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That's -- for the -- and everybody. In recent days even some of the president's strongest supporters have expressed. Stern and his lack of leadership in stopping the lead dog --

Christina Parsons and Tucson believe they're being targeted by the Arizona Department of Education because they have access tell. Moon depends on the context to understand. What -- need.

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Okay that's chase -- flu should not -- So students. From Manning. English. Teachers like Christina Parsons in Tucson I believe they're being targeted by the Arizona Department of Education. Because they have accepts a state monitor. Came -- here class yes they audited Q yes thank just walked him. In the middle class persons who was born in Brazil has taught EL out. English language learners for more than twenty years she has to university degrees. This is the first time she's been audited and she resents the extra scrutiny -- have a Ph.D. in good teachers and state school superintendent Tom Horne says as part of No Child Left Behind he's been monitoring ELL teachers for bad grammar. And mispronounce words for the past eight years I'm going after one particularly true.

We're not going after any accidents including Spanish accent which it has to be faulty English those students are being taught English and they're gonna refer you come as a coma. People are gonna misunderstand them.

I think that's good point while do you feel about that idea -- you -- somebody teaching in those should not speak it properly yes absolutely there should be no doubt about it it has very little if anything to do with an accent. -- and I do think this educator who was just quoted twice. Comes across in those very brief. Quote that we have as a very impressive and thoughtful guy now that's a huge conclusion for -- to jump to based upon too little snippets. But he is not he does not seem to be a man on a mission and by the way. No matter how much you an -- any other professional might resent somebody looking over our shoulder. Auditing educators is absolutely and necessary. And urgent.

Or education reform of course it was too bad they focus on that aspect of of her situation but who cares -- like that somebody came into watcher classroom and they came in the -- so they were impolite or they were the best way to do what is unannounced. You don't wanna say oh lord you know two weeks from -- my day where your coming by and then all of a sudden everything is. You know because it was a different -- because contract drugs the day before -- and they're not in our system but it would be. Yeah I'm a little concerned that the idea that ever longevity. If there's did you know some of these blanket announcements the if it's like Yemen is zero tolerance all of a sudden there's a zero tolerance for accents and an English teacher I I'm totally on board with the concept but if somebody's been teaching for 5101520. Years the F. And everybody saw their fine how are how all of a sudden they become not five. Well I guess that's I mean I think I think that's the essentials element of this story. I don't think that anybody saying she's not find other than that -- the teacher's reaction like oh what's going on this is never have a notebook though it should have been -- periodical is the rule is that somebody like her. The the concept -- shouldn't be teaching English because she doesn't speak kit. Properly so you've got kids selling -- superintendent said at the end we don't want kids leaving her classrooms thinking that the word karma -- is sprouts called dumb idea what we shall we should do that we shall we should play this clip. Again we'll cleric -- that some LC Wannstedt.

It has to be felt English those students are being taught English and they're gonna refer to come as a karma. People are gonna misunderstand them.

English professor Roseanne Gonzales disagrees saying studies actually show that non native speakers making better English teachers. Are you saying that teachers pronunciation. Specific words is not important. That's right because a language is very can textual. Me depends on the context to understand.

What words mean if you would tell somebody who is that could not be understood that they need to go into another profession.

Are you a you know but I do I don't buy what they educator sent you have to hear the words properly. And what what we guard -- I think when when I see young people on the street I listened to talk. They -- in the city what I hear is people who aren't speaking conventional English they're. They're speaking some kind of modified version of it based on the hybrid of urban talk and general Cameron talk -- and -- we need sue for their benefit. And for the benefit of the culture. Make sure that there's our homogeneity in terms of -- English is spoken.

Agreed in the classroom a -- agreed in the workplace agreed in all those places where this formality and structure an expectation. But he would not he would not impose that I mean the way you and I would try to -- playground growing up he would not imposed. The rigid structure of proper English. When you grow up you what when you plan on the playground. I don't know if you listen -- won't lure kids it would major radically different if you and I have replaying game of pick up basketball bats against a couple of others we will we're playing against -- just a little hypothetical and we see the cheesy yes troubled -- compete bring in the ball up court -- have. He you know he don't he. He doesn't do well odds say he don't got it why he went he would he do something quickly he ain't got it now now that -- every bit. Of the the proper English test. But it makes perfect sense to you and I'm the best -- wherein they weren't school the next day talking about -- did the -- day before Suu Kyi we had you know a credible opponent. But that's what's Julie our guys for that team. Did not have the requisite bottle handle -- healing -- or do you think kids in urban America today can speak death sentence you say you don't know that's the problem that's the problem. It is the -- It is the priorities here's an actual Arizona classroom.

Many of them on one out but I can't even keep. And I don't. Mean I didn't know how are they have her daddy is who wrote how are they ever gonna law that is beyond believe wouldn't rule out there that aren't as serious. How are -- with a teacher like that power they ever gonna learn their improperly managed -- saying. Lira WR Kevin that's ridiculous -- highly.

guys you Muqtada. If you put out and you don't -- the wrong word in the right context. It collapse of the English language. Now right drug.

I agree I think that this is gone so far. That people don't know from their context anymore or proper malicious polite I do I I sorrow and I was teaching at Suffolk law school the deterioration. In the ability to communicate is unbelievable and these were students who. By definition they got into law school there reasonably successful they're toward the end of the law school Korea's. In it you're timing some of them very well written but there was an abundance of papers and you feel bad for the kids they believe they had been moved to a school system. And some of them very good colleges and I assume pretty good high schools as well they've been moved from. And -- punctuation. And obviously in this case which I can verbally pronunciation as well by the way had to pick up on the word corrupt I think we was teas available that are mrs. it was -- point -- I think --

I'll Idec million dollars a good job -- thank you -- what you're doing the diverse use of the word bribe the student that's right.

15100 teachers who were monitored last year 25 were bound to happen pronunciation issues. Dot worries teachers Charles calling went from Trinidad and even kids from Ireland who wonder who's judging you can't say there's one way to pronounce -- hello.

What kids are learning those -- more important thing to end this problem I see. Being considered think.

Those critics say he's going after immigrant teachers.

There are important -- first guy again now first guy again as a joke and -- first guy is unbelievable that's a problem with education lesson.

Adams and Ian kid from Ireland who wonder.

Just judging you can't say there's one way to finance I think in America and see what -- what you have to say there's one way to pronounce things --

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Let's not be so quick okay that's why you talk about you and I have talked about the British accent yeah we find it impressive we find it. -- almost a reflection of a higher level of sophistication learning are at least mastery of English language. There's an Irish Tom clearly an Irish brogue and yet it's very very understandable you tease me about my boss.

I know there's a perfect is left should be wiped out I can't shot clock. That's grotesque when you -- And yet to I think I could hold my own in the classroom tie you down well out of ten Donahue did she -- so while the -- How hot they don't know why -- are not allowed none none none you know get carried away those are more British kids don't play -- there were on the -- was I couldn't understand federal brilliant computer. Yeah. I'm very era WR TL.

Odd but. Let's not and then a little Latin school where they would teaching grammar because. Do you remember you can be objective -- the proposition and it between Camden -- now does not thinking about right.

You you ready go back for remedial work yeah I'm ready to go back I had met frank. I had met frank Sullivan is an eighth grade English teacher yeah. And from that moment on I was there -- between six and 700 on the English -- without. Break into a sweat imagine without if you have somebody you knew how to speed -- eighth. Grade yeah. You weren't -- had a diagram a sentence you learn vocabulary. I mean I -- you would do it anyway my mom was very good at the stuff so's my death. Americans that's NW RK I'm Aaron.

I -- get very important -- pages each correct English. But I think it's and it systemic issue with the mini projects as well so it's about time someone did not -- Egypt and -- a couple of about.

What do you think about this idea of having uniformity in the way people speak I mean did the teachers are claiming also what I don't perhaps some other words right. But guess what coming from a different culture gives me an advantage being from the same alternative culture or some of the kids gives that I -- a man -- so that's something good don't know -- all and teaching established for the education establishment is very into the idea. Steady fewer black kid you need a black teacher if you -- Hispanic kid you need Hispanic teacher.

Absolutely not people to act eating into acting teacher -- stamina though the Mac and how -- wanna begin at different language I used. --

Thank you -- this another Arizona effort to get -- of teachers who can't pronounce words properly or teaching English not to get them out of the schools completely. But to make sure that teaching English they actually -- right -- don't buy into the the premise that's been put forward by the teachers who feel -- if -- under scrutiny and under pressure. I -- I think it's just literally nothing more than an auditing class and somebody with an accent is feeling. A little bit defensive -- I don't read into this the fact that and a lot of their shows up to observe a teacher in the classroom is some type of you know. Behind the scenes maneuver. Two 200 of them I don't even by the -- date -- revenue over but it's the premises a good one in terms of making sure people -- Brown's -- the accent issue is a real one I also have this memory of lap of Latin school and I think it was eighth grade math. And the teacher had a very heavy. Very thick accent. And I was having and lot of other students are having. Great difficulty understanding especially when you're learning new words anyway the deal announced -- both -- and oh all all the rest those things writes I I really struggle that struggle for the entire idea. With -- 6172666060. I think there's nothing. More appalling you could do to the kids who are coming from troubled background C you know port kids or what have you been to put them in schools where the teachers are not. It mainstreaming them in terms of their language skills -- WR -- Thomas taught hi Jeff.

This is just that you know they've taken it all could go 108 degrees the other way they're talking about teaches kids can't understand and it that might be a possibility that they can understand them. They're -- audit them. Now -- bit -- some with a British accent not -- an Irish -- you can still understand and someone with an accent so thick that the kids can understand them. But why I want don't know why why they only targeting English teachers. I think are getting targeting science speech is still because if you teach science or map with a very thick accent. -- they -- sound very different you know yeah and did she should say she doesn't think that it's important for the pronunciation of words to be correct.

One of the teachers said one other pages yes.

18 audited or something -- now or what kind of thinking it evidently like to -- go at people look behind -- The Senate yeah. -- you don't. These people are so can you speak and so afraid because being called a racist I'm gonna call it racist I don't wanna get taught well I would kill you'll look like how can we approach. Teach them well and if you can't speak. Don't teach all stating yeah I always Scott required a lot I don't ever get lucky to get if you can't understand you'll goodbye.

Thank you Jeff -- stated our boy he's not as always it was doctor's office -- zero the blood pressure up up up. The blood pressure -- I don't think we dispute what he's saying there's a difference from having an accent that is part of the culture show and it's simply not being able to say words because -- from another culture it concede the point I assume that -- you know lodge. So Hispanic student population. That it might actually be helpful to have aged teacher that has a Hispanic accent almost as if this and I you know the Irish -- of the Brit. The bricks rations in the Britain vocabulary and in depth pronunciation. Can we can provide a kind of vote but a transit point for those stooge to still hopefully teaching proper English and pronouncing the words you selves. Properly but that Spanish accent could provide the right encouragement --

Are you saying that teachers pronunciation. Specific words is not important and that's right because language is very can textual. Me depends on the context to understand. What words mean --

Academics because that is academic PC speaker that quote right -- from that lady is the quintessential. Quote. For academic.

I don't think it's responsive to the topic and I usually get just swallowed up of course language is -- everything's syntax -- I have to do with anything -- Sharon WRKO. Merits -- textural.

I K you may -- carrying your show I love. It is not Arnie in high school I never thought I don't act and there on I know I'm -- like it properly English I private. Good duet but I do not anything you caught each Ironkey I think we'll hear from Lou in it was well. -- urge you not and it actually get -- do you wish you studying biology you lack. No -- how would anemic opening up about how does. I think that'll be careful I get back -- don't got hot and I want it again.

I love this she understood well the guys are welcome to a are welcome -- me hot not merely a RV. Aside the question for you. Yet you listen to us every day is -- we said it don't you find it damaging for your attempts to make progress in your own currency should be listening to -- and every day.

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Those critics say he's going after immigrant teacher. -- From the principal and instruments looking into the idea and put him you want superintendent. So didn't so I'm going to go into the classroom and people doing a good job but no Parsons is still awaiting results of her -- She doesn't -- she could be reassigned to another position somewhere else in the district. Thelma Gutierrez.

That is Christina Parsons your murder accent she's from Brazil and she's taught English as second language. For about twenty years in -- Tucson Arizona the and she's got an accent so she says certain words incorrectly. And the assumption now is they start to crack down on the disintegration of American culture is separate from and it hasn't been established that she says which incorrectly what's been established is that an auditor showed up her classroom. She seems to be having this panic reaction ya know that was my assessment okay I don't know what they've decided about her -- you're right. This is story about her reaction the idea that they're checking on her she's indignant over the idea that -- coming and to monitor her class.

Yeah she should save the indignation of professionals should not be you know we're jumping up and down in hysteria or in any other fashion. Because of another professional comes into the classroom to make an assessment does assessment should happen all the time principle should be doing it. People who work for the principal and then as well people outside the school so you have both. Internal observance and external observers to assess and evaluate a can find -- Finneran teach that across. And one hopes that the reviews are consistently high -- our question our ability well there may be so.

6172666. -- succeed do you think it's right to. Removed teachers for teaching English. If they have accents what actually whether they're saying they're not going after accents but they're going after the miss pronunciation of words like one of the guys -- talks about saying the words thank in this sort tank which is not uncommon with people coming from our cultures to mean they should go after accents that are problematic as well but I think they're trying to be overly cautious. Did to avoid being what ways I mean.

It's easy I think that they should go after accents that a problematic I mean you Iran a slippery -- why what would you do about the British accent India and the Irish accent. Particularly if it's a British and Irish accent teacher and black kids from out of an Iran expert who have been very very different. Vulnerable culture about I don't I don't sound like an academic PC -- idea but. That Irish a Brit accent that Irish brogue that British accent to kid who's grown up from the streets Iraq's variant and -- and might be impenetrable.

And that could be a problem. Yeah so why I don't -- saying look that British guys accent. Is too strong to put into the classroom because that would be a problem for kids to it to be able to discern. On the other hand British accent could be good experience for intercity kids here. Because brits are very well schooled in how to speak English so they do it differently but they're speaking English properly.

I think what's amazing for Americans is to have the experience of running into somebody let's say from Trinidad which I believe was maybe a British the British British possession for awhile. Or Bermuda. I can remember recalling a general meeting a gentleman from the Iowa white. Now while the you know folks can be very very black I mean look as black is black can be. And they speak this perfect. English with the Brit accented. On it it was just it's it's an interesting contrast to -- because usually you have a conversation with one of those black is a -- pin Iraq's for that I talked about. And it's a very very different way of speaking when the F comfortable in their kind of doing their district.

But I know from going after accents I'd -- I have to say if I was a school administrator I'd be nervous about hiring you to teach --

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And I finally got it there's the pronunciation of files from my want to learn where. They can Make or Break -- didn't. Yeah. So pronunciation is slow -- in -- vowels that make it different.

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Are so what's your position on this you're saying. I don't don't have people speaking English who can't speak English.

I don't think he should be teaching English if you can't. Help -- subjects. Oh yeah oh well if you can be can be understood sure pure mathematical whereas here are.

Give it singer mathematical was and you had a strong German accent then it's really tough for kids to be discern your you know you're YouTube one word you're saying baby has the accent so --

That could be a problem.

It is a price and actually is a problem -- from -- previous column mentioned at some in some of these subjects are complex enough. Math and science as you get into advanced math and advanced science. Visited these these difficult issues difficult subject matter to add to it. -- thick are an impenetrable accent to I think is say the arrest you're asking for trouble.

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How can anybody learn anything today when there's no requirement that you learn things if you're -- the public schools in your normal kid which means you wanna screw -- a good percentage of the time. And they don't punish you for that and you keep get pushed out of the next year no matter how little you weren't. How forty I don't know what DN Jim but I Imus I'm astounded by Jim and I and we really Todd makes the issue of the behavioral the discipline the absence of discipline. The way that classrooms apparently badly by anecdote a many many times out of control that would never happen under membership. I know it never happened when I was in school does not just. But I got like a guy like -- francs element it was drill baby drill I am telling you and and did you mastered it. You were you know you -- you run close watch closer vision.

the other thing that doesn't happen in the school delegate system. He still noticed I'm never competition with each other in class as well we -- in school years and years ago it was constantly. It was competitive thing that class that would motivate people to work.

do you know that's not gone on any more urgent.

The crap I have to twenty year old girl back -- I walked through school everything would coddled to them. Did they know what spelling bee was -- never had what.

While you know my you have Madonna Madonna Kelly went to saint Gregory's and she was lucky enough to have and in her grammar school. Like enough to have six or seven -- kids in that class Kelly a self is very -- but. But six or seven in I'm telling you to gyms and college point. He was an internal competition notes -- not so much imposed by the school. But kind of that they know the competition Arianna how smart she surely this drilled a screw the script in it at all and happened to be. Maybe one boy in six or seven girls -- yeah the last -- zero or more you're motivated.

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Hello these. I just had a guy like that English teacher in the eighth grade pellets from India. I -- now I couldn't understand that she got my name yeah. I remember feeling it quite like I would like it to myself -- beg him to go to the teacher or the -- think she became kind of McClatchy and he could not that they don't. -- And -- actually and got as being from India she would like it was this. Matched the marriage type of thing yeah. I wish you had to go back to Indiana got married we had an American English teacher and all of brought -- up the crowd was fairly normal. 800 day and I am glad when you started out about this -- it left open outside their country.

Thank you for sharing that story Sheryl 6172606. -- register marriages -- Arizona cracking down an English teachers who cannot pronounce words properly English teachers. -- seems to me they should be a little more broad based with us but that's a good start.

I think that's -- what -- should not. So students then let me. English. Teachers like Christina Parsons in Tucson believe they're being targeted by the Arizona Department of Education. Because they have accepts a state monitor. Came in here class yet they audited him yes. They just walked him. In the middle class Parsons who was born in Brazil has -- ELL English language learners for more than twenty years.

What happened oh that's convinced him tenure on WR Geoeye.

Are you doing and Europe. Big -- yours is double standards so up. The double standard I like to bring up this this brilliant teacher she was teaching Portuguese. As a second language and her school. She would drove most children to get the correct pronunciation of Portuguese words until I got it perfectly if they didn't. They've been doing although large reward got no one source close to they would draw it so there's just double standard that's. -- Iran also that says in all of its English we're gonna what it's all right but I've got to -- in Spanish and they're drilled on pronunciation. And grammar and span well. You know I -- I'm all for forcing these English teachers situation is what language properly.

And that's a great point it is it's didn't the double standard is that anything that belongs to America is not important there's or dismissed had a messed up and then anything that's coming from some other country -- to -- worshipped now things are other countries are great. Things serve our country great we should be teaching about our country. People can learn about our country's other way as -- and by the way if you and I were taking their Portuguese class of the German class whatever language we might be. We would expect I think we would hope and pray for this drill. You know to make -- would that what we are learning is the proper way. In terms the grammar in terms of the pronunciation why would you wanna go to Germany or some other place. And India and make a fool of yourself if in fact it taken the course you wanna you want to learn it now listen this guy and tell me if you would hire him to teach English and an American school.

You if -- somebody do -- deaths we don't permissions. We send -- would send back then you finally send them back however especially with the people of what in my left. We are providing new seats in weeks any single to do some what in my left. We'll be able to be seen any single border state missed in the south -- even with all the requirements.

They can't have people like that's -- high school there. Thaddeus unless the president Mexico put the heat he's trying -- and finish you can't do that to the student -- you just can't do that to the students. You know who's -- that guy if he's if you know his teacher want to vice president caller on the half half how this goes on -- Wolf Blitzer called Iran cannot and should not be allowed to be a teacher of English in any American schools.

But the present -- United States -- him. On what's going on that in Arizona doesn't consult with the governor of Arizona explain now -- and how is the president got enough how to pronounce words properly he keeps saying generalities people. -- Steve here at WRKO.

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Yeah. What are you talking about -- you you're gonna want somebody to death. You -- any new dot Steve.

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