Destroying the country- one state at a time

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You're having -- take your -- knows your old dressed up today I think maybe gonna -- some. Gazette now some -- to churn out a way that's a little -- going there's no funeral how grateful for that they -- says that zero the Electoral College now. Ha ha maybe -- kind of -- rather easy they are your college would be laid out that that had Malloy is funeral home. Visiting hours dutiful you know that's the -- you might.

Have to change positions on it. By how so well because you wanna keep the electoral college and instead that if there's a funeral you won't be celebrated too well you might say a prayer for the resurrection no that's true you go okay but you've got all the angles -- and fiercely -- the reason we're talking about the Electoral College is because the legislature passed a measure that would. Make the state of Massachusetts part of a conspiracy to undo. The use of the Electoral College even. As there remains constitutionally. In place isn't it great to wait Todd presents -- such a fear that's very balanced Susan that was the most accurate description has. That's his that's part of Clinton's speech that I think those are great. How are surfing the founders' intent and they'll write what has this gradient does that says it's legislator. Comments -- read our constitution. Our -- here from common cause Hammel welcome thanks for coming and thank you thank you for having me through so why should this particular part of the constitution be ripped up along with the others.

Hey this is an application of the State's rights under article one of the constitution to award their electors. As they see fit. The constitution. Gives that power to the states the founders wanted the states to use that power in the best interest of their own. State and in fact had a very different vision of how this is going to work. The vision initially was that it was gonna be platonic guardians were selected by legislatures. Who would draft -- there wouldn't be any campaigns -- we've changed a long time. And in fact we've morphed into the situation because state law which in Massachusetts has changed ten times. Is a winner take all and most of the states in the country two states do a congressional district allocation. -- But because a winner take all it doesn't matter if you win anything more than 50% plus want. So Massachusetts. And two thirds of the states are spectators. They do not participate. In terms of getting presidential visits in terms of getting advertising in 98%. Of the money is spent in just fifteen. States. That is true for a bunch of elections that hasn't always been true earlier I heard -- mister Fenner and saying Wallin. There have been times where in the past that hasn't true true demographics do change over time Massachusetts -- sixteen Ronald Reagan a couple of times wrote Joe I was up. That was a landslide victory. In the sixties and seventies Massachusetts. And New York were both swing states we haven't -- swing states and very long time.

Then what is the downside of that -- you give us what is it 80% of the money gets spent a 15%. -- I denying the 98 -- 98189. What is the negative impact of these. The balance of spending that means that. You know if we want.

Participate in presidential elections if we wanna have an impact our votes in Massachusetts. Are basically. Taken for granted.

We go to -- go to New Hampshire if far activists want to do something we call voters in Ohio. We call in voters in. Florida.

There were a few presidential operatives in Massachusetts that they're jobless solely to export money. And to export. Volunteers to other states if we had a popular vote.

Our voters in all voters and all states would be equally important we're -- but I.

Her -- result would be different for example if you. Massachusetts is already gonna vote for Barack Obama say if you go back two years so you organize people here to raise money. And the item on the phones to call people in a state where maybe they don't have the though the activists that they well I don't see how it changes.

The difference is that margin matters for the popular vote it's no longer state by state it's voter by voter. So every person in Massachusetts every vote for either party. Is added to the total to the vote nationwide so just like. Speaker -- former election just like every other governor in the country just like every other. Chief executive and -- in the world every vote is all added to --

Okay so if I'm Barack Obama now I'm running for president and I have a new system in which is popular vote instead of just Electoral College that means. Yet I go to the states were I can get. But largest percentage of the votes and I camp out there. Why don't like go to it was a great anywhere near state where I only have a shot at ten or fifteen or 20% of the -- is in the state it's -- voter I vote immediately tried it out by other means effectively the same -- a media markets would then be your findings --

Well I mean I know it's a good point I'm glad you raised that.

Media markets. Not clock radio went for example TV is more expensive in New York.

Voter by boulder then it is and very small rural media markets.

Price for TV is about the same as a radio here so if you're talking about reaching voters. There actually is sub premium on going out to smaller air I value ivory I.

Assume that your stats are flawed because it it's. There're there are places where you can reach the voters which is in big markets we have a high density of people within range of the TV stations. And then you have. The rest of the world were people are dispersed and they're just hard to reach so there's no TV and rural America there is TV but there's not a cohesive communique is say take New Hampshire for example. New Hampshire. Part of a watches Massachusetts. Part of your watch is channel nine part of -- watches Vermont TV it's a splintered world marketplace if you wanna reached. A high density of of voters very officially come to Boston and you pound it out and Boston.

He don't it doesn't it because it doesn't matter if you worse splinter -- because all the votes are put into one pool all it doesn't matter under the current system and -- But on Arab popular road system every vote counts equally young and the candidate with the most votes.

Now -- but in terms of going to get the votes you're gonna go where you can have the most efficiencies and re reaching your voters so if you have. They've -- you have a Massachusetts the Democrats are gonna campaign in Massachusetts New York. Florida. California. They're gonna pick a few places like that because -- high density of voters. You bang it out on one TV market and you reach a high percentage of them so your efficiency goes.

Remember -- or Massachusetts to campaign within 128 and sort of appreciate it I'm central -- and that's a joke.

It's hot -- you what it in in terms of media. It'll crowned national ad buys in terms of television. -- and I know that reaches everybody when you're selling Coke or Pepsi you don't just advertise.

In the big city but yeah everybody and everybody's during her book. Everybody and design trail Barack Obama but everybody votes for president.

Known -- saturated. So you -- you find your voters you find the place where they lean your way and that's where you investor money let's listen of Barack Obama's campaign manager. And see if he agrees with you that. Once you -- already the Electoral College he would bring the campaign to all fifty states and empower all voters equally. To be part of the process.

I thought that's what kind of campaign when I run the popular vote system. Well it's gonna be -- it's going to be big cities and know these big suburban areas.

Big cities big suburban areas on the coast -- Dakota goodbye. Goodbye America. Good guy midwest teen gymnast John McCain so campaign manager he might have sent exactly Americans we pick Electoral College. The thought. Pamela Martin as well us from. Common cause she's arguing in favor of the Bill -- passed yesterday by the state legislature. That would try to circumvent. The Electoral College Jeff you're NW RQ what -- Wal-Mart good morning.

Yes good morning air mellow guy Jones caught up -- OK -- trip -- Going to the popular vote it's more about states rights and cable package -- distract. More about how long it -- content. Like where where are you want about the TrueCrypt go to optical -- about -- stage right aperture could go right to be there aren't perfect they're all right --

I -- in Massachusetts has the right to do this yes and in fact -- many conservatives. Prefer. This method of changing how we elect a president to a constitutional amendment because a constitutional. Amendment changes the power. Of the states vis A vis the federal government. This leaves the Electoral College in place it reforms its operation but it's still up to the states to decide. How the manner selected if we don't like get analysts is something that. I disagree with the Lewis -- with folks here.

On what will happen if not are if it's -- Republican wins the popular route but.

We can talk about that later but ultimately it's still in our pants. States can't change they -- change after the fact that is against federal law that is against the constitution.

But they can't change.

There are one election under the system is now like.

As our next question you know still upset about George Bush in 2000. Well -- Quincy Adams and how about 2000 Jackson suddenly now stands for. 2004. Wide.

Where John Cary. Was ahead there was not very close in Ohio. -- only 60000 votes could have shifted in he would give -- the Electoral College winner. Despite the fact that George Bush was close to three and a half million votes ahead nationwide up. If -- been on the other foot I think we wouldn't be here very different comments from them I don't wanna re I don't Electoral College what -- prevails.

And ended it once you get down to those kinds of numbers what we saw in Florida I think the big education 2000 one's. That hour of voting systems are not that tight. That once you get down to a certain point in -- closeness you can't tell who won anymore it's so it's a wrestling match at that point.

Well that's actually another very good reason for the system. 500. Votes should not determine. The outcome of the president that I don't valueless I don't know how you escaped that and there is so much pressure. In those battle -- states have you been aired during election I have I have guys saturation. Is the saudis EU EU literally cannot take a step to put on a television turn on the radio station. Without being. Bomb about it I need is overwhelming so to that point about the concentration of resources. In so called battleground states. Help me understand why don't let's just that we are -- maligned dog -- senator should definitely when they can't pay for lieutenant governor and M I guess critic gonna we have credit and that's why I don't know if it's a personal animosity or just political but he wants to challenge you Pamela mark from common cause hi Richard.

I like I am I gonna tell -- result but when it comes Canada. You can read always strive it's still I I gotta tell you this is probably the dumbest bills that has been custom maps is the but just but it -- what it is gonna do it disenfranchised. Massachusetts voters because you could -- 90% of the State's voting for a certain candidate here locally. But if I go on national candidate oh win another candidate when. Masters voters. Both are gonna and that sort of flies in the face of what you know the argument the it was made in that. I don't look at the 1972 election Massachusetts would've had to it's electoral vote for Richard Nixon. You know as opposed to start with.

Don't let let me just explain this Richards ever really gets at the with a wade this law would change our elections is. That the misstate a Massachusetts would agree. That whoever won the national popular -- would receive all of our electoral votes even if our state voted the opposite.

Brett and you know then it is so it's saved it to every argument the required in other states that worked so well there's because of a system that was. There's by the founding fathers and what it's done isn't sure that everybody who runs for president pastor of the together and national coalition. And rather than having a regional candidate there's you know somebody running from the so you've got 90% of the vote so. That's not enough to win the presidency you have to go read so go to vote question. And what wind up happening is to start doing your sit by the candidates so. Well and in New York City though right it was the ability and -- so what the rest of the country there won't have to sort of typical of -- on -- There are some of the smaller city and -- the whole armed. The whole compromise. That the founding fathers put together to ensure that small states were represented probably in the corporate. Also a collection of the president still has worked well over the years which in danger right now.

I actually -- a couple of points that are I think important to add to their rejoinder there.

On the founding fathers. Gave this power to the states and they gave it to the fifth the states to innovate and we have done that and tend to.

Give us the states you do that yes in fact now they say -- winner take all was not not moved them -- do we need to go back may mini two.

Look at what was original which is the state legislatures. Appointing the electors you correctly I -- friend -- platonic guardians and love that phrase -- and I like I got to -- I mean clearly if we -- our hundred for example there I didn't date and the legislature knew that. The party was the was not gonna win that that they wanted to put in their own folks today the legislature could do that. Richard Tuesday could be completely overrun and they sending out we think that McCain is gonna -- our state. Or. Governor Romney in the next election or whoever we're not to let that happen we're gonna put in our folks they could do that that is within their power to do. And bush V gore affirmed that others other rulings and -- net that is not Tom. That. And so what our proposal didn't. Is actually on the David counts which is all Election Day and in mid December when electors can get together. That is a time when people have basically. Forgotten about the election. A Barack Obama was not the president collapsed on mid December is president elect on Election Day. That is the days that counts yes the electors have a symbolic role but it is merely symbolic it is much more important that our voters participate in electing or not electing a winner. Rather than it is to have this rubber stamp which by the way our party. Aficionados. Are appointed by the political parties. It isn't like a democratic -- slate is gonna -- on compelled to their heads and said you have to vote for the Republican or neither Republicans that would go in December and cast their votes. It's also on the big cities argument I think that people can inflate a lot of things earlier on the show I heard treasurer Tim -- they'll say that we --

Small states a small state state versus thirteen -- population in the nation. And it takes cities people think oh my god they have all this population. And nineteen biggest cities. In the country and with Arlington Texas which is. You know are relatively small city votes Republican -- number of them vote Republican -- depends -- you -- are you -- cities by media market -- by actual population by urban area by actual population in if you -- and media market some Burt -- it you know -- you probably -- fairly evenly divided vote between Republicans and Democrats the center cities do vote --

Nevertheless -- the same structures from in mighty will work out your popular vote model might work out where. Republicans and Democrats actually pick their own regions. And none of the they don't move they don't actually move their campaigns around because they have so much of their population tied up. In a small number.

Place increase every there are being get out the vote effort everywhere governor. Schwarzenegger didn't win California by just campaigning in the big media markets. He campaigned everywhere.

George Bush is user Republican George -- Democrat. You wanna win LA San Diego spinning up the whole thing nailed I think you can. 6172. While you don't have to campaign in San Francisco Akamai 6172666868. We're talking about the popular vote. There is more from David plus Barack Obama's campaign manager on this topic.

So we'll talk about sounds bad players plus. You have popular vote and you're only getting interviewed operations. Oh well what he would he would know -- our -- Do we have a winner take all system were popular -- system. We wanted to and I had a chance. Well of course not well shock it's why would you waste your time Pamela why we love is here from common cause we'll talk where you have me fired back taken coal breaks really excellent all I've got no avail coming up when WR here. Grade disagree maybe it is like typing out vulgarity is text him through 686. In god do it you know you want to. -- Todd but they have such a VWR. KUK stack --

Well it looks like the national. Popular vote is gaining some things and if successful will completely change the way we elect presidents instant electoral votes in will be nine popular. Let's -- take a look at how that would work in other areas of he agrees 2001 when the New England Patriots have just defeated the Pittsburgh Steelers on these boards this seventeen and should be on their way to the Super Bowl odds despite winning two games in the playoffs the Steelers are heading to the Super -- to play the rams because they had more overall blowing. 44 to forty. Here is 2000 floor in the Boston Red Sox have just wonder boy games to New York's three making them. Be decisive winner but I do believe they -- we no longer -- individual games and since the Yankees have scored more. Overall borrowings 45 to 41 familiar itself does Saint Louis won game one of the world. Series -- generations Bronx ball players.

Tells you everything is okay is about individuals dangerous. Oops I mean games. Whoever scores the most drums come on it's only fair yeah no individual popular vote.

Can you tell it could -- doesn't like this idea.

I also have to challenge -- Allen yeah it's one election it is not a series of you know in this series of elections we have fifty elections and every steroid we have fifty want elections Nationalists in a district to -- olina held onto their vote. It's using Puerto Rico. -- doesn't know they're not that's next -- what has talked about the Democrat Republican tension on this new status to tilts on my off the it'd be health policy and as if they heard. What happened to new York and just to give it a little context. I read in the -- greatly with six and call us these -- the states that voted for itself but Illinois New Jersey Hawaii Maryland Washington. All predictably and right now. Automatically democratic that's right. And now Massachusetts predictably automatically democratic why -- Republicans see this as a conspiracy. Cash being shut down his throat.

I Iberia but you know end Derrick Derrick is a lot of understanding amongst Republicans and all the states and in fact our polling numbers -- 60% support across the nation and from Republican voters. And in the State of New York on the bill passed the Senate recently. By a Republican photo of 22 and support out of a total of 27 members it was initially. -- he'll bite Republicans. We've got 40%. Rip Republican support in Michigan about 30%. And in Washington I think part of this partisan lenses around the 2000 election which is unfortunate in the past this issue has been a bipartisan issue was supported by Richard Nixon that was a constitutional amendments it was slightly different.

Mean I just leery of letting Democrats anywhere near the constitution because I know the the disdain that they have for around this is fundamental premises at. By the way -- CEO -- has some interesting data here he says cities search countries that do popular vote in he has gone Iran Vietnam and Haiti. Can you -- Mogadishu's asks if we should make America more like them and choose Arab leaders are things so great over there. Pamela I was sort out well tennis here from common cause 6172666. Seats succeed in Texas at 68680. -- you're on WRKO.

Good money and the first of all the Electoral College served our country well. That gives each State's equal rights which put it that way okay. Now as far as I'm concerned common cause another leftist movement rooted in our colleges and universities. And wanted to expose to the people listening this morning. What the rat tat -- catalyst that is common cause fights for.

the top ten causes that -- can thank you Russ we'll have him do that.

Well ethics in government didn't tough conflict of interest laws.

Financial disclosure campaign finance reform on more disclosure adds some of things I know Sully your listeners -- support in terms of.

getting big money out of politics. A more open and transparency and government.

We actually fought for the Obama style transparency -- we actually fought transparency and then meetings -- in the public records law updated in a seventies.

The Freedom of Information Act was -- the first things we did.

So we were started by a Republican. And I who isn't John Gardiner. -- And detect Brian knows where to look for it I -- yeah who knows. Ryan knows the word last would you say cooks that's a -- awards she's looking for. Well I thought that collects Tomas you're the only argue with Pam from common cause high.

There are. No one thing that's very alarming is that. If we're really concerned about the popular vote but eight to ten million illegal aliens who are always very democratic and they would absolutely dictate the message. Vote we would be doing. Driver's license checked the all. The fact that. You know the less cute seat -- senator without a joke too deeply -- The left can't enact any binding referendum votes that we do here in Massachusetts I think eight of them have been summarily dismissed out of hand. The left plays with how we replace that senator. The left wants to go to popular vote. The left wants to do nothing at stake games and weeks ceased earlier you think you're academic but we see through you and we're not gonna let it stand.

Thomas thank you for sharing your veneman hostility. It's much appreciate it.

Any response fan I'd just say this is not left this is not right this is a a movement that trance pets where does that come from it is is something you guys decide on -- on a common cause search.

Did some other ruling that -- you this is something that we have supported.

At getting rid of the elect -- does not get rid of the Electoral College is a different thing but having a popular vote. There a couple of different ways of achieving that but having a popular vote is something that common causes supported says the seventies -- Are we in 68. Of course George Wallace came very close to throwing the Electoral College into the house are represented -- and I think that's one thing that most.

People don't know what Alex is there's a very funky. The way of dealing with -- there's no absolute majority -- panel electors.

Is -- the house gets. To decide who the president is between the top two vote getters each state gets one vote regardless of their population.

Carlson where they divided delegation.

If they can't decide. -- the Senate decides the president between the two that's the vice presidential candidates. It it would be a crazy apps -- system on -- in the stand agent and that came very close to happening even this election cycle on and September. Hands -- August. Into a little bit of October the map is completely tied nobody had a majority if you have a third party candidate with any real chunk. -- thing I think Richard I wanna go back to said well regional candidates. The Electoral College protects us against that is absolutely not to your true. The current system the way that people vote is pretty much. The west and the south are 88 of a -- And the coasts and in upper midwest are block. And it it's it's not -- you know it's not and national thing a popular vote would be and national movement.

George Wallace did get a huge chunk of the south.

I don't know them percent totals. But. If you win the south by 90% you're not gonna win the popular vote. And George Wallace came very very close to putting in into the house or arms and his that was his goal so that he could be I king maker now.

we do not want to be there and this proposal would protect us again well George Wallace is not a lot of evidence of -- or problem that needs to be attacked. Rick you're -- WR kill.

I've got a question Korea. Why absurd as their representative. In congress. Would I vote for any farm subsidies or anything like that I would want all the money to go to the city's. So the people would be happy with me so I would get a vote. And isn't that that's really the reason that we came up with the Electoral College to begin let's.

To balance -- force a balancing of the new respect for. Individual states.

Right and then why would they support any kind farm subsidy at all I don't understand.

Yeah I think that's a good point -- making faces like that's ludicrous but it seems to me that this does focus more attention if have a popular protests in cities become. More critical and we already see -- power politics is being distorted. By the ability of Democrats to funnel money into the city's social programs that are designed to keep urban areas dependent on the government because that gives votes to Democrats in the seems to me would only enhance that lets talk Tim I don't like him might not be your intent but. Well it seems like a result that you can't.

from president voting for farm subsidies it's congress that votes -- farm subsidies and congress a state by state. -- party I worked out -- does not gonna change there -- support for farm subsidies based on the Electoral College or not the Electoral College what in a faxes how the president works.

And in fact of the president -- his party -- pass to conspire to develop policies that take care of their basis that's our problem justice doesn't country a couple of points.

On president's it is an even about campaigning just during the election. After the election President Obama President Bush. Under President Bush. Ghost to battleground states that's where they travel for most of there and and their activities as president. Ari. Fleischer said in the -- Washington Post just last year if people don't like. President's travel schedule they can move from a safe state to lists links and com. He is it's not only just the travel schedules it's also what issues do they pay attention to Rust Belt. Hot issues to floor not a PBU professor here in Massachusetts. Just did a study showing that if you're a battleground state. Your twice as likely to get a disaster declaration for the same kind of an event and -- no argument there are likely to get twice as much money for that.

No argument with that I just think you're you're shifting the paradigm a little that you haven't may be more inequality under the popular vote system in terms of attention you'd have -- an attention based on. Not the population where people act exactly. Which is in thickly settled city urban areas of state which is what David -- both Patrick you're NW RQ what Pam from common cause high.

Yeah higher at -- those not -- Reagan conservative Republicans effect especially good idea -- Few different reasons first call article two section one gives the states the rights to determine what's in the best interest of their state. So -- from Massachusetts is tired of paying fifteen dollars for a long time. This send money in the Pennsylvania. Bomb because they are reliably we won't fly over. This would be something that would make sense to support. All of the idea that big cities are gonna dominate in the worst political demography. All when Scott Brown ran for the Senate -- the only running Boston. Com it's correct question is no right he -- to win some votes and how strict Massachusetts. That's how Republicans. Didn't do it.

I don't know how he divided up this time I would I would get -- more in the eastern part of the state in the western.

Yeah but biologically campaign for the entire state and independent frankly right now I mean political demography dictates. But 85% of the voters live in towns and cities -- less than 300000. People.

So we right now and that's because there there are barely any cities of the above 300000 people Obama -- nevertheless they are not what we're -- now you people I -- intensely populated areas so that would be were the campaigns would take place.

If I were to accept your premise Tom Ridge would never spent a governor Tim Pawlenty wouldn't be governor of Minnesota. Along you know because. Tom -- that one Philadelphia Pittsburgh Harrisburg the.

Straight -- Another does not -- more you're -- is the argument. Against this because. What what do what states do is balance out the city can't take control for example New York City is that the largest city in the country but you can still. Lou's New York City and bring in in the rest of the state. You can shift in election in New York State the other way. Nationally what you wanna do if you don't have state borders anymore is collect the largest number of votes annual do that. In ways I suspect we couldn't even imagine because the market place efficiencies or -- campaign would be looking for.

But can tell out of -- curious what your reaction is to the calls point about the constitution I think he's an article two section one what -- said leaves it to the states and that's up camps that are -- argument. You make a point and you make it consistently and eloquently can make a point about disrespect. In the constitution -- because -- I think.

That clearly the reason they amend Electoral College was to assign a certain amount of powered each state in the EU in the in the election of president and if the states are. Voluntarily. Messing up that system by going to -- will other states that seems to me a constitutional violation so Delaware compromise of a small states don't get trampled on.

But if that small state wants to make a compact in his own way in its own judgment by its elected representatives -- just what just happened here in Massachusetts. I'm not sure that -- UN talk to a quick to criticize everybody for being you know for trashing the constitution. On a little bit thin ice and I think.

Patrick Charlie center site that -- hand we've got to go to break will be doing come back 6172666. From common cause will continue to. Talk about the popular road NW RKO.

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WR Gail Tom and -- Pamela much hear from common cause of retirement refusal legislation. That is going to Governor Deval Patrick to be signed. Now here's one thing we know about the governor it's good for the state. He's against it benefits bat for the state hillside so. This legislation. I expect he's gonna -- 61726666. He what do you think about the national popular vote Jerry RN WRQ Pamela --

And gentlemen I'm you know impressed and helped by the ignorance and arrogance of this argument that's. Slower supposition. And I'm not mister -- part. First of all all the Joshi said earlier that 500 votes should not Make or Break election that. They don't got to be good the popular vote would -- in 500 votes. What could be the difference -- exactly what the popular vote so total what what ever makes me award were I -- golf that is that is in my opinion. The founding fathers of this country will probably ashamed alert greater collection of incorrect. I stumbled on the planet. And the group of squad right intellectuals. -- mention of rejection and given themselves Fulbright scholar is. Wanna change what age group of people. -- trump should imminent collapse. Jim upload. To protect them then they're not gonna -- which country is governed and nothing more than laying the groundwork. -- twenty million. But when you need to come and vote and should -- rushed out of the problem vote.

All right I look I let cameras on your point.

Thomas Jefferson. Probably one of the most revered founder's notes nominate some. Doesn't you know I don't like way overrated Sox have some way but go ahead anyway -- but at -- they've worked intellectual giants is no question about. But this is the -- design. They wanted the states to decide how the electors are going to be awarded -- also constantly talked about. Not having sanctimonious reverence for their work they thought they did a great job but they also thought. Steady should be something in general and we have had a number of constitutional amend I don't think they realize quite how good they were not. With the you know they're they're concerned humble less than perhaps not I think humility is a good thing. But. I RAI. I don't I think that this proposal. Uses what the tools that they gave us in it respects their work you don't change the constitution unnecessarily. This -- in in the hands of the states. If I'm not states don't go along it goes nowhere. On if distaste changed their mind ultimately. They can get rid of it they can't get rid of it in the middle of elections. We can't get rid of it after the fact but in the next election they can do so. It I think there's one thing we're talking about on the break about small states. From the small states are ignored under the current system and that's why it's past and mentally and some. Democratic small states report on Vermont and Rhode Island and Hawaii where there are big.

Fight over Arkansas are some little or numeric sisco or something couple years ago a couple of elections ago because somebody needed to get themselves a couple more electoral votes. And it at that point you go to whatever state will get your --

Jurors become critical beyond its primary -- come out and broke -- glory of Gordon won either his own stayed on New Hampshire.

I -- I am sure there are on there are thirteen small states. That's that with three -- for you know there's only one swing that's New Hampshire move on if you go to the size yes she gets a swing states and parent in the last election there is a little bit of movement and and a couple. Obvious but an in the sixties the small states. Sued New York to get rid of the winner take all because they have been out of the presidential sweepstakes for decades. And this is making people think of small states and I think Republicans it's not true there -- those twelve safe non small -- Rhode Island Delaware I run a little states as it goes the other way it's six safe Democrat six safe Republican. Together they have forty electoral votes. You they have exactly the same population of Ohio. Now out of those twelve small states not counting New Hampshire no visits no ad money.

No spending coached team plays David plus once more suing his input birth Barack Obama's campaign manager.

So the popular vote sounds bad players and but if you have popular vote and you're only getting of the population centers.

It. You look at our primary and it we have a winner take all system for a popular votes is the we wanted to better not have. For kids trying Mary. Brian married he was comparing it to a general election yet but he there's a popular bode well against Kansas and while I go kids -- his fifty finally it'll always want --

And thoughtfully doesn't tell you -- is sixty million in this is still this is a states where they actually right mailings. Campaign.

Against you can tell he's just saying he wouldn't do jury cry your NWR you know example. I want chicken sued paradise limits she lives at hybrid and I thought a a.

Take -- good morning good morning I. Well I I wanna encourage job -- every entry Jerry's -- not an open bottle it. Yeah. Just -- Steve Jobs that you try to get but -- great -- I. I want a card can't because I I love what he's become quite good because. Well -- you realize she's waking a sleeping giant. Sleeping giant has called the American electorate we see true. This socialist propaganda you're trying to set up a one party system. And it's gonna daily -- house of cards being constitution. Simplifies the voting process with the Electoral College giving equal representation. To all states score read your constitution give you failed to -- down. Okay it's been no -- what do you think Barack Obama's campaign manager -- let's why don't.

We only have about thirty seconds we can he was a quick answer to why cloth is wrong.

While I can't I've -- be giving a lot of reasons why -- is wrong why it plots say that I think he was probably surprising and really thought about it aren't much.

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