Gay Judge re-instates gay marriage in California

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Really simple goal to -- the real. And it's not they're not present day. -- lol hey hey Steve.

I have got some great -- I don't know who -- very much like listen to an additional Jesse then we'll. Really -- the former governor road but -- that strained gravelly quality low absolute level it is that I Hulk Hogan but I think Jesse Ventura. He got that courts. Of their cards I owed Jesse he thinks so we are okay aren't good enough -- a bit also is doing a conspiracy theories that big gay marriage ruling on -- hill.

For an -- federal judge there who is a homosexual. Definitely and they would now require army should Avery brought up on charges for having heard the case no I don't think so no usually recusal is if you had some relationships some involvement with. The price it would not do have to do generally speaking out on personal bias which is Steve with your own status and your own not. -- you know thrilled yeah I don't think so. And thanks I mean he may have. I -- I know I've been gone activists my whole life drama MMI judge and then suddenly this case signed. -- writes I don't say you know I've I've got it clear bias in this site might might impartiality could be called an questions are should hear the case well I think political activism is different than your private. Tell us suckers they are surely lol in the days out of my -- secretly.

Hit his well take a while I'll take it to hit to a different degree if he was. In law in a long -- relationship with somebody and wanted to get married and they had some -- somehow or other they've expressed their intention of the design and then I think -- have to step away a lot of judges will actually put it in front of the products. You are your example would be all I was a gun activists for twentieth Sonoma on the bench. And if there's a gun case coming -- you put in front of the produce and ask it is is is is everybody okay what do so recused myself if anybody has an objection. Now -- and then. Sometimes to produce would hesitate because. To ask the judge to recuse himself he brought her self essentially says so if we don't trust you thinking on this one Iran. I don't two.

Boy I think he should recuse himself what do you think 6172666. Seats exe would courses should happy judge make in the gay ruling in California. I find this kind of shocking. This is when just what the guy in the bar when CNN went into the -- and asked what they thought of the -- says hey gay people should make all the rules for you people that's Howard Jameer and that's what happened does he -- that's what happened less than heterosexual community has stepped aside this instead and have a in interest than viewpoint to prospective remind me of George Michael who gets arrested every couple months for heaven gay sex and in his car in a bar or whatever. Okay he becomes a judge you want him here in the case. -- come on George Michael in roads. I. In robes who would be better the way you'd be likely to get. Mike you're on WR -- good morning.

Dario I like what's going. A stormy -- drug in the fight game they haven't. As an expression what this was. Not to hold down this year and ensure you know all we know these people unbelievable. They're arrogant. They're absolutely despicable what they did door let it go into our constitution it's this big -- much -- in this case this surge of California State Supreme Court. This thing did this just referendum passed muster with all the legal expert so if these people I'm not gonna quit. And by the way I illustrator Shirokiya. Al-Qaeda and Taliban they look at social. But -- it marriage don't want to know whether they're right or against us it's a terrible thing and -- because of beat notably record --

I should also look at us and they were dumb that we just can't run anything. You know they they must just sent us a sense of bizarre anarchy. About our system. Which is somewhat correct there and is not only art critic such as al-Qaeda the Taliban and other. Adversaries but our friends and allies around tough times dismayed by life from the good old USA. In the you know the on again off again the fits and stats of a public policy or social policy here and these other things that disadvantage.

With the idea of same sex marriage or at least agree that it should not be banned by the state of California right now it's huge and super expanded from seven -- Jackson --

We -- to keep moving hard with it. Missing even really be an issue and the fact that we have to have these conversations are bad but this is -- is really great really good news.

CNN went to a gay bar. Falling court's decision at kids to. To share. Their response there on the court decision notice they did not go to the archdiocese of are definitely a hot Hollywood have faced not -- serious scrutiny for that up. --

They're guys couple things out yet they go again that the while they do it they legislate from the bench because they don't want they don't trust anybody other than their other than our own. Tom let me ask you this supplied charged -- now or going to be a lot of and all other -- works quite. How would they don't have lost my charge to make the -- will get married there if they've marriages -- right and charges perform marriages are they -- go to Catholic Church to say none none none out equal you have to marry those people.

Let's always you know that's always been concerned in the states that try to implement this by the judicial real source ya -- they end in your right to be all over that because I know that -- Catholic Church is where did you so that -- Catholic Church. Give up its involvement in adoptions there a huge adoption. -- what are your they give it up BI and they did a wonderful job -- any newly.

Giving up I -- not good -- get a good should have been a consultant. And one other thing about that's how about we don't recognize that because our next step in my name in the state of blob blob blob. That's my name hello we the government get out of the marriage business. Altogether and it's between you and whoever -- wanted to -- and you go to the church of your choice they get -- a minute no right well my name wants someone else who -- the vehicle I don't like that kind of marriage and then vice Versa the government shouldn't be an American business. Believe that it you know you'll 200 years ago to -- there either down.

Well but it's a basic organizational thing it's like did -- it's like government being in the dog license business they have reasons. To create organizational reasons Arafat are.

We got -- that the public safety thing they do -- how many dogs throughout their because the straight what they have the text there and I don't catching people are numerous sexual.

Saying they're the same reasons what I'm saying is one of the things we do with government is to get us certain. Tasks performed that can't be done by individuals and government has the authority and they and they reach to do so if if organizationally. We decide we want marriages to be registered so we know who's married. And by the way we also have a ton of benefits that that accrue to those who. Go through the marriage process then they did it was an appropriate role for for government maybe it's not anymore.

What other issue which opened up by this gesture is the whole it's a whole issue of polygamy. Bigamy polygamy and at what point I mean it is allowing Omare Lowe governor can't rush at least in my opinion -- it does say. That debt that arrangement it's not blessed are recognized the sanctioned in any way I don't touch -- Utah's admission into the union. Was predicated on the end determination to end statutorily. Polygamy.

Then when you bring it up -- say all that'll never happen all that got total spot -- But but no it's not gonna stop here because someone's got to assume somebody in -- we kept up state like California they're gonna win. And it's gonna be one -- that all this those aren't gonna go we legislate from the bench that's how we do it you people are stupid. Your name mean nothing on any of these government document only this started --

But -- you know what I think your first point is maybe the solution to pull government out of the --

Yes they have no business putting my name -- some -- marriage licence the -- don't. I don't condone that -- they've got.

we're really trying to carry our our thank you Jeff. Six point 72666. -- to see you -- sat six a immediately city's eighty Tom has his series glued to the screens are ready to read something clever as soon as the screen lights up my own car except for his brightness that's this thing is in the convention. It's fine if you wanna have called the power -- problem is that all of you are right news either move the mouse and the trouble is the mouse is controlling two screams and jumps across and -- totally -- Law totally baffled us look at these are thrilled that -- start your NW RKO.

Yeah I think it's funny that people have been -- bad argument that somehow the church will be forced to do weddings. Added there's our armed Jewish I cannot walk and -- church Catholic church and demand a wedding. Obama Catholic I can't demand a rabbi to do my what it's not how the system works just fear mongering.

Well why -- so I say let's say you're a member of the church and you want and they get married in. And you go to the church since I wanna be married and they say no they do you gotta -- all Suton.

Understand now Obama Catholic. No I don't want to get our if I wanna get married this summer was -- face and I choose to not take the pre marriage course district would say how. I can't so there is -- with a -- between religion instate works spying for protecting your religion. It just doesn't happen.

But -- the Catholic Church here locally made the decision to drop out of the adoption placement agency why because. Well -- finish because the state was insisting. And insisting. That they place individuals with gay and lesbians the church says that violates our teaching that violates our principles we won't do what I.

Five they were any business they were gonna social service they were not. It -- their religious activity of charge having reservist mask they were doing something in the secular world.

Well that can hardly French yes I know I'm I'm I'm grasping the point daddy make me understand the distinction that you've made what about.

Okay let's go to that. I can't just pick up that. Put a plaque on my property if they are charged in instantly become tax exempt. There are very specific groups everyone on both sides of state versus religion have to -- jump in order perhaps certain benefits.

Okay and do you think that the gay and lesbian community will not make some type of attack upon let's say the Catholic Church. On the tax exempt status because.

The now -- I don't think they have done it put more data -- better for all these years. The attacks generally speaking out fitness goal area but emotional psychological. Come from the extreme conservative religious groups. Not from the probably come. Oppressed by what he religion endorse this -- but GAAP. You're only Hillary to say religion that promotes -- files you're always target these conservative want to say that women resources subordinate -- Many many Christian base have no problem -- yeah I think now.

I'll agree with -- statement around many dead do. They're up plenty -- do not and not just the it's not just Catholics they're hot ultra orthodox. A Jewish sexist. There're plenty of Christian sects all the Muslim faith is adamantly oppose he has this violently -- Violently so has Doug called before like you did you -- he's got a wonderful condescending attitude towards -- difference I -- hot. Doug called -- weekend he made a he made -- varied it's -- Catholic. Comment to dude and so were I like his disdain for you continue to -- not grasp. Mr. street cop. All your WRKO.

Point. We again. Station but yeah we got a little bit yeah you you colleague judge. Could not choose themselves up if there -- okay well. Unfortunately. There to be given not gay so -- have to use it -- it never have a judge.

I disagree I I don't know that by definition being heterosexual gives you strong feelings about gay marriage but the idea. Of being gay living in the gay community have -- people in your professional environments know that you're gay and facing the peer pressure. That comes along with -- for example are Richardson say. Who is go gay state senator and as a candidate for lieutenant governor on the Republican ticket. Is -- I I think was influenced by his gay community's support certain things. That he wouldn't have supported if he wasn't being intimidated.

Don't get -- it would if you are very strong. The Pope Catholic judge judgment in Korea. In the Catholic community in Cleveland and dramatic immediately puppetry or not but that's that's really only in my head of others that that the bigger you wanna -- is. Up Sasser what had used this great and I think it's very appropriate we screen the cultural -- America. We really if you look to other cultures don't Q how extreme be at the bottom. I think that Saudi Arabia or in Germany or -- this shot babysit for -- society -- people who almost. Suggest that's 88. Fascist view -- We -- the com. Are so. Diverse we are being crushed by the way it it'd be here.

I disagree I don't think we're being crushed all by the weight of diversity I don't even think through diversity is problematic. Clinton were being crushed under the weight of a political party the Democrats. They do politics by dividing people. What they do is they find groups of people who are. And then they see is some way that portray -- as victims and then they glorify their victimization. And try to force them on their everybody else so there's a normal progression of societal change going on. Let the definition of diversity. I didn't know it doesn't ever -- with a big. Is people living their lives it's not a problem.

Well no more way people living their lives have led to this led to this clash nobody. But -- the -- who has some community without anyone without any prompting from the democratic. -- establishment. To gay and lesbian community said you know what. We'd we don't like having a live in the shadows we do we have these loving committed relationships. Why are we being denied the same things that our brother or sister does my RV rentals business colleague -- excel always be.

Arguing for more oil creates the problem is that the Democratic Party. Has as supporters those who had bribes with either money or special favors so narrow they're pushing disproportionate. To what anybody in the society thank -- be going on for certain Russa gets certain benefits.

They used to gay and lesbian community brought the arguments that I just made. On that -- made those arguments on the wrong behalf in favor of marriage as an institution available to them on the same basis and it's available to me and you. And they got a more sympathetic response from some democratic officeholders to Republicans that's not the Democratic Party engaging in some cannot. Manipulation -- electorate they huge they were portray what's actually going on here you've got to close partnership between the gay community. And the Democratic Party so that the gay movement which is different from real people that -- movement is a political entity trying to achieve certain goals and they've been given disproportionate -- in our society because the Democrats see them as a critical base so they advocate for the disproportionately. And it is -- but what you described -- secured over probably the better part of forty years -- Due to people Barney Frank in Elaine noble. Who were gay or lesbian members of the Massachusetts House of Representatives and take take your -- back if you can't. But three years ago I think what the -- what the what the society was like and what -- reaction was to gay issues is like those people freaks those people we had blob while -- it was just completely hostile entirely negative. People over number he has met -- work with Barney Frank a -- noble said she's you know what. Hadn't been pretty normal guy pretty normal gal somebody sent at a ballpark -- not --

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This too much freedom national talk like instead of anchor babies -- maker gave people. That would he's staying like our guests are about I'm not sure what is that there would be such a huge movement in that direction. Preview of coming up. Word you know we just did the last twenty minutes we're gonna do it again. But it'll be even more exciting when your cost 617 and you text message to 66686. C up. Send -- a taxis look at your screen right now 68680. Say something mean listen to this one from just six of three area code. What's wrong with women being submissive so this of the -- changed Abbas doesn't mean that's that we have automatically got to see -- we love about New Hampshire. Thomas Todd six AB WRKO.

Basically what. Judge Vaughn walker decided that prop eight was unconstitutional. So there's eight and 2012 before this whole thing finally wraps up. But it's nice to be on this site is right again. Those search for truth there's a number of amber and measurement -- forum live golf. But it's nice to be on this side is right again. -- return here to California this bill doesn't pass -- law it's unconstitutional is wrong that you're gonna. Yeah but they can't win because you can't win when your wrong. You we have we have we on the right side this argument has she.

You can't win when Iran school. What's gonna -- of the -- how are very nice of -- torture hung out of the ninth circuit. Below are what are we -- old puff puff puff puff puff -- like gave judge yeah so is gay marriage. -- happens that the prohibition that California voters voted when they voted in revelation dropped eight proposition eight. Is unconstitutional violating equal protection and rational basis he says is knowing -- rational argument can be made up. Now for the state infringing on the natural rights for -- America. I find that to be a bizarre rule. No matter which way you feel on this issue. Strikes me as a bizarre rule one of the four judges who voted that way here in Massachusetts there was a 43 vote you'll recall. In favor of gay marriage Rebecca -- he has no one of the four. Came to the same conclusion I think it was judge John grainy. And I I found that out of the decision handshake and because like I do think there as I said earlier there are multiple rational bases. Upon which any state of the people at the state might say we are going to restrict marriage to the traditional definition of one man one woman. There may be equal protection arguments and other constitutional arguments but not a not a failure to pass a rational basis standard tomorrow at 617266. Exceeds sixty by the way. All lanes are now open on our route 93. But if you're in the senator to Linksys guerrilla fast you don't dropped through the -- the theft hot hot we actually had a couple of votes Stratford report yeah. A couple of text messages -- ask you from pot holes -- your -- are we're ninety -- of 200 miles an hour recommended that in order to launch a little -- us. Got its coaching united this morning and worked -- it's been patched. And it is that they -- but it's a functional paranoid they throw went I would have -- she's a plastic you have to assume that put down some IM. Or steal -- steel -- and then I don't -- asphalt on top I don't think Dennis do budget right now for steel grades Eric you're NWR -- there.

Good morning guys already opened on America could put them I'm -- jobs like this -- big cap and I was married didn't. 98 -- and trying to get married -- the church and the church denied me the opportunity did it in the church. The actual marriage I want that to try and I'm like -- so we get the church under the right outlets. But at the same time but what about that the woman that America would not that I. Would not recognize. Somewhat what they look fine deemed appropriate. Married and recognized in the church now and you know so you know churches don't have their right to be able to say what are we can marry you we get married we don't -- you -- I just don't understand. There I guess I'm conservative. I get this through my one issue that I have a liberal I'm a big start taught us why aren't I really don't have a problem where it. A man and a woman and a woman being recognized by that date as being in the union I think what people get -- in -- It because they look at merited a -- and -- not argue it. That's the -- got their religion and Britain government then. Good the public should not be in the benefit of recognizing marriage it. But they should be in the event recognizing civil -- and not where I think everybody get picked him up and I have no problem what people deciding that I'm an out. Think direct relationship I want to get married. You're gonna have all the rights of protection but I think you don't even deeper than just go to the actual -- the belt but more vote. You'll be -- individuals who I am committed them relationships for years and years and years. You can get to the point where there's hurt yourself cover terminal that these and they get under way that -- the fairly and the right to -- that individual from coming into the hospital. From being part of their very. I'll eventually have to look back there I mean and it goes much deeper than just. The com. -- so the right of you know look whose post is that what America is among American marriage to be a sacrament should be looked -- this religion. And their ability unions should be left to go to the state so you get married by a judge -- civil union.

your relative to get rid of marriage across the board on the state level. And have the state just due -- a simple contract that two people are joining in a civil union. I don't -- where would you take away the event of tax benefits and things like that.

Well I've two I haven't seen any tax benefit simply got married a second I'm the government -- not need more capital deployment when I got married so. He noted that could you go to when the guy who renewed bracket when you get married don't I mean everybody got.

I wonder what could -- one of the gay arguments for gay marriages that there are 128. They throw some number round of how many benefits. Are granted by the state to some people get married and they say we deserve this -- and I say no the reason we give benefits to heterosexuals. Engaging in marriage because that's a behavior where do we wanna incentivized. We haven't experimented with gay marriage for a hundred years or a thousand years to know that is something we should be supporting. To that level so you might -- too bad people who are gay and want to live their lives together. Deserve certain protections under the law IE. They should have the right to make decisions for each other in a hospital to be admitted -- little capsule that's different from saying you should get tax incentives true -- show tax incentives saying please do this behavior. We want you to go ought to do it --

Rents and acceptance is why leveled the other level as what you call the ideal as -- even the incentive does nation. Of certain. Certain institutions certain relationships and -- and it's absolutely in my opinion within. Up for the appropriate realm of state activity. Two week incentivized the ideal social arrangement and thus far at least up until we get these court rulings. The ideal social arrangement has always been seen as one man. One woman no one man and fifteen women not fifteen women and one guy. Not a whole you know -- Korean people living around and -- bounce and into each other from time to time that's gonna. It's craziness Steve your next atomic time --

What I got a welcome actual all right all you do great thank you have. Our. Yeah. I keep target the -- can be and very -- and you know I've been married and you and I haven't seen one -- yet are we gonna tell you we knew we you lies in the slums and you -- yeah. Well. I can. Why the yeah yeah yeah there's -- shares shall we played very yeah. I know I -- now I know the government should people bedroom I agree with doubt but. You know should be left of the people of this state don't vote on -- are made by one person one judge what are. One opinion you know it's it's really to the people of how they wanna go okay. You know. You know anyone can -- I am you know what you wanna encourage. Well what you wanna marry a woman you know they got that right but it should be -- people state voting in not one judge.

But it but -- you understand the objection of the gay and lesbian community when they say wait a minute. Fundamental civil rights and that's how the describe may have marriage. Fundamental civil right should not be left to wait popular vote popular the reason we have a bill of rights is because the founders -- popular vote. All sorts of things could be you know religious eviscerate it buy it by an intolerant majority.

You know what sort of you know page status post -- runner has its own country. The way actually you know and then I missed time because some you know I'm not an expert on the but surely to the table you know -- immediate hit Bowling Green as far as the majority of people out of trouble out anyway you know.

So if the voters and a state and what's just -- South Carolina is an example decided that term black should not have the right to vote. And that did there'd be segregated schools rather than integrated schools the people having that sovereignty of the people South Carolina having their own self sovereignty as you've described it. No that's okay in a federal judge should not step into that.

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And I didn't vote victims who are afraid noticeable here and down. That's thousands of gay men across California -- saying right now all crap now Columbia.

O'clock o'clock hot. Well let's troubles freedom. You know that's right that's right one guy's been bluffing his way along -- relationship. Pledging his internal undying love no ha ha ha ha I think god is down baby. I Jonathan you're on the air.

It on the job. Out wobble or drilling partly -- to make it has been married -- you -- it -- to any group of other people. You would do the right part of it up like. While like all the majority thing and doubt I'll explain why that strong. They don't really know your -- or rational and why do it. And I think that you know hopefully.

And it is is there a rational reason against. Polygamy. In --

Com the applicant paintball but don't get married and immutable reasonable argument. And they all while. That might lead the other marriage who don't like quiet.

No question of their being a definition to what marriage is before the history of mankind for the most part marriage has been. A man and a woman being joined in union and we have solidified that in this country with. A long list of benefits that accrue when you get married because. We think that's an important institution so some of his special interest group comes alliance is known on -- we deserve. To change the structure of what everybody believes marriage to me. And here's why and once you allow them to take that liberty. Then dollar groups. Can use the same legal premise and ultimately used dismantled that for which the institution was created the first John John of -- group called -- a group called -- blood that has really kind of a perverted affection for young you know young men. And and adolescents and and think that they should be allowed to engage in long term social living and secondly just like any arguments about Chris.

Your clothes back what. Again like that just don't get regular what what are all of our. -- interracial marriage and our state marriage entered Plackemeier. Traditionally marriage -- up between two. People who Lorraine you know boat they're. Tradition does not make an argument other.

Bright idea I think it does so -- are -- trying to say I don't think the fact supporter which is why. I believe -- trouble articulating that -- text message from based. I think it's a gay issue and I think I know everywhere in the world ever in this country can vote but. I think it's a gay issue and I think that the heterosexual people should defer to be. Homosexual population and say what you guys wanna do -- we will do. In addition to calling us at 617266. Exceeds sixty you can text. Just 86 -- and -- they sure -- tax and they got text for most of this 171. Period coach how has a person's sexual preferences civil right. You to a guilty of mixing up here arguments. Do we sit out. Well I said that some members of the gay community -- think it's -- about. You change inside no not yet okay you're not gonna become a -- depends on the ninth circuit ruling Thomas -- six AB WRKO. Your home for Paul Mara talked every weekday mornings from five starters from -- classrooms talks vision AM 68.

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Tom what religious basis is here against gays you don't follow the other laws of look good at this site exists and Jesus never said anything about homosexuality. Peter did. He did. What's the point -- Vegas exist I think he's pro out of action accusing us perhaps -- of being -- biblically. Selective -- curiously enough I haven't mentioned the Bible are you passage from the Bible all morning won't know what I tried because I don't feel particularly around the literate. With three got two of the Bible.

You don't ignore the book of -- viciousness. Half half half I don't know why we're ignoring all those other books 6172666. Seats -- judging California. They serve ruling on gay marriage are -- title curious that. I may add that to me that calls for -- Leonardo scifi curious huge decision to overturn. The will of the people California's what -- 35 million people it's a -- yeah -- I don't know what the number was for presumably. 568 million people voted -- I heard Michael Savage say last night that seven million Southern California -- million people have voted and I want to guy gets to make the decision overturn the will be glad you -- you understand that the united doesn't matter the number -- and -- trampled upon a fundamental. Civil right and then finally got I think Israel one guy making the decision the seven million people oral brochure I as a result they thought about those numbers Yahoo! as it was 44 judges here who made the decision. That is gonna has established a new order. For six million Massachusetts Arizona wanted to pack the courts officially the end for whacko judges to make a whacko ruling. Is a much higher standard than just one and just judge who happens to be in the bag for the people that I don't know if he was or not. I'm just saying that I did that that the way Democrats get these policies done is generally in the courts. And they have pursued a system of packing courts with their kind of judges the gay and lesbian perspective on this whole case was argued by two very very well known attorneys. One liberal one conservative Ted Olson I think as the -- drawn from both sides of the bush 2000 jobs big election exactly exactly and apparently be you know I think. From what you had heard what you would read tried YouTube UTU were informed that. The defenders of traditional match. Really were not particularly. Convincing in the yet in the case that they put forward but you know what they had -- on third menaces to lawyers even though there are from opposite political persuasions apparently they have a very loving relationship how long term and committed installations crystalline and Jackson WRKO.

Good morning -- good morning good morning. -- your commander Scott getting government out of marriage and the marriage bit yeah. I thought iMac and my understanding would be -- government purview would be civil unions and religious organizations because she would be marriages. Do you think of someone a couple traditional couples get married both in. American civil union has kids twenty years later get divorce. They get divorced in the government. And the would probably be quiet in the religious and then. He continued to pay alimony to -- aren't required to give her health benefits. Then she did -- To get married and the religious organization but -- decide not to have to respect that marriage be disappointed -- you know that her husband would have to pay alimony.

that goes on right now people just live together and don't get married in order that they can keep collecting their alimony. Right you're describing basically the same situation.

But that this is the difference would be that few women who don't get remarried are the ones for religious believes -- choose not to get. Not to live with someone not gay marriage because they need alimony or they choose to get married and give up Gallup now that religious reason it. There removed from.

Do you do churches do. Marriages that don't contain the civil paperwork portion. You don't have power best announcement. Another -- together so they're missing out -- big business I think need to bring you still need to produce a license you do you -- search for church are sure why do they do that. They're limiting their our growth potential -- I don't I don't think they see themselves as a fortune 500. And polarized so thank you Christy for bringing up the issues inches executive. -- Nelson you're on with Tom taught.

Followed a more general and one Nelson. If -- It's gonna help well we're sure they have relation sort of let them they'll vote which state that was weird. Yeah. Both Jesus Antonio mine is so accelerate our. Thank you who would you say. I just don't do what it says no we're off it just always says it's only about my proposal Qaeda public relations.

Well the Telesis OK okay I got you. So he's against came our turn to an already -- Steve your next good morning thank Comodo.

Hey -- and Steve don't know it is people like oh you know -- read you know traditional marriage redefine marriage. The problem is irrigated marriage has a definite. It's thought that this state Indians make up marriage and to say this I don't think they -- return right. It -- it was already established we know what Mary did it but then as they eat there at this site it would certainly right there. You know -- or not. You've seen it definition output so whenever eat people want as their relationship if not -- And any other thing is about -- right this -- is black people get very upset when you can you know edit this play -- I heard one black immediate -- very funny. Our fight what -- get -- get beat up but up -- base model. Back. --

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You don't think so I think I think now I see it -- see I think you've just opened up a whole new realm of the discussion Steve and I have I. I think everybody is given this some thought is it eight choice. -- is that something would choose to be part of a class of people were you know you're gonna be chastised and insulted then and otherwise. Cast away by the larger society will live there if you can avoid but there -- me this huge movement to fight there's somebody there are some people today think it's not only entirely fashionable. But it's a nice way to give yourself for social and cultural edge. That's now that is -- this now popular -- 2000 my dad let's Dell is slow failure mostly talking about girls are girls college or something like our you know have a girlfriend for a couple years this is school. And then they go on and they live a normal life but it is to have off 5% or whatever it is of the population fighting. For the choice to be gay because they think you're gonna be fun -- it's hard to imagine that it would have survived through all these centuries and the fancy -- that they uses immutable you know races obviously in immutable characteristic you can't do anything about it you bought white -- black people on some kind of mix of the -- and that's immutable. Is always been this -- agreement as to whether gay and lesbian choices lifestyles. Orientation -- give us a choice you know it's a matter I I I have I'm actually probably coming more more to the immutable side I don't I don't know I kinda think the way you think on this one. But -- who would choose this. Voluntarily not that Iran comfortable with -- but that there was a that the you know that was seven years old a seventeen years old I decided. This is your people and say when -- like four -- five they they knew he had that they knew we I don't understand that that they now. OK coming up we're going to be talking about guess what. First off we are webcam -- we do we have to a jet owned by the way in our web jams we've got Louis -- due to Arizona -- you say his name properly sustain our parents Gutierrez who's very out front on the illegal immigration thing up. And he's gone after Lindsey Graham because Lindsey Graham is talking about the fourteenth the -- moral breakdown -- an all out of course.

I -- about that just one moment and this seemed to be -- fundamental contradiction. Between being pro life. Programming and then -- there then can there be any more in this man child.

Not only anyone say in the children are guilty is the parents who bring them over and you don't wanna incentivizing behavior now do you. We'll talk about a replay of the park's web jams coming -- with Thomas Todd.