Obamacare: good or bad?

666868. We talked in the first hour about Obama care. And why they decided to. Make sure war. That no way and in the US and it was able to questions. Doctor Donald Berwick -- is the new head of the agency that oversees all of Medicare and Medicaid. And who's gonna be playing a huge. Role in our health care system meant. We got a yacht. Text in the course you can always text does that 68680. From someone who is a young person in in the van -- And has a physical disability and is already on Medicare asking if they should get some type of policy beyond that. And boy I would say this to everyone out there. Try to get some type a private policy if your parents are on Medicare try to get then some type of supplemental policy. And died tried to do anything you tend to hang on to your private policy. If that work they're going to drop you win 21 of these collective -- some think fight it every way you can. Because what's gonna happen down the line here as we go along with Obama -- if you wind up in one of these government plans. You're gonna get the -- you're gonna get the registry of motor vehicles level of treatment. And if you can somehow afford to -- find a way to hang on to a private plan or some type of supple mental -- your government plan. You'll be getting much better care. You vote we saw just this week that the doctors in. The entire -- of Texas. Are thinking of dropping out of Medicaid down there. Because the government's running it and it's a total mess and they don't need that hassle this plenty of patients to go around that they can help a lot of people. And when you look at what doctor Berwick wants to do he wants to write the standards in Washington. And then have them. Followed by every doctor every nurse every medical professional. In the country. And he doesn't want and need deviations. From those standards at all in fact that's what he says in his --

In speeches and in writings. Here's here's what he says. Those working in health care delivery. May be faced with situations. In which it seems that the best course. Is to manipulate. The system for the benefit of a patient. Such manipulation. Produces more flaws. In the downward spiral of the system continues. So he doesn't want you if your doctor or nurse or health care professional. Ever deviate from the systems that he's gonna be putting in place. Here's another one if his his writings. Young doctors and nurses should emerge from the training. Understanding the values that standard is stationed in other words. What we decide in Washington. You better understand. That's the way it's going to be. So we says young doctors and nurses should emerge from training understanding the values the standard is stationed. And the risks. Of two grade in emphasis. On individual. Autonomy. In other words we don't want individual care we wanted to on the way we need this now. Have you ever. Seen any policies have you ever. Were seen Washington. Make anything work better.

I should -- I can't think of anything lately I'd love to hear Europe. You're right -- on that. But I haven't seen in anything in recent memory that makes Washington look better.

Why we need to be more of like the UK and of course. Who will what does he called the UK system what does he say about the UK system. He. Says I in the romantic about the national health service he told the London audience in 2008. I love it doctor Berwick added going on colleagues that it global. Treasure. He routinely points to -- British national health service. As a health care model for the United States of America so that's what he believes and and here's what another one of his writings. The UK is people in charge of health care. People with a clear duty and much of the authority. To take on the challenge of changing the system. The US does not. Well we didn't until now. Until April when they rammed through Obama care. And that's why these elections are gonna be so so important. They have to stop Obama care of before it goes too far down the line here. A lot of it is it you know we know the taxes and the obligations for business and the individual taxes broken Payer gonna be kicking in this year. But or in this tax year. But it's made the most of the Obama care stuff. Doesn't go into effect till after the next presidential election because he don't want people knowing what the plan it. And that's why I'm taking the time today to inform you. Of why this plan is and why they are moving down this slide. Now how are they gonna pay for all this what's the plan besides raising all these taxes and everything that they're doing. Well really what it is is the largest. Shift. Of being come distribution and from what people basically who work to people who basically don't work that we have ever seen in our country. That's what the plan is. -- we share this with you. Among Donald Berwick greatest. Hits. Is this one to this is the guy we've been talking about. Any health care funding plan that is just equitable. Civilized inhumane. Must. Must he says twice. Redistribute. Wealth from the richer among us to the pour out in less than fortunate. Can't that is one more reason that President Obama made doctor Berwick a recess appointment to run Medicare and Medicaid. Rather than to have this philosophy. Debated in the Senate so here it is. Any health care funding plan that is just equitable. Civilized. And humane. Must. Must. Read distribute wealth from the richer among us to the -- and less fortunate. And that's what the Obama plan is all about. So. There's all kinds of details here I won't bore you with -- they'd get it gets into -- of how they're gonna do this. And how they're gonna find it and what they're gonna do and the people that are gonna be here in the people that are gonna pay for the taxes. To fund these programs for everybody. Else. And the editorial and Americans have learned the hard way over the past two years. That this administration believes in wealth and read yours distribution. First. Economic growth second. Or is doctor Berwick also put it in his wealth redistribution. Speech. It is crucial not to have to rely on quote. The darkness. Of private enterprise. That's what the sky it's hard. They hate capitalism. They heat the private investment system. They heat the private sector they want government to control everything. For two reasons. One and then they as the wise men can run all of our lives in decide everything for us through the government. And secondly. Then they can build there equitable. New world order that they want. And this -- more than anything else about health care you know they talk about the health care what they want. And think of the the ends of the Europe that Obama went to to get this to remember last. Remember last year when he went up to New Hampshire. Any -- speech where he was attacking doctors. For cutting off people's lay eggs when they didn't need to be cut off. Remember his white house press conference on health care when he accused doctors -- taking -- console so -- have children. That didn't need to be taken out so that they could get bigger fees. He attacked the doctors he attacked the researches. He attacked the nurses. He attacked every one in every thing to do with the health care system. Why because he wanted to better health care system. No. Can decide it for you would -- What kind here we get we we have the call the first in the first hour. From -- saying. He has to fight every time to get the prescriptions that he once. Rather than to have them changed by his insurance company. What's gonna happen to Ross when the government control solves that. When the government is in charge of all of that do you think is gonna be any chance do remember what doctor broke that he doesn't want. Any doctors breaking from his plans of standardization. And so guys like Russ or meet the depend on one type both of pharmaceutical. Probably won't be able to get it anymore and -- we have our own private plans. And that's why. What this comes down to is keep is much control as you can all for your own health care. Try to keep your own doctor it's gonna be hard under these new systems try to keep your own health care plan. Try to keep a private plan and build up a good relationship with a hospital. Be in a situation where you know what's going on in you can control your own system. That is gonna be the key in the future because if not. The doctor Berwick in Washington are gonna wanna control it for you. And we're hearing horror stories now of little things like be able to get the prescriptions we want. Just think what it's gonna be down the line how to half its gonna be down line. To get the kind of cared that we have all had in that with all. -- been able to a.

Two. Relishing in the as having the best health care system in the world. He thinks that the British system is great. Read the newspapers hop online Drudge Report has the British newspapers all right -- in -- you can read any of them every day. And every day and every one this horror stories about the health care system there and what it's come to us that's two months. That's what you gonna gap with Obama care and again that's why these elections are so important. Let's go back sorry I'm babbling so much I feel very strongly about this that's -- got. Yeah I know we'd love to have fun on the show but I just wanna take this time on this day in. In the month of July here in Boston to let you know what the plan is in where they're headed in where they wanna take us. Let's go back to the calls fill in Beverly your -- Charlie Manning.

He filled -- turned on radio and hop on the line. Do we know hey Phil how you doing.

I don't I'm great at -- trivia today yeah. There's also spell -- there's gonna destroy our country. Up shoot 80% of the good citizens of this country did not want to go. Why don't we Kurdish got a Civil Disobedience not -- them to implement that.

Well there is -- we don't need to do that yet because there's two things going on. You have I believe it's up to 21 he now states. They're suing on the Obama bill and it's gonna come up through the courts and a lot of big parts of it could be knocked out in the courts. And number two. We're having an election. That's what we do instead of Civil Disobedience here we don't sit home like god -- yen and and is gays and our enables. Like up in your area you've got to congressmen. Here and -- it will do in neat things he can for Obama Kerry believes that if he voted for it. He wants to take us down this path he.

Personally newest audience he has no exchange and has a great challenger bill backed up there this who courage.

Who can take him on. Everybody. Up on the North Shore pass to get involved in that campaign they can do it.

Me everywhere you go. Everywhere you go to us talk about.

Debts and in -- I yelled why she did you have to put up with someone like tearing me. -- for ever and ever in ever up there with seen him he's been in what 1012 years now. -- No I don't know. Yet and and.

Look we know what his dream as we've been talking about it today that's the type of healthcare he wants. Word to run from Washington. And all the decisions are made for you. And doctors who warns they dead or not go outside the standard is stationed -- putting in place that we're gonna happen.

You -- correct on the trans world the world to every single bombers going he's doing so good to generate. The -- and educated. He's just doing our radiation. And -- big part of Florida and help them all there's. People we spoke to reorganize.

I don't know is no you know would it is. It's somebody who he is doesn't have any sense of what made our country graded stakes of the call is always felt. Doesn't have any sense of what meet our country great. In nets we've always been. In opportune wounded -- based society. The right to life. Liberty. And -- pursuit. Of happiness. We've always been an operative who need the base society. Where in the one that wants to work hard and go out there. Can succeed. And President Obama thinks that's wrong I always think of first of all his meeting with Joe The Plumber. You know win Joe The Plumber said hey what about all these taxes he walks up Joe the -- driveway. And he says na hey hey mister president what about all those taxes and he says. I believe in spreading the wealth remember that he told Joe The Plumber I believe in spreading the wealth. And then you remember his debate with Hillary Clinton and in the reporter said. On you wanna raise the capital gains tax. Why is that a good idea or every time we hide it. It provides more. Economic activity jobs are created little businesses created it works out great. And because it's low. More revenues -- and and the president said well I know all that but it's just not fair it's just not fair and that's what he believes -- You don't do is a whole last week in fact by James Carville also organization. And they asked the American people. Do you think president Obama's a socialist. And now more than half I think it was 56%. Said yeah they do believe he's a socialist. -- the way we wanna go here. Let's go to -- Mary in Arlington how are you today Mary.

Hi Kelly I just wanna say thank you see how we -- we initiation of the Massachusetts we do not know. What these politicians say China Toyota like its just a great help. I wanna tell you about my daughter who is shut divorce the two children she. Tara has been carried her children but she has no doubt yeah because. She made a little bit too much they treat her child support. You get any can help you -- out -- yelling out -- But on the get a shot at the calling I know all the personal as the front drug addict he gets a nice checked every month -- I've taxpayer. Cloud -- on math help. Now that's really heading to make.

Now she is she called the connector folks there in -- if there's any plan their that would fit her and her kids that she can get at a good rate. The connector is the place we can go and look for. Ride the plans I mean I know -- claim Romney here gets beat up here but dead of the government takeover. What they did is they got private companies to put together their best plans that the best prices. In this this thing called the mask connector teller hop online and look it up. And I don't know yet in -- can go there and see if -- the play in the -- can afford that right after her and her two kids.

Well she gets her children cabin under excited them. Now health insurance and that worries me because speech is changing habits jagr asked should probably and that blows and how.

Oh absolutely can't go around without.

you know it's just racial especially to little kids right I mean I I'm so upset about -- and I think about. What's coming down the road which the Obama can't help bill Geary I had -- I -- try it we don't know what's gonna happen to lash.

Well if you can have one of those supplemental plans. It's a -- don't have one. Yeah try hang onto the Democrats he gets. They're try not the -- they're trying to get rid of them because they want I want to have the same crappy plan. -- that the plan didn't put away a little money can afford one of those supplemental plans. Had to make sure you have that the -- time if you Medicare and really important.

Another point jelly. I -- Canadian passenger who tell me how bad -- here -- candidate it. I mean a lot of people go to the dot depth they have an -- go out flat out. They have to wait to get a letter easily go back to the hot school to get operated on. In the meantime a lot of downright.

Oh. You absolutely it's much you know I was thinking of -- the lieutenant governor they -- Tim Murray. Who he melts remember he marched in all the parades. Orton was hot he felt bad. Guillen went right to the hospital and got all these testy stayed overnight more test and then they announced imply and told them to lose some weight. If that I've been to Canada or Britain. Jill NN he'd still be way tank to get the mr. Still be waiting to get those tests.

I do wanna shapes Alley right -- quietly gave the viewing Howie because as I -- we would not know what's going on. Without the ocean nation I -- Simeon program and how --

Well that's our pleasure that's or here for an telecheck a -- asked connector all right I already but I surely grabbed let's grab one more before we take the news break -- got.

Go right back to the calls I appreciate everything hang on during the news breaks Phyllis in Boston your next week Charlie Manning.

Hello Kelly please tell us you know wonderful I love lift lift thank you thank you almost a year -- you're gonna get -- WRK well thank you.

There is you welcome -- if I lost. That sounds -- check this out speed gates the wife of a husband to be kept under the health insurance if that's the case. And that but that lady that called her daughter all there is there is a lot yes but it definitely have to keep the other spouse under their brand.

You know though it may have been part of the divorce agreement Phyllis where the you know the final agreement said okay I'll pay for the kids but you pay for your own health care or something like that you know.

It could have been -- agreement but he should. She should still check out Laura just got to be on the -- that's.

Well well that's great news I hope I think it was us was it -- from Arlington I think all right yeah mirror.

Like I wasn't myself covered at one time yup because mining. Mine and my eccentric in the off. -- and then not representative Phyllis kind been left it up they. He's got a copy of the law. So I -- back on I would have been. Can I not -- that off.

Okay so. Share. Okay she may want to call her state rapport talked to -- you -- a friend that's a lawyer that could actually come to -- that quite. Hey Phyllis good news side let's why I love our listeners they know everything out there our thank you so much. -- that's goodwill lean in Lawrence hey Elaine you're you're on the Charlie Manning south.

still there.

Yeah hello Elaine I Cali gets attacked fields a year last night they went to achieve -- rarely is not stand -- but. Me and a spokesman. First guy couples got up and said. That he is running against. --

Yes I heard about guy and I know guy you know like I'm.

Maybe you could enlighten us -- two more about.

God IE is ran home he's he's a little bit older than me you know not I would say he's not a spring chicken but that's a very. Very smart lawyer. He served dean governor dean's administration and and he was head of what they used to -- now the big agency that oversees parks and recreation now it's called DC are back in those days it was called the in DC remember the MDC. Then he was. It ahead of the MDC. And he was a man before -- times I remember one of his proposals. -- having the big debate we're gonna talk about in the last hour about dobbs. About casinos and where they should be his proposal was to build the big casino on one of the Harbor Islands. And then fund the whole park system with the money from the casino yeah and of course -- that primary -- blow this is ridiculous regret have a casino in Massachusetts. But that was back -- governor Kean was governor from what 79808182. So that was back in the early eighties. And of course now when Deval Patrick and -- Murray talked about casinos they -- goes earlier and I do we could have the revenues so I would say guy was a guy ahead of his time.

Okay maybe you could get him on the show so we can understand more about this ticket campaign.

Yes but they have to do in it should be able to work for him. Is to BA because we have a bunch of primaries for congress and different parts. Of the state and primaries the local offices so people that would go vote in a Republican primary. Would then put vote for you know vote in their races but -- put a sticker for guy Carbone for attorney general on there. In if he could get I think it's 101000 stickers yeah should be able to do it if he's organized. Then he would be on the ballot against marsh Coakley MR excuse me Martha Coakley in November.

Yeah but that would be great now listen one thing the spokesman did say that the boy I didn't hate this clip so -- and he said that he contacted the Republican paddy. And they said well we're not entrusted. We already have somebody that's gonna run against here.

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kind of you know. I don't think that's set to wells.

No definitely not you know there was a great guy who would have been so true riff fix to run and he was a form of popped the homicide prosecutor in Boston. -- clarity growth in Arlington. Was part of Scott -- he mum and dad what do and they -- thinking people I was gonna run and -- that Peter called me and we talked about a little bit and then he called back because. You know my boys are thinking is boys are like 68 in ten. And he's one of those guys that coaches all the -- loans and everything and you just said. If I do this I'll never get these years back in I said you're exactly right Peter so maybe -- guy called data they -- Peter was gonna do it do you.

And they should've contacted guy -- is that it -- you gotta do it.

I would think so maybe someone from the party can call and figure it out or -- Yeah -- definitely -- You know what I say you know what I say go guy go go guy go if you gonna go -- go for it. Let's talk to -- Caroline New Hampshire you're next with Charlie Manning.

Hello Kelly -- are you can kind. -- Cali great and then I'm coming at that -- I'm off without. And genius but it can write in -- I've been very concerned about that situation -- it happening. -- I have a I have a I like it got really --

I really feel that Obama want to your college pitcher lisle and terrible I'm all of our people -- for our.

Because. Bill targeting Britain -- in the national security bill 12919. That the president can make it puppet dictator. And I but the -- content is that I had mentioned it before another program they. Then nothing ever -- I don't hear anybody ever I can about it and -- being caged. Picking -- direction and it to -- tried idiot. And that I really do believe it entered the whole idea -- they. But no problem what to do and I got back out of jail and let. It TV -- got to probably that you do it.

And Joe Torre gets out of office because. They fear not gonna be concerned also about.

It generally -- tell me this. Do you think the American people would put up for -- that.

I you know let. It will have -- that's about every other country that it got a dictators diagonal. So.

I know he does some other countries are used to having dictators. And when they get it democracy they don't know how to handle it. Now we head and the it's the you know of democracy. To the entire world since we kick the brits out back in the seventeen hundreds. And I need I don't think ever that the people this country would put up with this you know what the members of his own party wouldn't put up with that. You know what the members of the military wouldn't put up with it. What do you think the military's gonna listen to dictator Obama. Audio that what I what I think General Petraeus and those guys are gonna say when he says. What to Massachusetts and bring the tanks and and he's running around full little military helmet on. And -- giving orders do you think this guy's got to listen to dictator Obama no way he.

I won't let my husband says that all about Elian could get just about. That girl is gonna look a lot just. Countries that may grow Elizabeth let biological -- the size of that now history does repeat it -- that people don't buy it and and and that is a concern about.

great thing is now Caroline you know why should have all are paying attention now. You know I'm -- yeah people who can't wait to get out and vote this November.

they lied to congress to allow president. Britain -- an -- and we didn't say they -- this bailout you can -- national July. Step foot -- isn't on the national security they allowed him to do that though you say that we won't allow it. I really think people better think. The long run that.

You know what I just believe in the people of this country in the common sense of our country way too much to think anything like that could happen but you know like you said eyes wide open right Caroline. -- eyes wide open it all the time thanks so much 6172666060. Or didn't tons of emails on this health care. Mom. Situation. The good doctor Berwick what he's gonna be tried to do hi Charlie must keep the health care discussion alive during the fall leading up to the election. Doctor Berwick recess appointment was a deliberate attempt to keep this ideology out of the public -- see the message is getting out. This comes from someone in Brookline I also believe that the lawsuit -- voters -- red Herring to overshadow any debate about health care. Keep up the good work I think the Arizona lawsuits a good debate too I really do. Hi Charlie I'm at work couldn't call but could you take a minute explained that the members of congress and exempted themselves from this health care bill. I've heard that as soon as it passed they had emergency session. And legislation and voted themselves out is that true thank you for your show and keep up the good work you know what I think happened. I think they totally screwed up the bill in didn't cover themselves. So I think they'll be getting the same congressional coverage that they have always gotten and we went over this at the time of the in this comes from. No -- navy vet in the navy vet who's a great guy I think the if they have a full hospital in the capital. They have the right to go to Walter read whenever they want -- doctors and nurses on in the capital 24 hours. For anything they want of course they have the gold plated health care plan new members of congress in you know what. They don't want you to have it that's for sure the whole plan is here is. -- drive down the level of health care in our country. Hey Charlie. Everyone keeps saying it to remember this health -- November and I will never again vote for anyone with a but this horrendous thing is law now are we just stuck with that forever love your show and this is from Cheryl he Cheryl. Just like they make a law they can repeal a law. And I think when you see in the latest Rasmussen poll that 60% of the people in the country. Already want the law repealed without seeing most of that that's gone into effect. It's chests -- note that this thing isn't long for the world if we win the elections this fall. And this one's a little long I'll get to it later. Charlie it is already started Medicare just has -- get this Medicare is just refused to -- to fill a prescription for asthma. Which I've been taking for years the substitution which they want media uses the course more cost effective. I am unable to tolerate the less expensive medication. But -- doctor Berwick and Obama care. My doctor and I will not have the choice. It is not standardized care -- doctor might be able to control the situation for now but it will not be long before he can not. Medicare by the way has been covering this medication for over five years that's what they wanted to. We want all that doctors and the nurses still live up to the standardization. And let's see we got any text is here. Sure we do folks. Up in 50 wait you know they're calling congressman Tierney. They're calling him congressman. Here in the U. And from 617 Charlie I am insanely mad after being told over and over that the new health care bill. Would not fund abortion. The first round of abortion money is going out to Philly -- this week. Well we all knew was gonna fund abortion didn't we we sure didn't remember report congressman Stupak. He wouldn't vote for wouldn't vote for written and they promised the -- The president will issue we won't put it in the bill but the president will issue a written statement saying it doesn't even though it does. In -- congressman Stupak in the other Democrats fell four. And now the poor guy I was so lied to and so destroyed he's not even run for reelection. Let's take a quick break from the Charlie -- show will be right back 6172666868. Right back on the Charlie Manning show. WRKO historical. -- a couple more minutes to grab calls on this -- we got Debian dad let's do Debbie first Debian lol your next to Charlie Manning.

Hi Charlie how are ya. Al could get I was content they don't think that woman. Ideas they're always thought that far off base. I mean the American people may not stand for it but what about all these new Obama America that -- be -- it and foreign government. And think people who would just back to him because he's the first black president and everybody's so thrilled with them and all that kind of stuff.

No early show you tried if he tried to assume dictatorial. Powers in this country. The rest America would not put up with it they absolutely would not -- I I I you know do so much serious stuff going on Mike this health care bill. And and don't think I don't put anything past these guys but there's so much real serious stuff to be concerned about like the elections coming up. This health care bill the champ de finance bill that there he -- pushing through today. Did to think that this country would ever allow someone to takeovers a dictator just I I can't imagine it in my lifetime.

I don't know I just I -- I think about Waco I think about Elian Gonzales I think about the militia people who were picked up in the midwest just recently. The government has their ways of controlling the people's.

Yeah but even the government. Wouldn't back this you know like I said do you think Jennifer General Petraeus and those guys are gonna sit on their hands impacted dictatorship taking over I don't think so but excellent call Debbie let's grab one more before we break at the top of the are dead in Danbury Connecticut how are you --

I Charlie I I try to that the thing that I had I hear people. I'm glad that -- people are coming out of the shadows to stay well what their policy really are because for so long people have made excuses that. You know keep a good meeting in Egypt want change we didn't know how severe the change -- but now that their policies are being lined up -- at a place. Hopefully that people who have not paid attention will reckoned with how things -- looking out from under it I teach public school. I was investigated. By my district and 900000 dollar -- can make up learn more US history to teach more about right well level. This year they are removing a bit early underpinnings that you -- it straight from high school across America. -- much it had in middle school you won't know the foundation.

Principle that great -- and we're right.

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