all. Earlier than they should be is it Ludacris they're just gonna -- it's still -- star war start so. Do whatever crime they were going to get -- open but I really do they should absolutely 100%. Beat up beat doing so I don't work and producing something or you know -- no no earlier. Do you don't you Scott hey we thought well -- surely that's like (%expletive) up stuff so -- -- call. I called -- the Big Apple initially that it I don't think well I totally disagree with you that somebody saying. There's somebody make it a million all the more -- they know act. You know you're stupid you're saying that there -- that are. What limit to what to do for me just say watch. USA I think Obama so what they'll bet that people make a million watchful Bengals back -- I should -- -- -- there was less than 1% over 99%. Pay taxes. These -- Patricia that I. What you say that somebody that they're not very fact. Well a shame when -- when Obama makes a statement as if they're not paying taxes he's really mission leading everyone. John John Mark I'm I'm up against a very well I don't know the point is that. Former 99%. Of the people for making over a million dollars are indeed paying taxes. I'm obvious knock on the other side of news update.