Ali Noorani

on that. Yesterday I mention that may it was going to be a big month a critical month four debate in the United States senate on the immigration issue which has some many people upset on both sides of the question. People who think would not being true to our historical acceptance and welcome that we're prophets who have multiple immigrant groups over the -- people who think. That the current system is so broken and that it is overwhelming -- social and educational and health care systems. Demonstrations that called -- today in a number of cities around the the country in the United States senate as I said a moment ago we'll be debating immigration reform legislation later this month in the month of may. -- deride he is a friend of mine in east and a guest on -- forum before he's calling from Washington DC he is on the line as part of some of the activities scheduled around the country today. And I'm delighted to have you join us Ali welcome back difference foreman thank you for joining us

thank you very much for having me periodontal.

I'm doing great thank you. -- some demonstrations called fall around the country today what is the purpose of the demonstrations what he hopes to achieve.

Well in that Jesus for example we're going to be helping out with rallies in Austin in Chelsea lost or Springfield in fact -- the bishop its central maps which participated in -- To really there's two calls -- requests of our election leadership and awareness to stop the -- we can't see we can't have what happened to Patrick. Opening the country -- the best way it -- the past humane comprehensive immigration reform. And you know especially right dismay as the -- very critical month. And the senators point to take action.

When you say stop the raids -- the federal people -- will save. Very as they have repeatedly when they've been criticized in the aftermath of the New Bedford situation look. With just enforcing the law the fact of the matter is we have this authority we have this jurisdiction we don't exercise it all the time. But we feel obliged to exercise it in cases that achieve a certain level of notoriety my recollection on that was that that issue came to their attention because the owners of that business were actually. It's it at least it was alleged -- actively soliciting an encouraging folks to come here and obtain false paperwork false documents and then they were exploiting them on the workplace -- what he would what do what do you say what is virus say. In reaction to that a raid that. Is based upon those enforcement protocols --

I'm never going to defend the actions that employ an employer and what does that. However the victims the victims in this case and in case the country are the 361. Men and women most of them parents of young children and they're the victims the families of the victims and defectors or -- has -- using -- these workers they've never had their day in court and they've been. That's summarily detained and deported was very very little -- of due process within our our court systems so if that's. -- should customs enforcement enforcing the law it's painfully obvious that we need to -- saw

what would you say to people who say well look we -- at the moment overwhelmed social. Cultural health care and educational systems overwhelmed we don't have the capacity. When you hear that comment when you hear that criticism. What in your mind is a number is there a number -- mind that the United States can absorb. Through legal. Immigration people who want to come whether it's from Thailand Indonesia weather from Guatemala -- Greenland. People who want to -- the United States of America legally what is the in your mind. The capacity that the United States has to absorb legal immigrants.

that to very good questions are very tough questions answered and their their labor economist at people much much much smarter than I -- in the park street -- in my case. They're trying to come up -- right now in I think destructive tactic that was proposed by congressman -- at Waco Democrat from Illinois Republican from. This number it is I think -- on the 400000 member per year in terms of worker visas what they've also done it. They're focusing their visa program on workers' and and mr. reunited outside of can. Program so that means is that you know finally we have the visas available for. Workers and also finally -- and deserved to reunify so if aunt and -- some surrender Indonesia. Actually able to be was and there are either their sibling parent their children

and I know I want to make sure you understand this because this feel the unification policy don't have to tell Alley. Remains very very Contra river let people see it as getting eight -- one foot planted in the and using it to halt a whole group of people in. A defeat in the unification so I entered the country under a worker visa program. Lott -- I'll I'll just stay with of the realities in my life my wife. My children. My brothers and sisters we -- is the limit in terms of -- pointing to family members and sank. I want them with me I need them with -- this family unification rationale.

The history earned Eric our immigration system model that you do to come here and bring you know you're at your wife and your family. And then over -- course of time you be able to sponsor competitions and sponsor. Immigration your parents and injure your brothers and sisters based summit -- terrier tiered system. And that you know -- has been in the these fundamental principle our immigration system favoring unification expect and you think of -- My family you're family and the -- sodium can images would not existed. That program was not exist this -- provisions being proposed it is considered the -- White House -- to eliminate that process and that's that takes the gun out of our protection system that takes the -- families and defensively the assumption that a person enters and a member then. Siblings and cousins and 4000 and not been says it is. It's it's not spelled out by the date and that if you look at the data. There's a generational -- people wait 51015 years before actually that concert -- come into the country because of the party system because of the waiting the waiting the line to wait in the country so. You know it's not stream of people coming in but it is -- should be able to be together in the important.

Alley like to take some calls on this or nine people that the number here is. 61726668681 question if I was under that program you just described the existing unification program if I was to them make an attempt to sponsor additional family members MIA under some obligation to make shoe that I can support them -- is their risk that. Once they get he up public support systems utilized by the new arrivals

in order to a summit could be wrong in the number of politicians are you just approved -- 200% of the central US senate Republican. Couples -- you would have to prove that you can and take care and provide for -- individuals.

It's okay aren't good enough what -- want to take some calls -- a sort of credible switchboard lit up his 6172666868 is the number. Eric in New Hampshire you next unfit parents -- with Dolly notoriety from Myron Tom Finneran on parents for a.

do great are good morning we want Herat laws -- and in what we're really need. We are out a gap -- this program what is already the view people all of it but it and we and for a -- a parent -- The -- you know people. Here on the diplomatic deductibles and services made available for everything

to really it's really unfortunate definitely -- stores you know Russian elders and I don't know in different parts of -- Who have been sponsored and you know that's not it's not so much you know they've been denied that induces. They have been really -- outside their family and there's nothing more tragic horror you know return to really just -- The families -- people come from countries where they've never turning things sort fact they're not. We we struggle to to make sure that they are hoping that there I was that they do -- is that you know patient. And it should be able to go to their sponsors and and you know have them for help centimeter -- who never came here with the assumption they're going to get an economic system. And you know having -- they've been taking advantage of by the around 11% -- as just an unfortunate apart human nature.

We certainly hope congress gets to address that one let's go to Don in Roxbury -- next on parents farm AM 680 WR KO we can Allen a running on from Myron Tom Finneran.

The gentleman done just -- assess what the overall. -- as a result of the the bad bad grade you're at but at the feet -- parents put their children in that situation at the troubled situation with the about a group of people -- the first act upon entering the country not the country my country. Political what you -- an -- and that -- that we --

Well Doug O'Donnell adamant that I want to make sure that I understand the question you are what you are saying is that the the F -- he had is is based upon. In illegal acts. What but I'm losing the connection with a vis a vis the had children I have children

you might not be. Did you see it -- that they likely won't put the children that danger that despite breaking a coming. Knowing that could possibly be what should I -- think I lost his. Immigration that --

let's give -- a chance to respond I asked -- this question about the that ice is just merely enforcing existing -- you -- you -- that you hero you we have done and you hear the anger in his voice what he said that.

I don't done that cigarette and then -- is enforcing the law our position is that. These are feminists are working hard there are here basically allowed the opportunity emerged from the underground they are not exploited. And as a function. They're co workers -- native born worker they're native born American. Co workers not exploited to mean nobody wants to live underground I -- we need to have a system that actually treats people fairly.

Allen editor Mary let me -- in on what if I can't let me hop in on this one and it just -- mean you is an example. Suppose that EU who tried to come to the United States of America legally that you went to the consul general's office what we -- ready when you went. You've taken out the application you going through the process. I get he illegally this I think goes that I how to -- question I -- smother myself in somehow some way pay somebody whatever. And I'm here now how is it fair that. You are waiting outside the country sometimes for years and years and years on the inside the country then I happen to have a baby all right bright children with may. And then went ice does a raid I'm scooped up printed in somebody's that's to wheat for may and I say look we've been -- whose -- of -- that guy who's outside trying to play by the book try to play by the rules and getting India.

And if it is it's it's a system that it's just it's treat everybody fundamentally unfair. So this and that and Natalie we're actually advocated for two fundamental is to -- Christians system. First and foremost it has increased opportunities for legal protection 4000 number that I gave -- earlier. To increase if people have a legal opportunity to come into the country are not going to put themselves -- legal or physical risk. Into the country illegally so if you take the pressure our system -- just providing an opportunity to come here. Integration would be extra -- And it's for those people who are a year or undocumented let's put that allowed them to get to the packet citizenship lot that naturalization. They had a line where somebody -- to go to the processes in the process the way. Their job perhaps so but it if you do one without the other somebody's treated him very. So we need to -- and.

Good enough let's go to David Boston did -- next on Finneran -- AM succeeding WR KO.

Good morning my question is that if at some point -- as the number let's say two million people per year that we because we change allies are allowed to come into this country. What you folks say about the million and first and second and third in and then a hundred and a 100000 after that cap was been established. What do we do with them are you saying that we shouldn't throw them out of the country we know what we -- the people -- New Bedford argues saying that well. We have to treat them humanely and maybe we can turner -- for those folks seeing what you establish a cap. At some point there's going to be -- little break that cap and what do you do with them and what that between those people. And the people that we're treating it now where we especially we have a a cut sort of cap now wouldn't let the little people know.

a good point let's go back to the 1986 and -- program that rain that Reagan signed into law. What detonated it was -- and -- you here on doctorate in exterior document it was a amnesty in the reception. What that program never did -- look at the future flow immigration so what we're trying to do now is to. Not providing amnesty -- they look at one day -- fine and no one day here here and -- news state senator period of time. But also accused begin to increase opportunities for illegal immigration. So that's the visa cap goes up. You have at a place we are firm support enforcement system actually. Efficient sort of trying to in the billions of dollars to tricked -- tractor -- and effective and actually you know -- It forces system that is. Tensions -- kind of temporary he's hurt us suppose you -- reform plan and are completely insupportable enforcement provisions.

And so so you navigate re likely -- or may be handled differently but it there was a there was the million person over the cap. And we found out that they were all at one place you would be advocating a raid -- that -- and the deportation of those people immediate deportation of of people because they're over the cap you. -- that's exactly where that -- what happens now. And why can't we have a lot more people it's okay to -- people out but it's not okay now because week that we at those people are picked them.

Fixed -- now there is no they're not obviously not enough opportunities to immigrate illegally and number two you have such a large conductor -- population. -- in New Bedford over and over and over again. We're going to turn the -- region there.

You know I did that's got a point that I've made on this David repeatedly that no matter we'd come from on this issue. The undocumented population of the illegal population the estimates range from about 12 million as a low figure to as high as perhaps 30 million -- said this is an underground for the most -- an underground population so nobody's going to step forward and raised in it's a we want to give you an accurate count. It's a huge huge number and I have -- speaking for myself I have no problem at all. With processing that on a case by case basis and those who have come here worked -- played by the rules not abused public systems are engaged in criminal behavior find a way as -- to put him at the back of the line but give them a pop to citizenship anybody else's run afoul of criminal laws public assistance just haven't shown you know the right the right patterns of behavior I also have no problem with deep putting them let's go to Peter -- bear repeating up next on parents for a may have succeeded WR --

What -- we'll meet -- I am mister Perrin has mentioned that the couple times that I am interested what all the things about that in terms of people that are here illegally our country I'm so not in the legal sense. And then having children and those children immediately becoming US citizens I mean that to me is one of the federal model problems in this whole situation and create -- situation where. People you know. You know -- remains a lot of different -- and they use these children.

describe that want to say as a perverse incentive while that creates such a powerful incentive. That you get the type of behavior you don't want to see people as you said who subject themselves to great risk our cost physical financial everything else what do you say to -- bank of -- B provision it gets people's -- makes people's blood boil

well -- it is true that the 14 amendment of our constitution which was put into place actually land on. With the vehicles have been sending us sort of that and the children so its work immediately because between citizens -- about that but history of the fortune commitment and and the -- You people are not coming here to have been these are obviously getting New Bedford proved is that it doesn't matter if you have. Children you will be coming -- current immigration laws will remove view from the country that does not matter if you have children that's not the assumption of immigrants when it -- In the assumption and a desire to -- to come -- used to like any other human being. The police instantly and it it almost somebody to actually start saint so we can execute their route to Munich the root of this problem where. If a person want to certainly personal to workers and make their community better. You know what should we Annan.

Peter appreciate the call let's go to Stephen Braintree Steve got next time for parents for a may have succeeding WR KO.

A demonic Alley I love you very clintonian what you -- every position by agreeing with -- and completely.

We have sound. -- yeah I think we lasted just in -- direction yes this how hot he was covering praise Steve I mean Alley Stevie is still them. Going about it you -- did you use that it -- want to -- clintonian.

I thought it was -- telling -- worried about your position by saying it's a great automatically took off and is talking quite and disagree with it but he'd stick to the immigrant community is that you know at all though. You know anyone who's had experience with you know wet. Street level mode but many of these people have Stanley back all of many of them don't want to become Americans there yet there -- more body but it -- called it is day. It is one of the largest gross national product of Mexico would be. We part of money from the United States it would basically importing the underclass. A South America and helping -- economy these are not educated workers that we need a computer illiterate for the most part they don't want to learn English. Dictator working menial jobs which pay 12 that it happened but he can get but they earn back its.

Let's give belly a chance to respond go ahead Alley you -- beauty is this is a recitation of things you've heard time and time again Alec

and the assumption is that -- It's a passage of the law like -- That our jobs go to South America or Central America or investment act like there's it's obviously not -- to put three million people. Out of work turbulent -- or can go. Those farmers in Mexico under the tree -- US sport. Those trees are such tests in the clothes because the press labor in China cheaper. They can't these farmers can go after the -- those farms have been you know sold say agricultural -- so they go no. Because that's an -- I've talked to people say you know who were able to two 54 the legal protection under a lottery crooks. Counsel at ten years ago and it has been told me you know what -- musica I think one estimate contribute I didn't have a chance to. And I I won the slaughter purpose and now live here. Temperature never wanted to. We provide the opportunity that mindset that this is that a person feel like they can be disappeared by the government in any particular point in day there's none of that it's there's -- investment but it could provide people an opportunity to stay here -- an investment.

Appreciate the call let's go to Ron in Boston Rodney are next on veterans for a may have 680 WR KL.

Probably I'm leaving and anyone or if you meet -- next in my. Get a lot -- one. Many many million immigrants -- for quote you can be seen. Proposed to just give up is it that you or lots action or give me one good --

One good reason that they 86 amnesty program. Never counted for the future future aggression -- Iranians think about it ignored it that part of it or is it that they speak considered for the future ticket.

Iraq let let me -- wanted to -- comments rather not run Lebanon or did he went and now. Rod is my show are going to happen whatever the hell I want so. You gotta be kidman he's he is what -- said I got to listen I -- the -- avoids I get frustrated by this myself as well but he -- the 86 act. Made no provision whatsoever for future immigration it just didn't think of it all they did a political -- of the issue you have to acknowledge that out here in the outside world. It still remains a very powerful force to come to the United States of America that pressures -- you should relieve the pressure in my opinion. By having eight number that -- not for the outside world but for the United States of America is -- 400000 a year that we can handle -- process is it will be -- I don't know there's -- of people that -- who can calculate that what we can -- in what will not just to a -- culture society our our economy but -- Nelly says back to you -- in 86 the amnesty they've made no provision of -- you got -- say -- that's ridiculous -- that's not it that's not a rational reason of course it's a rational reason. Depression does not go way of the number of people who want to come to the United States of America -- because they find it as as as it is as impressive a place as you do what I do we have -- politically economically we have choice we have prosperity we have we have also -- the we have won a wonderful quality of life. Everyone in the world would want to -- the United States of America we -- free we have the right to set limits. But you -- Alley that his objection his observation on the 86 amnesty -- is a phony observation it's a remarkably true observation.

I you know I'd -- it could be -- a -- they just want to get these people in the country get them to figure which is their objective. And then that they think -- prepared. Bernard White into the country neatly on her achieve her into. Credible weapon state. That they had to wait so long they are worked out too great to get better. Spent money it would also equaled track in the -- culture and now we keep people opt out what is in the politics of the.

Rough ride round table pressure to college the points that you have made. Read ring very true we have that's one of the reasons I asked -- early on about hey what do you say to the people who play by the rules like -- wise than in any wife's family members one I applauded -- so you -- absolutely on the same page by the way with -- got -- a enforcement of the law in it in for me that's that's with securing the border. The -- that's now right now I'm talking about as well as any. New law the aftermath of the new law strict enforcement of its going to be immediate a year a 400000 yet that's it and you get in line and wait if you can't get -- in the first -- allotment you're gonna have to get in line and wait let's give Alley a chance to respond to be 80 yard discussion with Iraq.

It in well. This just comes -- enforcement -- has actually have a system that -- in force now or throwing billions and billions and billions of dollars at a system. But just can't be enforced because it's completely out of what Katrina interpreting things in mind reality. That we can actually have enforcement system and you know as an organization we're complete support of that.

Let's do what -- while alioto you've gotta go you get the Washington Richard sail again next unfit parents for a may have succeeded WR KO.

Rich -- the Cuban prisons and it was one city that they do not from India news in my local post office as well as the English as infant sitting on the counter. -- passport. I don't broke that is sort it all out but I mean obviously at the baby naming them. She immediately establishing citizenship but this 13 of 14 month old. I'm not I suspected so chopping them on compact with the company open where mother Viet -- Exactly grandmothers in the program a program I visited the little decisions about having the papers as we -- the two. And about 86 law you say is that it did nothing about future immigration it was a regular was a legal immigration are illegally on the department. Not so I mean not I was suspended from the start.

Because if we -- that the number of fees of up to an action and actual level that meet certain labor markets emissions. Then actually addressing future -- immigration future needs of the bridge

I labor market ministry as saying that to keep the wages artificially low popular with a -- the lawns when everything else I don't believe Americans will not.

At tech I completely accurate here that in America immigrants -- not taking jobs that Americans want to immigrants are taking jobs that. As wages are pushed down by employers -- to have you paid immigrants solo wanted in the bachelor which. We make sure that immigrants and now. In that position be exploited that originally.

Appreciate all of calls on this and with the Alley by the way particularly thank you could do that to you for taking the time controversial topic we'll stay with this. You can hear the passion of people's voices were going to stay on at an RKO we know you got a lot of work to do in DC and back -- in Massachusetts or stay in touch with us Sally. And we'll stay in touch with you once again Allen a running from Mira