Will Cahill Drop? What Taxes will Gov. Raise?

Right we've got. Really we have Charlie Baker himself on the line right now to discuss is very important issue mr. baker Larry -- Are current or you're not too bad who now now you're -- your campaign manager actually let you come on the air with me. You may have the fire your campaign manager again if this doesn't go well so the rhetoric then -- where it got it right I don't I'll get a hit man -- low -- that reminds you of a right to refuse to answer any thing I did anything. You have to answer this one because -- seat you're in danger right now losing bill -- these vote. If you lose -- vote you're gonna be in trouble for -- yeah -- portrait yeah because because he wants you to disavow -- right now disavow Bruce Springsteen.

I look at -- neighbors bring since it. He does not like you think that I think that there -- yes. The right thing restricted got a lot better yeah Charlie Baker -- router. Bit. I thought the writing -- magnificent -- have no idea where they -- the last the year.

Drilling really. See now I you know I just say enacted to be politically expedient year old -- that.

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Do you -- I think I think that's I think that's the last thing I bought two. But you know he's grating concert right you've seen many times in concert.

I have -- many that Binyamin. Probably the right people are actually.

Do you think someday -- that he'll write a song about you like you did about John Kerry got. Out. But -- proxy wants you to disavow him completely -- never gonna do that I know that you --

It -- about completely but I figure could you give me some wiggle room there are infected. That's all right well what about that thought I'd never heard that's our that's our.

That's a sorry about John Kerry really he had that I was not one of his stronger side and -- and I would have to say. Let's go let's talk about now about -- and in the Boston Herald today on the front page. You're leveling some charges asked governor Patrick's campaign saying his campaign. Is getting too personal I mean. What do what do you mean it's getting too personal as it -- this just politics as usual.

they look at the big library I get it I guess we drove I just -- insisting that I wanna talk about. The last four years the -- for -- that's the last thing they wanna talk about to give them have to talk about. The fact that they -- fact is they aren't they didn't get the budget under control we have two billion dollar structural deficit we get 300000 people out of work. Secure verification that the -- federal government. I mean it's a long list of what I would describe it bad decisions for the diplomats -- slightly -- could really talk very specific. Simply at all well what I would do to get this straight out of the -- that didn't get going forward together.

What do you mean exactly by personal attacks what are you referring to.

But look I did I play an interstate what -- or talk about the issue there are part of other stuff like caddy shack -- the other talk about issues some talk about issues. Joke because that's what people care about that earlier about every there ought to let derelict --

But doable one of the things that the governor is people who do you go back to you is Z you know your campaign -- are the Republican governor is is us is it has been running pretty tough ads ads as well.

But felt they -- him at the end of the day it's gonna be about anybody that but it will be about issues and we've talked about refused to govern increased -- eight I've during the middle of the worst recession since the Great Depression increase the sales tax by. You know comply to six point 250 absolutely yeah at all those businesses that upgrade the longer their true border and income governor Rick followed -- We can learn create intact right relic that -- New -- and in fact as to what my goal is to make less secure this state that the government here can no longer make but --

Well Leo I don't know that's gone from New Hampshire so. You know that now I understand that there -- not. We're -- yes let's go -- and decided. At what it didn't want to give us an idea of year up early on Labor Day this is consider the traditional kickoff for the election season. You're going to a lot of parades today I still water breakfasts.

February to a limited -- it's gonna work through that a dog bit. Marlboro -- that -- to a Greek festival. The Marlboro that we're gonna go to the -- show up the Lawler heritage park.

While. Such a busy day that's have been written make sure you hydrate because they know that lieutenant governor Tim Murray got in trouble last time we -- going to parades when he didn't have enough water to drink apparently. There actually are quite -- like everywhere it's sort for a really really -- or drink but it's not so it's not a -- but I I am -- you're held my number one concern Charlie so we're. We -- we -- keep does raise the line. What -- you're talking about the governor's you know they have as Adam caddie shack dad make you funny you had a actually a fund raiser. In fact they did look pretty you like the governor Rick -- is done. I thought you had closes ball -- the guy who played Spaulding do fund raiser with you.

We -- are we about a hundred people there. They are ready Clark gamely got slowly to Larry yeah goes certain -- Buddy Guy Phil and we're. Where. People did pretty well liquid product. And could -- you got a question about anything that you could -- equipped to let you Byrd spoke here they're Allard.

Which -- what is your favorite line from caddie shack. Oh no I record it there yeah just a Rodney Dangerfield -- said that I think not right that's right now that's a good one that's a good I mean might might might spare moments are brought I think Bill Murray you know and when that that they have the famous discussion with Chevy Chase about the pool in the pond that's my favorite line but he said yet at the pond would be good view.

What I don't -- extraordinary sitting there weren't gonna stop stop the floppy.

And hit him. In that ad they also play a little clip the view I think maybe taken by one of their campaign before you appeared to be yelling at somebody.

You are doing their job in Gloucester you know -- fishermen who is -- story about how we feel like you've been offended by Patrick administration and I said. What they've been doing still make and I meant it. What about your commitment to illustrate that laid down a bit about the fishing industry -- cute that the let the federal government. -- that put them around and put that industry on the brink of extinction and it's an outrage that they haven't stood. The federal government in the Obama administration and step up bumping up the basic industry veteran roster. And you outrage throughout our very -- that.

So you're just angry -- the badger people are making it look like you're yelling at somebody right yeah you know -- the record into -- rubber. Bullets not a big shocked that they would take something out of context right to -- where but a lot of people dues doing that these days I mean you know. -- you're a year you're campaign need yet produce a little web bad too I think that Governor Patrick had a little trouble hearing you know our fox when he -- anchor as well -- remember. Well what it what it give us an idea that you're talking about Labor Day is today in the big issue around the state is you know ironically it's a Labor Day and a lot of people are out of work how are you Leo we talked before about it's in jail but I am a jobs program. How -- how -- you mean they've thrown a lot of money with a stimulus money that hasn't seemed to work what what are you gonna do that's going to be any different to put people back to work.

Let go you know that that's its way to get people back to work if you create a climate for growth we don't have a Club for Growth. Going to look at the last four years what we got of the state not particularly although the vote. Is everything that is just that for Beacon Hill as a negative message about -- an investment and economic opportunity. You raise is a adult balanced the budget. Regulation and red tape let's -- regulation and -- say the message over and over again some of that Beacon Hill. The Beacon Hill is not serious about creating a climate for well thought you know what the local debate about it when that their electricity -- have the foresight. It's because the country. We've made a whole series of vocal we got -- is because that thing inside that does god. We -- great job and that's to domestic bad that the best way to do it. We won't get their fight back and spending -- very edit it in any given they've been out when the federal government is go to Roland --

And and and the big a big issue last week was a sales tax we talked about you know the governor seemed -- be reluctant to say that he would enforce. A sales tax cut if there was passed by the voters you say you would enforceable would never make things a lot more difficult for what that what you're trying to do.

Put my goal is big -- because they're spending report big government it's effective. Something that has not happened that little leadership capacity -- over the last four years therapy can help. Com and -- might do a book. -- you have talked about this before I'm 555. Oh yeah and compact back 5% business back to the other 5%. And they'll expect 5% but it the voters decide that what they wanted it 3% -- but I think it's incumbent on the other -- therapy can help. To deliver the will of the voters is look at their people warts cervical. About government. And having it is this invaded the -- but remember having. State officials basically ignored that's about two and a bit better at the garden battered to death.

That's -- reminds people what happened ten years ago. What do when they voted at the income tax pull out about what.

Always thought about yeah better you know the governor -- the -- for years ago basically saying that he wasn't literal or will be -- compact back to 5%. A -- you know you're gonna love the motor and then say oh we what do democratic primary gave -- adore them and import them. Among other reasons because it is Korea is there and against brilliant contact backed by respect and detail that you talk about supporting getting into expected 5%. Until he decided he couldn't beat the governor to democratic primary in January this eerie but at least you -- that in effect backed by the that's pretty late to the party.

Well you know that's said that that you bring up a good point there but that's two and a half billion dollars I think the sales tax is if it's -- you would lose. That's a lot of money Harry Harry you gonna make that up.

What they -- billion dollars in our database I'm over here that is live in serious proposals at all. About what I would do the cut state spending had put about a billion dollars worth defending on the table. Eric they might you know what I would describe my local -- as a pretty good start. Both they -- of the court the next few years it spyware and the lawyers didn't -- contributor dramatically changed the nature of the -- big government work. Because it's long over due to stable state. Does it affordable or -- the bloody war not a wanna create a climate for growth and economic opportunity we get those 300000 people. Well work back to work.

I think -- he may have a question that's not related to Springsteen -- the bigger. Yeah you're not there yet plays softball. OK here's here's a good question where it's a softball question are you happy that this country is free. Yeah. Yeah through your route and over there. Good good answer will be back with Charlie Baker Tim Cahill made good governor is gonna be solid -- on WRKO. Stay -- And anyway. This is Joe bag fell normally with fox 45. I am here we're talking about politics it's the kick off the Labor Day weekend a traditional kick off of the election season's been going off for some time right now we had Charlie Baker and right now on the -- let's we have. Independent. Former Democrat Tim Kay hill. -- Mario.

I'm good note I wanna ask the question of people listening at 530. In the morning the labor gave more.

I think oldest -- I could. And we'll check the numbers I think it was a lot I think there -- a lot of people who actually have many people who probably never went to sleep last night towards getting home from somewhere. I think got to the big part of our audience. And Tim where is before we get to the serious political stuff we're talking about campaign -- signs and greatest songs of all time you have eight. Nominee for greatest songs of all time or your campaign theme song.

Well we don't have seen so we're we're kind of conflict between -- One at a bit. Guns 'N Roses welcome to a -- now whose injury that is in your right hand held I don't know what you know it's a little bit but -- and -- in green you know go. Yeah -- don't back down everybody uses and then everybody uses a ton -- on no. Well it really didn't have a pretender and and well like everyone out though could easily without any particular what effect on the moment the --

Could you could see in those ice I have a suggestion for you stuck in the middle with you remember that Steelers -- saw on -- And it's bit annoying parent -- more but it says clowns Celeste and me jokers to the right that might be you know your son or they're torn right at the debate I don't know. What -- let's and out all talk about that later. And what what so we're gonna who you have a brand new web ad I guess it is out today let's take adult -- was doing that right now.

It's about this volatile enough to do their job and call special session to pass the casino bill. 151000 people won't work next month because Beacon Hill is playing partisan politics again. The gamble whether economy with big games and now they take five months off while our families are hurting -- rock and as your governor I get it done.

it's this this ad is is basically trying to -- people are fed up with Beacon Hill but honestly how what could you possibly do to get. The get the legislature back in session -- do anything could you.

Like it do anything now that as a candidate for governor possibly maybe shamed him into coming back. Get the governors think surreal like it is quite yet -- what political. Issue that Hillary ticket he realizes that this is their jobs are what this election been maybe he'll probably come back. I think -- you basically what they're up as -- government got to move a little bit he was the kebab say. He would be willing to take the legislative problem might it come back tomorrow without. --

Right I know the governor has been asking for that and you'll -- you've been up there for eight years. As treasurer. -- what have you done before this student to get this to try to force the legislature voted to pass a casino plan you're really on board that -- until recently were you.

Know certain thought I was the first person who spoke out in favor casino and public officials back three years ago about six months before governor. -- would it and it was remarkably similar to -- let -- it's called or destination resort to you know. When the economy. Took it yup I came back out and getting the ball speeches that make you put what you look commerce. And talk about looking at slot machines at the racetrack today term very great. A full scale casinos because the economy. What they don't allow for full scale casinos to be built because it cracks. So I've been out front of their well before the governor or even members of the legislature. In I haven't been able to get it got a -- I could move the ball forward and we got the governor thought this -- right pretty skillful and he came up it trying to work. The move the second cut because he kept open that the football. If -- like -- if we can do it felt -- he pull back its inarticulate let people watch. Two casinos all two slot so what was flawed I don't want for war blog that I don't want any. So I don't -- Originally I was supposed to be sued because at this image that thought it would do lottery yeah I studied the situation and realize. It would hurt the lottery that badly in need of more revenue for cities and -- I became a proponent has -- Capote. Took at least 2007. At the debut in --

But we're talking about going back -- last election in in the last race for governor UN Doris -- specific part of the Governor Patrick so a tax plan let's you'll Cyril let a little clip of that from for --

Like the state treasurer have. Has looked at all of our proposals insisted my approach to this is the most fiscally response I'm I'm in favor --

Now is that true. With -- what was the court it was democratic gas tax or any other property exact answer yeah I admitted. You know what it's it's on record ever run away from that yeah. In 2006 the government said that he -- cutting property taxes was more important to. The residents of Massachusetts and restoring. Income -- I've forestry fire directly -- it this week. Property taxes as he promised security even made an effort to cut property taxes. We plug would be in the restaurant today you you know our minority in this race but he went against these products. -- but I believe like it a lot of people will agree that. It is the most important thing which once you. You know we -- what you can't miss it you get him down here and he promised that that was gonna be eight -- sit here. It'd never why it's -- you look back reformist but I -- the time it made perfect sense to try to cut property taxes as opposed to. -- act now. I realized that it probably not gonna happen anyway. I've got an. Local thought this so you don't expect.

A look at -- Looking back on that didn't don't you think you VA -- you wish you would have said hey cut the income tax and so the property tax of that time.

Now I think cutting it could've cut property taxes and looking at people's pockets. It money people's pocket they can spend that money to invest that money. What cutting off at the fact that we can't what -- realized since then that it would -- promised that probably was gonna be difficult to ever execute. On his part in one that -- as much power over is beside it in even more important what it won't really do -- work to do it.

Mr. -- mr. hale. You say your floor for cutting all kinds of taxes normally what are the specifics of September I want specifics now. I want it. And how do you make the last revenue from the tax cuts.

Job growth will make up a little -- revenue.

The thing going to be some programs you have to get rid of now he had the cut back on some programs that you have any specific. Site they got. That's generic rhetoric -- getting you need some specifics I mean yes I wanna guy I can't run for government to say I wanna cut up cut everything with arguments specifics. Everybody says that stuff.

What. He you know again you gotta work with the legislature. Make sure that whatever you want it got you can get them excited as well because you're one of three. People on the school. I would like to -- Spending our transportation. Like respect like we cut spending -- school building it still expects transportation problem I think it's a tremendous lot of weight. It transportation projects which studying for a program in designing wrote that -- no chips that are being built. And yet this administration keeps pouring money and we're borrowing money to save forty. The governor will borrow billion dollars over the years to pay employees in the Transportation Department that's something that will stop you.

And that's not a lot going to be a lot of money. Today compared to some of those tax cuts that you're talking about when to make up.

We're talking about under and it doubles they'll lead over the spending so I mean. -- you're -- met the guy got that they beat the bigger jail is there any elect at least we have to grow the are. We can come around the corner all we can -- the -- that it raised taxes around -- but the end of the day without grow the economy is not gonna get revenue. Would you in 2007. We brought it -- 41 billion dollars the revenue before the recession hit because he had four point. Because that simple I and -- Beckett got -- it real well. When you question your rate can pick out exactly. It or racing back to the bring more money you have to -- part of.

The one did you come out and supported income tax cut. What cynical when when. We're at it when this entertainment about the previous yeah.

Well now against the appreciate it it would work to separate -- that are important. Incredibly compact. In my my what it important to blow job because we're almost that all important it's important not excited because we're gonna pretend that important. Cutting income cutting their property -- with probably more relevant back in 2006. Because before struggle with their property taxes and that hurt people on fixed income went there work you're not working. -- economic growth. We got to create jobs wanna look at it will do that I -- commit -- in Vienna this date -- suck it up but right away it will blow rabbit.

The way you'll want to and other things of people are sort of angry at you about I would I would term it is that you're still in the race at all. And that the argument is like you're just became more and oracle. While a lot of people are talking about and and the fact that you once were a Democrat and you'll only switched. Because it was politically expedient for you to do so would you would do if you're running for governor. Would you still whole of that abandon the Democratic Party.

If I would out there that local that they're Democrats you'll never go back to you Democrat -- in there's nothing Expedia about trying to run for governor independent trust me. It's the hardest thing that they knew what could ever do -- it's ever been done before I -- principle when the governor raised taxes that in. July 2000 -- 2009. Without looking -- They rate income but they're sales tax which was hurt in the alcohol that's. Which hurt small businesses and hurt. -- and pop restaurant in just hurt middle class people. I don't want to. Run as a Democrat I don't want the governor as a Democrat because of this bear this in the needs of middle class the working class people so it wasn't for expediency. Out because stressed it would have been easier for me to run as a Democrat. Possibly win the nomination and then wind or at least compete for the governorship and you wouldn't be needed because I did it because. I believe we need independent leadership to run this state not party policy --

But it way it will at what point did you come to that conclusion because you were obviously considering running for governor area when you did it I'm more than more than just considering you pretty much decided on --

All decided I left the party people like decided in their waters he would fight if I thought they had a chance to win. In that study had a chance the government -- into the conclusion that I would have the opportunity to do well after I left the party.

Well that's and that's can be so that people are gonna have to decide on November the one of the things that Terrell.

I don't I would and I mean I could be an act but -- the first Briton who switched parties -- and which party. Be within liberal Democrat or -- like we can certainly probable its. With so what part because. So it's not something -- it's -- he has not been. You know without principle behind it -- not like you're making government work better so we get people who done it before lol like security in. Connecticut it would elected governor elect the Republican Party and as an independent would like to govern itself. They'll like that -- might -- work which pardon it is now an independent so I wrote the realm that if I believe it. It is the future let it at future fixed sites on the -- appreciate her outfit -- well it -- well I figure that seem more important because people are fed up with the two party system itself which. Democrat being Democrat Republican it Republican. And the rest of our suffering that.

But I think the point that people or make it was you'll will be in treasurer for eight years you are always a Democrat and you'd you'd -- did speak out sometimes. Against other Democrats but very rarely.

So I don't think so I don't think it would everyone's favorite Democrat to be honest I don't know what the governor in the -- people. David Democrat because they speak up I spoke out as early 2008 about spending in the state of about that is it about the need to rein it. And they're like it like it I spoke out about. Reining in health it cost which is no single and asked if you're up and there were up -- so.

in you're in this race this day to your not to you're not going anywhere I take it nearly citizen. Even -- even if she should drop all the drop below would into the single digit.

There's the pollsters and not gonna determine whether or in this race was that they take -- manipulating the -- like that if they're what we. Let the leaders it's not in honored that could do all that at a stop there are other industry my number how the rest isn't manipulate the pool. -- We don't even know the basketball would either they used. But -- interests -- support strict number which in that case submitted blue which is up. For more it was early this summer Mike -- particularly ones that have consistently brought up. -- Recovered from the barrage of negative attacks that they -- have to make -- we -- In there that now may eighteenth my -- double if you believe the ball I don't know I do. But got all that yet now it -- 31. And now what are -- very true pretty straight -- seven who is now 38 model numbers are the only what -- collapse since day. If you're out there -- fault -- is cool so both the right direction not the right direction and we expect I think. I will -- Google or go -- to win this race.

I mean pounding Rasmussen manipulates the numbers we dealt with a prologue time but. What they were doing was there were kind of forcing people whose side would you say I'm not quite sure it's a blog you really had to decide right now and they push people and say. Then what and who would you vote for that's -- you all have been no pushed all when he says something negative about someone to get down. Too good to go against you.

Well let's let's let people decide our government sector rather than us. December 2 but before they even had a chance to really look -- all right let's say I agree beyond that -- drew yeah people. 50% of the people still wrote Saturday for. What's the rule you out but that -- secure as people. Right now live at an adult you put them know that voted Democrat or Republican because that's the -- secure. That they added to its gonna be independent candidate would have -- with money would be -- would field operation. That it will. And I think people should have that opportunity. You put that it was still devoted.

Mr. -- help before. Or do you think Deval Patrick deserves to be reelected. If your candidacy would word to effectively allow him to be reelected would you drop out.

I would not drop -- under any circumstances. I -- he evolved after all valid.

And I thought it was -- seem -- they took on Howie Carr the other day. In an opinion piece in the Boston Herald your but he was busily making the argument that your the spoiler. Won't win you know obviously made a calculated decision to it to take him on -- has quite a following what. What's specifically troubled you the most about what he was saying.

It was a calculated decision well the opportunity salute to write a piece -- peace and that. Just commenting on bunch. Are we in -- world summit was a little tongue in cheek so -- knew it was. They didn't spare it was meant that as many I would call on he and I just want to let people -- widely in the race in why haven't helped -- it. To the two parts indicate that people should have a choice. You never get a choice and I know a lot of people complain about what's left the the primary. Situation is that they have not. Do not need in need especially need to work in middle class people. You get the Republicans and focused so -- it lets you get the Democrats focused on solutions. -- the big government. And the rest of in the middle there are we could it would take it. -- to bail out the ball it's all gonna bail out the government. In the middle class is always the one left holding the bag in the no one there represented and so I want to -- how we as readership. In the folks sit there at The -- and everyone else know it is it recently being -- it's not because. I'm trying to spoil anything -- get the -- have to be elected that's a lot or whatever but.

Now do you mind if we take a guy call now number OK we got were shell on the line we're shallow hole you're on with some jail.

I killed at KKL. I don't Fredricka this is good and good morning.

And you're now secretary of state. Led to an adversary that.

I would act of technical level I think part question until marriage. For simply couldn't if you. Definitely it April Tim Cook and keep them galvanizing into an open and can I can -- for a ballot shouldn't. I bet the people could vote on YouTube wouldn't be for the people's rights and bowed out there and it is. And if that people actually got a ticket and vote against gay marriage and this though. -- and then I'm having problems the country.

it will -- what I would you sign into law -- people glued to people why I believe in the -- the people I'd vote I would side a lot of 3% back if it out. It would do my best implemented. I believe I'm in favor of gay marriage and one. I do believe people should look at the right to vote for I wasn't -- voter in their case so. I'm making that statement after the act it was not a lot of people regard it turned out by -- by the legislature. I don't think company can't be even put on the ballot for a couple years because of the way they did it. But yeah I generally in favor of letting people vote I think people of Massachusetts -- supporters. And it it it got popped it. Bring to a conclusion. I'm very divisive issues are issues with this is what a lot of emotion on both sides but it that was the one mistake -- dead issue. People or not allowed to express their -- but having said that -- I would do everything in my power out like the official. To convince people to -- they won't keep. The right at people -- whether they're in the same -- difference.

Sorry we're gonna take another call now John -- on the line with Tim.

Good morning that the drag her -- at the start. I you know I thought I'd probably don't want -- I thought they approach the ball. A bit you know you can get yourself is said Ron Reagan changes party and in imagine Winston church jail and and Mayor Bloomberg I think you're probably more are. -- category employee. Closer the Mayor Bloomberg in either of the other -- not come away from away different era. But I -- you -- it just a few minutes ago I would add I was waiting I heard you say that. He in no uncertain terms you think Deval Patrick deserves to be reelected however. If the polls. Okay and forget trying to parse it -- and get -- eaten -- aren't they -- they gallop who tradition but in 68 years of doing polling edged. Tended to be liberal if anything if you -- categorize them if they came out with a -- next week the week out there aren't really that said that it he had no shot. You would stay in it and let governor the -- Governor Patrick being reelected. By -- essentially by not pulling out including -- the.

Or you don't hide your rhetoric. -- what -- several as a clerical thing to tell baker that's the only way that you can win it's great to meet all out we can't get a deep and -- and I don't know -- casino resort let me the let me say something back in 2000 schools in general people probably don't hear that anymore. There was before liberate the trigger in the two cable deliberate. Three or four months February that it -- it where I could raise money -- what appeared to be okay. With a we could go out ten days ago there was appalled -- we'll get it for their mother Carol I was in fourth place up forcing it very. -- Would the other day Illinois that was much different than Google did I want to know what you were 36% of the vote because people -- decided Soviet. No matter how what you try to -- a whole lot for.

Brought that was a much lower approval IRA and the world don't know that you don't know I I know that much you know. I think people have an. Could drop out on the moon 37 -- other -- seven point oh me but could.

let there are ladies you wanna buy side. Yeah well it was behind by seven points with two weeks to go back in 2002 here in O'Brien if people gave up every now and also their though -- Oh just what people would -- right to vote.

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Bidder is would you describe mr. -- I'm a recovering alcoholic 44 other states and the District of Columbia tax package -- okay. Every other current state in the union except Massachusetts. Has civilian black people your personal Europe Europe -- police -- tales. And the last I don't -- is the only 10 lead story. -- come out about that 35 million dollar gift to the city largely been Charlie Baker I haven't heard anything about outweighs the money.

the answer and then we knew we knew we got another blown up you up like a mildew and it voted against that bailout. So what has spoken out about it and I voted against it. I didn't know I wouldn't have allowed their -- governor I voted against it as treasurer. I don't believe we should be taxing alcohol flight. We -- not -- and hopefully we should play -- without it we need to stay competitive with other states people gonna keep it in this state.

By Tim thanks very much for joining us as always we appreciate you calling in okay. And right now since funny timing we have on -- one of -- opponents Governor Deval Patrick governor. How are you more. Good morning good. I like I'm gonna and so on take him on -- on my own. Good -- Edwards is -- it's a big Labor Day we've been talking a lot about the campaign -- if they official under official to kick off really. Of the election season you got a lot of parades the noted today or breakfast with John you schedule first.

I'm going to like about them lay out the morning in just a few minutes I'm going out tomorrow -- for the parade. And you know it and -- around and looking back at that but will surely be -- had already been a bearded.

And that's and make sure if it Tim Murray is with you make sure you hydrates okay yeah yeah. There -- would -- one of the stories -- the big story in the Boston Herald is -- Charlie Baker. Is complaining that your campaign is getting -- all and making some nasty personal attacks. On him how do you respond to that.

Well I think that it earlier and all -- baiting that. Almost everything you know I've been called everything that a tablet got it just that in this campaign -- I -- it -- I. They it is entirely appropriate for the response we sat. -- That you have it was coming out of recession after stronger than the rest of the apple while we -- First the basement student achievement that was first in the nation no help here peppered. And for our resident then -- alternative energy initiative and it also looks back at Eric baker as the boat every single strategy. -- that delivered the result. So you know there -- airlock -- like it is reconnect at the -- about about about keeping it yeah I think.

You did you do you don't you don't have a prominent firstly because I know you were kind of friends maybe a little before this campaign.

Now I think that you know I that you are public periodically to the person who's running for governor not the -- and I thought I knew and understood but you know. People will -- Anything in order to advance himself I just don't think that spirit but I'm.

You thank you think he'll say anything at this point to go at it.

Now all I think that it just not true you know right here all at the shark in the out there. -- ability to do business in this in the apple update you we are ranked. Sit in the nation. -- that place you visit by. Business leaders from around the in the very thing that they like you. But -- at the -- you that this doesn't think that would be that it appears that apparently. And in care.

But I mean you have to admit that what -- big issue in the race is the economy and it's not come back the way a lot of people had hoped it was.

Well that's gonna nationally better let it out there who they were growing at twice the national broke break Jerry you know. That we've -- over 60000 jobs in the private debt in the last few months the low in July at the largest single -- private sector jobs in over forty years. And Marc Ecko gave sped away at Domino's innovated in street and in any manufacturing that we have emphasized. Which we -- you know different than any other. Public unemployment goes away correct -- you know spinning out of Atlanta railing about how bad it it it. -- joint and actually been doing it we're getting no result better then -- the country we have a lot more work.

Out of about. Yeah I mean yeah you know you talk to people around and around the stayed in humans still very worried about their jobs. Very worried about the stock market in the economy it's still over 9%. Even even in Massachusetts. And right and that is it do you think this stimulus worked.

I think that stimulus there's been a huge out but I also wanna say that you know I worried that those jobs -- I know one other thing that is true about. I eat I have been and -- I think you and I've thought about this before. For the working -- They've been a tough shape for a long long time it's different right now is that. For the middle class. They -- one month away from being. Who and -- or left in some cases in they're really anxious that that even people would make -- the same map this year. That they made last year are really anxious about the future this -- you know and start jump start a lot that I didn't like what is that. We can't just all around and one thing. We get a -- simply emphasize the strategy based on educational. On in the nation and our infrastructure. That is getting result. Except that the that that's what we need is -- not that bad if we wanna deliver for every hour.

You made some news the other day by sort of bits seems to me anyway like your kind of head -- when you're asked. Whether you would implement these sales tax rollback of the voters voted for it MI wrong to say you're hedging on that.

No not you're not you're you're you're right to say that. That I'm hedging let my point is that what calamity. What eight calamity you know they they're -- that I get this done. -- little woman of that company had visited them in Chelmsford have a week that you go and you I would have this employee. Appreciation days. I can't get the walker added that it was a wonderful company and -- And well the coming up below -- belt or -- You know in the 32 Belichick he -- I think people are. And as -- woman came out to be guilty debt that is certainly like widget entity data that might back. -- that that net ware issue we start Q we have. But at issue we take advantage that no not they're at is that it's more. And I looked at bat out it's it will know that make an outlet that for what it will have a public -- Point is that outlets you have a real conversation about what the -- it up. Lately that we'll get it back -- that we're not having it --

And I think people you know. And I think people understand what's gonna happen but I mean though the player who are you actually suggesting that you would not enact that if this fear or try to block it.

I think the will of the voters that to be respected Joseph wheat belt no I'm a bit and some other way. My point is that -- responsible leaders -- responsible candidate. -- speaking gate with the public about what happened or not but as I hurt. Throughout what you just hate lady say that the public is it is prepared. Further up but I don't think that paid out one small example of what let me remember -- that we expect there are almost -- billion dollars that states that. In the last all of the year -- debt while the that you remember it was too. Yes we can remember the only state I think in the country that supports a public it was after the food and we're. But with only one at a time when there's so much stress on not -- here -- services for people we're out of -- I -- the week if not eliminated but we do but I think pretty yeah I'm certain air outcry. Could it hurt around the -- So poignant that people are ready I'm not sure that's right they're it they sit there's a responsibility -- candidate. Pat could be. Well here with people straight with people about what we're really talking and I think that. -- cutting all the you know he's -- acrobat to date in the different. Is that more.

But you have to cut somewhere I mean you had you have to make the decision at some point to.

You can you can you're exactly right but Utah and somebody was cut more at stake spending any --

Mean we should babysit maybe should target the zoo at the Statehouse next time. Instead where -- we -- yeah. But guy big guy big bill -- he has a question for you governor on ending the galvanize one to ask you -- sale the sales tax holiday. Good morning good morning how are why -- why did you do with cells that tax holiday.

Because they could afford it this year we couldn't last day and latter retailer -- actually it's been built vetoed it not unanimous the Baptist. I come back to that but I would they overwhelmingly. Retailers like it particularly. Whether it has been at the fact that people are he it -- yeah. Great way to encourage eight. First you know failed at that time that normally slow.

Now when -- they can -- if you roll back those those taxes -- a burst in sales all the time. I mean can't how can you compete with -- New Hampshire and other states you talking don't have -- to ourselves coming out into 5%.

Well let me say we completely New Hampshire right now. Are we here we are still back even with that with that one in order that. That is what increase. It lower than most New England states that are lower than you get to that. But here are the thing about the choices that we are making your other balances that we try to strike Iranian. -- But that it was support for our public education in her for help here any bet that the need to be made that cannot.

How do you how do you propose. Heidi proposal on closing the budget deficit them without raising taxes do you you have to raise taxes to do it right because he knew -- made the case CK cut anywhere.

Until it got -- not listen to me I. Cut four point three billion dollars after spending -- it.

In the past some dog in the future what he cutting in the future will you have to raise taxes.

What you have a look at this budget -- connect at. In it it's that what the point -- I've already established my bona Fides out setting but. At some of the others who where engaging won't debate this political rhetoric but not that. Yeah the rate -- spending he built the rate -- spending in this administration task well let -- turn it it was in fact. The budget our I understand very clearly the that they that they have to be made but -- to edit that if they're. It's human being but I know but I don't -- It's a meal choices in terms -- what impact is. People lie about it it bases but I know but -- black and said that he built.

Now you're you've got some upcoming debates which data do you think this campaign is going be increasingly get nasty take on a nasty tell -- zero you know Charlie Baker is complaining about you making personal attacks -- much or what he's referring to exactly. Well you know you have some fun with some web ads in caddie shack and things like does a stunning begin -- can vote voters expect this again increasingly nasty.

I hope not Arab not to -- real great year I think we -- have -- better. More positive more forward looking some real quiet -- rather than just sit on the sidelines and rooting for failure which is what I hear some loud yet -- Let them hear Leo let it -- got a plan is delivering results at that I don't but it will continue to give -- leadership position nationally --

And governor one more question before you go what's your all time favorites on.

all sides say. I'm here to get back to the earth wind and fire earth -- done several new blue Guns 'N Roses and then. I've used. I like them at like its ordinary people lump like John Legend -- that would. Don't -- this fairly new right it's fairly yeah but it sort it out or if they seem so this is that in.

Sillier is campaign theme song that was four years ago right or it's. All right governor -- thanks very much for calling and and I really appreciate it. That was governor Deval out we've now.

This is what I don't understand you don't plan is is -- gonna cut some things that I want to cut to zoo but the people stood up and they got outraged so I backed down you know be a leader. Cut the monkey sorry I get -- the -- got to know so then my property taxes don't go up just you know what. -- later -- and governors can sit behind the podium and say what everyone sorry but the Al-Maliki. My -- I'm not sure but I believe that the legislature.