Mark Steyn talks to Tom And Todd about the decline of America.

RKO it's Wednesday beautiful day today actually summer day in the -- right the asserts we -- with that we shook him we love that stuff. Joining us now is writer political commentator and once a theater review or Marc Stein who resides in New Hampshire is that cool. Do we have that brilliant mind and wonderful accent right here in New England mark welcome to WRKO.

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It is I think cancer there we were just talking about how much you sound a sound like an all knowing what you actually sound like a guy from South Boston to -- And by the way I am a huge fan of national review -- a right turn to the back page of every single issue we have the one and -- Marc Stein holds forth every two weeks.

Yeah I I always like it when when people say they read the magazine. Back. That's right imports from my eyes and listen as cigarette ads I like those two it on the I kinda like Adam I -- mail regardless of health issues I economists who have. Wish they would come up with an equivalent. This with just -- to six on the map and it would just. Be who on the back.

So mark they have talked cable and high speed Internet I understand in New Hampshire now say -- Europe to date on in the Perry campaign into the goings on and I know what's your what's your take on things.

Well I I'm -- He. Hit that -- action little surprise that Michelle Bachmann won the Iowa straw poll by the devilish tactic of of -- from my book. Basically every step of the way she stated you know alleged is Waterloo. And she triumph stand -- and good luck and good luck Rick Perry. I mean he's got a huge long -- that. The longest serving up history and that is bad beat somebody that the that line is that people work to make Washington has been consequential. In your life as possible is a great when Bill Clinton mocked it. He's so yes this is the guy. He's gonna move into the white as he's going to be -- around on Apple's one he's gonna have marine model chemical chemical and he's gonna have five cents. The federation told him. The parish is I think it's just been watching the by the latest this ridiculous but with they have the quality tower entourage striving for small towns. I think -- patient column that China. -- in the Air Force One particular full -- nineteen year old granting -- three year old girls for commercial by -- anything most heads of government around the world -- Travel around in Apple's on the when -- the participation in history. It was actually a big big big symbolic gestures saying no. We don't need by excess of the white castle made do with two -- ready. And they can multiple levels one because things the TSA it is safe for -- is it is for the knowledge and -- granny. That that route that that that making special exception at the --

You know if you just had some pop charts in the covered that -- breakfast is also pop pop -- pops -- to go mark you've got a neighbor of -- up -- Mitt Romney has a place up and -- sake and seems to feel that quite at home at New Hampshire. Give us your assessment of Mitt Romney's campaign and the likely reaction to the entry of Rick Perry into the race.

Well I. -- years ago Mitt was -- around clarity by enough spoke to a imagine what that would as welfare ms. passive infrared Michelle -- I like I like two minutes an awful lot back. And my problem now is that. I would like I would like candidate to -- the urgency of the situation. You know I'm I'm all about the urgency -- stated. That's super committees with John Kerry ever reporting back with proposals to raise this so that. Entitlement eligibility -- party isn't ready if this were going to be dead that that's the solid and that it gets the -- and I worry about -- when when somebody plays in the question about global warming but He seems my head in. Last decades conventional wisdom. I think this is the danger -- that. -- Calibration. Is and isn't quite. What has the -- on the base the base wants someone who is. Essentially as Wright says and a while being as mainstream and and and -- it isn't quite at the right place on the --

Marc Stein is with us his new book is after America get ready for Armageddon. Is that the book that Michelle Bachmann spent quoting from and if so what you've been using.

Yes she does she's being and she's she's been a using mine -- about -- within a generation we went from being the biggest creditor nation. On the planet to the break -- nation in history and in using a lot of -- example of the growth of government. And south and about by the right. For any of your listeners that -- that. I'll be talking about that at and and homes collagen man insists that. Action tonight at 6 PM which are gathered here heading out of Boston. And about 545 the and thanks is a big big it's demands from. In -- is about a fifteen minute drive that Apple's easy well yeah yeah yeah. It's I don't know I would say 15 coming -- know -- well let all that big spectacular. Well they are things in twenty minutes.

Now you -- and understand we bought these scaled back version of the Big Dig which only took care downtown and actually what that does this make traffic worse -- as you leave the city because all the cars get out of the city so quickly so there's extra traffic out in the suburbs.

Yet there are you ready to united -- that every everytime I land at low bit. I'm aware.

Say He had -- is out quite nearby though in this is a strong one of a string of books you've written about the demographic threats to Europe. Actually the threat is I guess it's all but closed the net over there in the demographic threat pull opposed to America. This one this most recent one though. God does seem to contain all the urgent notes that you've talked about that seemed to be lacking in Mitt Romney's. Responses and might be quite more evident and compelling now when here Rick Perry speak.

Yeah I mean I I think I think for side you want to someone do yeah I mean what -- we get is going to be lol. And I think if this is why in nineteen resonate America voted for messiah for adult like they get. They descended from the heavens. Two to slow the rise the oceans no -- And it didn't work out and and and it's open it in what Japanese that was a very childish elections that reflected very holy. On the maturity of the republic. Essentially. It was an active bald offices and by the it is and that a lot of them discovered particularly the the squishy Democrats and independents. The -- of default -- massive system when you 10% unemployment. Mandate that haven't economy. And it's and it's -- and I'd be no change in. I love the way I would Obama when they say. United they'd be better off by saying He was gonna channel is an arrest the it is in -- and -- so. Somebody other day they -- that most recently he's gonna channel is enact an obvious treatment. There isn't anything inside Obama except more Obama if you haven't -- that out. Up -- three kids. Illegal job done now well.

wait a -- FDR okay He did is socialism. And I think that worked out pretty well -- no surprise and then Abraham Lincoln. Depression seems to be overtaking him they tell us like it was depressed --

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And -- you just let its loans. Yeah that that's what I've I've really surprised me that whatever you get it saves. But I have a fascist storm is that the Hyde Park should have kept. What it would -- substance they have a half possessions. I would I would be if He were to -- to -- haberdasher and I'd that would be a great to --

Our Michael Newt Gingrich yesterday offered in in in that in that realm of urgency He -- critique of the committee of twelve so this is ridiculous. Speaker Boehner should bring policy committee chairs the subcommittee cheers Ian right now during the summer recess. Have every one of them identify waste and excess spending that can and should be cut try to do a multiple of the goal of -- those super committee. Past that stuff through the house and led house and senate Democrats squirm. In reaction what is your reaction to that based not only on the urgency. The threshold that you seem to us suggest but on the specifics of the Gingrich proposal.

Yeah -- I think that actually makes sense I mean I think they debated is that it is -- huge disservice by spending mom. Negotiating a deal that provided. Put that He believes one to seven billion dollars. In its Soviet any -- doesn't matter which one is accurate that's the choice between. -- and that day it's seven billion dollars -- this is this is a government that spends a bit of a billion dollars every hour 24 has today. Seven days a week that it doesn't. Says He spent the month negotiating seven billion dollars were up the they United States government -- it -- back and the -- at least once every way. I as you mentioned I live in New Hampshire. Not opt out of respect for that if you look at. Well the stimulus funding is done to rebuild. Obscure rule all the parties but it 2000. The planted these giants starship. In the middle of the -- Greg both would have been just a majesty the queen on the Canadian side makes it with a one room we've copies of these right. As starship things descended from planet song go on the other side. You can sit on Google -- you don't need to play it close and it's the biggest thing in the neighborhood. There's one every well you -- and then -- should be stopped that's not an entitlement. That's not something that's the side rail in American politics He can stop that spending tomorrow.

And this is the disease of democracy is as the Chinese now look at us and -- that they say democracy doesn't work. Because it turns into a system of bribery the Democrats are now the bribery party. And there's no sign with these good government people -- in charge they finally got the leftists they wanted. Who believed in good government and He is the most ruthless and aggressive. Of those who is selling us out and order to use our money to buy votes.

And I think He made explicit. What what had been submerged lands is fascinating is that Chinese critique by the way because if He goes back. And you listen to what people told us when Deng Xiaoping began liberalizing the Chinese economy ideas again. They all talk every -- on guys have -- told us that economic liberalization. Would lead to political. And remark that was much that we helped the Chinese find the only economically viable form of optimism. And and it's I think when they looked at when they look at the eruptions of the democratic process in other words in which. It is in which politicians leave -- apprised the president yes. I don't think they're in danger of adopting that system many times.

Are we got a caller wants to -- to. Let's go to -- Mike on WR Kerry Iran with Marc Stein have Mike.

Promoting take my call Islamic point -- summer theater type these cutting out of the fraud waste abuse which caring about what -- abused. Month after month after. And nothing -- or. The amount of money you're talking about is is minuscule compared to the federal that. Just always said that speaker Boehner and all the alarms you know -- distasteful and billion dollars. It'll poster talking about your border -- that's not how we're gonna close up. Every bipartisan commission ever looked at as always. The other tackle. The big entitlement and you gotta -- revenue.

Restraint of one OK what I wanted to let you know I -- that this is a way to weigh all of government saying -- so multi trillion dollar this whole multi trillion dollar of that. Nothing can be done He told about the talk that way. For example. America. Dictate federal regulation alive now accounts for 10% of GDP. That's an equivalent of the entire Indian economy. For the entire Canadian on the so in other words we pay the entire Canadian economy. And tosses them the -- that just in pebble papal what. That's small miniscule. And the idea that sang everything other events and entitlement reform in mid century is too miniscule to all the way. Is what's led to this lifetime legislative clout. Swarming around like mine -- amazement huge entourages. Dialogue Barney Frank probably ever has the dip into his pocket and write a personal check. -- These little expenditures she's so what's the matter some obscure rural border prize that's just a few million dollars. It's accept the chef at about twelve million dollars in the middle of the words. What's that what's what's that matter. It -- out because it's still the hot and the integrity of government. Out of this government has had loved to do more with less it's. It's broke it's not but. If they spend seven million dollars on -- border post that's seven million dollars that the coming out of real people's pocket. Yeah -- had that 10%. I've GDP. Once they don't federal paperwork is miniscule. To promote that faces of almost -- and the -- there's no point doing anything until we fix the best Social Security or maybe 102075. What trying to -- If you keep telling all of that thinking everything going to be attorney 75 for America -- like really bad.

You have to start exercising the disease out of the organism ever worry confined. Sure go ahead Mike -- Mike Mike you respond to my do you respond to mark stunt or --

All they want entry it doesn't now of course it matters I just -- its not gonna close our deficit target come close. Secondly the regulation -- talking about people keep talking about that until there's some -- disaster where our entire financial system. Below dot and we say -- Where liberal watchdog Huckabee ticket out. The oil -- our entire economy in the stroke.

Didn't have a problem and the problem is that the federal government until a couple of months ago regulate his common middle. The same way it regulates oil spills but this -- It's -- if FAA. I a China milk specials. The federal clean up regulations with a famous for the Exxon Valdez. So did so again. You comment that I embodiment of the financial system by the way is that government elected. By the way why why by the way is the Canadian banking system fine. How his head from digital why is -- why is the biggest bank in the -- but now He didn't bank. Back with the initials let you know as an example like them to do something that millions of us think this is because -- direct American government regulate the banking system internal candidate.

Marc Stein is with a soft serve after America get ready for armor again and Aaron your NWR you would Marc Stein.

I anticipate doing mark and I am actually looking at your book in my -- BC right now America alone at the the novel -- yeah. Yes it is nothing nothing -- that greeted by -- the at this guy's got. To kind of let yourself -- I'd say it that much traffic light that rivalry -- every chance I get the but what -- after question about it about global demographic and -- and I have a new book -- can't -- read about what. Talk all about demographic. You know I think that the that it is Bob might -- is erring on the side of thinking that they're gonna be a country that you -- it fifty years -- there's not going to be financially or Democrat but we I want to. The talk a little bit about what you mean America alone by double what that America alone. You know demographic -- would mean by about you know what.

Well basically. The twentieth century's social programs depend on a a traditional mid twentieth century right. I -- for example 100 grandparents have 42 grand children they have an upside down apparently very. There's going to be around if you retired your government -- retire at 52 and expect yet. Fourteen months the with time pension check every year which is what they get fourteen monthly checks it. This is gonna pay for that when you've only got -- grandparents shoot -- only 42 grandchildren. Our entitlement problems by the way Mike is talking about have a very simple polls. That the baby boomers did not have Spain and -- children I mean there's there's other side does as well such is that they've set up on the basis of you know 1930s life expectancy rates which is significantly. Significant increase. -- but basically government -- enough people around. That the modify mrs. faxes and testified that the problem with socialism is that eventually run out of other people's money. Much of the western world has moved on to the next -- that that the problem -- business mobile is that eventually you run out of other people period. There -- people around. Wearing and how they have we will speak heading up huge. In tensions between young and old if you if you don't like these flash -- and what -- the Wisconsin state backed. Try telling young people the -- and I have to pay to go back to the revenue argument might -- making. Try telling young people that that's gonna have to -- the had to pay at the higher attack. Is to support baby boomers in retirement who enjoyed a life. A quality of life in America that they will never see you'll be you'll you'll will be setting up. Flash more reputation. Of the entire frigid -- if you get them.

delightful to -- selves tonight remember what is on the -- what time SS o'clock -- successful that it's a convenient twelve credit write down. Only if you take the big day and a great writer and a great commentator Max that it is always a delight to have you -- MI my pleasure. He served in his latest book is after America get ready for Armageddon that's Marc -- Thomas Todd WRKO. --