Sheriff Hodgson on inmate rent

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Now you've been charging -- five dollars a day what since 2002.

We started in 2002. And two we got to church it 2004 that should be our. With the rushers to never went to charge huge.

What we do that the money.

Well put an escrow because we were challenged and we obviously. We didn't want to -- The text there's depleted tour if we didn't work supported by the final decision that we could. Church could have the village churches we we want to have to put a -- to solicit pledges.

What are you thinking when you apply the charge why did you do it.

Well actually in 117 we received by -- legal services because. We tried to talk about civilian you're tragic corporation for firm about Photoshop rhetorical bit for medical and Democrats and so forth. And Adam that we received like virtually services so. Saying do we do have a right to do this and church actually for the Boston's record by DH QMR Rick rule which the church actually have a right to charge whatever -- CD that certain operative chills. Seven and 2002 wanna saw the legislature are doing me. Sort of broke across state. Feelings about. They didn't have to raise taxes. I would wanna be here for river observer group force servers text we need to look at how we -- produced within our government agencies. It's separate from the pockets of taxpayers should. Recently decided that restored church we -- our donors gave because. We can't keep throwing taxpayer that looked about a cost presents. Armor -- always -- be -- burden that the people who were who were. Committee crunching go to prison. Should be a recession free and they can use their money to buy QB cookies and upgraded speaker's -- was continue to cut our budget to pay rise across a person.

what does it cost to like keep an inmate in prison nowadays -- yearly basis.

It don't have which you published every time that police 5000 a year. Per image that surgical supportive -- do you go to Google harper.

Well -- not doing a lot of -- won't get into which educations matter. But if he did cautious 35000. Dollars a year free -- what is wrong. With charging the inmates after all they are using the services and I didn't know about that. The cookies in the candy bar but what's wrong with. Without them paying a little bit of the freight.

Well actually used -- quote if we did this statewide. We estimate conservatively week at least ten million dollars the year. Then when you figure that since 2400. Feet up. Trojan these -- Not only five eligibility because that that was December we -- very similar to 2000 almost two years. Just got five -- the other -- were charging it's -- which -- various fees for booking fees and somewhat tragic for appropriate for medical reports. I'm sick of the millions we've lost to the taxpayers to 2004 by having this ruling to -- it. For the legislature frankly not acting. On this dual or bills that had been solved. Not long after the decision 2004. To give us this morning.

We're talking reversal county sheriff Tom Hodgson unless there's this idea of charging five dollars a day. And got struck down by the court what what what what the judge say what is wrong with that.

When -- basically the ruling was a bit. Oh on the issue of how much do what we were charging it had more to do with. Whether or not within -- to have the right to arbitrarily decide -- if so what the issues anyway so what if you're going to charge fees you have to have the state legislature. Followed the -- had there has to be the British statute. So we have to could just as conflicting opinions -- JC made that decision but. We would never had to get -- if the legislature had Ecuador or bill also while before we came before you actually see to charge. He made feasible bothers you repeat this is a problem with government. -- we of people in government who are saying look. We have no problem charge you five dollars for your. For your registry fee if you could use -- registry we have no problem charging. The governor wanted to charge. Attacks -- or QB and so there's a relative to big -- down due to the kids smokers pay the bills. Is that but the guys who broke into your old restored your -- very well you know what. They're not gonna get touched we can keep your money and by the -- in prison and not worry about who pays for the -- that there's a cost continue to rise.

sense -- he's downright laughable but OK let's let's follow this through. So it's optimal legislature now and the legislature passes a law then even the initiation you'll understand it is that the theory.

Suggestions to the -- becomes law you don't already know wanted to which would think feel bad about the going got a call from the one of the units to sort of top -- out of California. Who would seem real Mitsubishi about this issue could -- want to Vista so that are all the fees we were charging. If he's now filed -- Billy California. To charge inmates up to 25 dollars a day. Allowing the person would in the department -- to California. To make a determination as to what bush charge would be put. Simply -- killing of 25 dollars a day which makes all the sides of the world.

He sure does of course California needs the help. They need even more than we knew we -- also have bills been filed in the Massachusetts legislature. To accomplish this.

Well sure there have been a couple of bills have been paying their efforts so few years there was one recently there was Faldo looking at the port here my request. And as that one would step to the rules committee.

Why isn't not moving forward and you know I -- is this a partisan thing isn't Democrat versus Republican. I.

Well you know what that does it mean I. My I have I have to talk about it one is. Sure politics plays a pleasurable this stuff -- question about that and the other pieces that. This is an election year and it's no secret -- That many in the legislature don't like to deal with any kind of sensitive issues. What it's an election years.

This is a sensitive issue I'll -- what he's a large constituency. -- opposed to this.

Well actually I know that's not based on what. -- the response we've got some from people all over the.

hard for -- in May to might not be in favor of the -- we'd like to think that our legislators. Would pay less attention to that constituency. And more to those of us outside the prison.

That's the probably because the -- had to be we will Luke you know I think we're all tired of this site give it. -- that the taxpayer is always have to be at the back toward the people who contribute at least always around the front of the lord give me about the community to -- Have to change.

Let me understand the show who what has to happen no bills pending now on this issue right of the legislature. To get one -- should happen as a matter of process. What would have -- happened to make this go the next step.

Well it's true it's in the Senate rules committee right now and it needs to be. They've -- they'll ask you it was an actual quote certain rules and now. The Senate rules if you give it back considered. You know we have a problem with certain and they need to sign a bill number two -- you get it out there all the people -- an actual committee hearing and then. Get -- we. -- people hurt so.

Is is this something that the president of the Senate. Is deliberately stonewalling her just mean and not paying attention to order watch.

Well we had that I had to ask clippers are reported to grow personally and it. We need with a guy from the chairman of the rules committee to build an open house rules committee --

Who knew him -- that who's that.

I don't know --

Did the head of the Senate rules committee the committee. The house rules dimensions dimensions.

People really should finish and it bend over to the rules committee on the Senate side. And now. The Senate needs to to. Given its blessing -- say okay. Let's give it to a committee. Are they -- that would go back to what else go committee a little bit it'll be debated in committee and heard. What testimony that we can so hopefully get this thing got a committee and onto the floor give them -- because violently. The taxpayer's solution Barney became -- We will all hear your voters that this is the problem of government. -- it really have to solutions it's either we're gonna we're gonna raise your taxes to keep services. Or we're gonna touch surfaces but never gonna talk about cutting property expert.

it's remarkable that question we can't help but. The influenced by the fact that five dollars is the same number that the registry. Managed to a fever and who actually managed to impose on the rest of us who we want to visit the registry. And then he -- chasing they're never in trouble with that and the legislature didn't have trouble with that sustain five dollars -- strike down right away by the governor because. Before open arms. And this one seems to be languishing in the -- and you'd expect our politicians to be able to do something as you say here's a way of of reducing costs a little bed. It's just remarkable -- of the Cuban fighting this for a few years you must be even more frustrated than the rest of us through this really hearing about it.

Well you know what I don't Sylvia it it's frustrating but in my place so that I -- I am very committed to seeing. Government reform and a way to particular people are tired like everybody else's. Having. Always that the taxpayer speaking out saying we need this we need that in just being ignored me you can't keep telling people that. That we can't make ends meet you have to -- school program cute children if you wanted to keep an after school programs you gotta pay. And knowing all the while that there's ten million dollars to -- could have in the coffers can be be helps save those programs. We're senior program which you just don't wanna explore for either. If your personal your personal reasons that you don't like the bill or what have you not put it out here to secure the people. It's just it's just. We've been discovered notes it's gonna change we've got to sort focusing -- matters to people use common sense solutions. We've got one little driver revenue stream that that frankly. What -- for at least be able to have accused afterschool programs and keep them keep walk the streets and.

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You're somebody had to -- joint. -- I -- western mass and I used -- living with cancer and can't. Years ago I think problem here in the sixties and seventies they had a small facility had called unity. -- which you employee disability inmates doing. Look at that he's gaining quick that we can't -- fears and furniture and things like that and I think what they did was to put money -- it. Ordered into an account. Sitting in -- when they were released a local -- equity. President. When they were released that -- when -- at least the portion of the money to help. Start you know hope we have a better way. It itself the first from the constant sure Lou you know incarceration. I think it's great idea I site supporting 100% what you're -- And that may be to be taken a step further it was a conference format.

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Well we actually we actually -- finishing program we have a program where we produce products further bistro where we we actually generate revenues but the way. The wind did study in which are paid here is that there are able to earn good time up to. Up to seven have to use a book and so what the way they are that's -- you're working in the facility you're doing any of those programs. That they're we're just spoke of based. They can do a platoon has particular -- and have -- for being an education program beginner to would have for being give I don't work. What program particular -- and -- for being giving the British substance abuse.

Children immediately jump in -- I don't watching a program just last night with Jimmy -- these programs from time to time. Snowmobile and now GO lore the Discovery Channel loomed so and I really on the Military Channel and then they focus on what's going on prisons and he's just horrendous. They show you of the gang warfare. -- violence all over the overcrowded. I found myself watching and saying hey. And we can't go on like this is that the way it is where where you want restore counting Aurilia and not dare you had experienced. Of these horrendous conditions in some of these overcrowded. And maximum security prisons.

Well we look -- we have we have cape province -- north York county you know we have for a produce different which -- You know -- that -- would talk to complete its. We -- related issues and of course what goes all the street into pulling its federal prison and we have a difficult time in our our compass because it will facility was destroyed. They basically -- so that we only have 29%. If you can believe -- 29% of ourselves but actually walked. So when you're.

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Do you have riots and -- the gangs occasionally getting into with each other have.

Should or should it not not not -- we we we we have we do have. We try to keep beginnings -- and our potential what.

Should be done about this some in the stores and I'm seeing as -- should just horrendous.

Well look we have is we have a very strict accountability appropriately here we don't. You know make sure they're very clear about what the rules or have we don't have put a push to go over there broad issues was. Weapons and things like that but we -- we have a -- restrict accountability program appear with regards to how we we've huge corporations so. Are we we've got a request stations which we don't we open it to limit to any problems. We -- write in 2000 that -- was they have done. -- that was spoke we have a lot to do with the signing of the facility there and that type of folk we have some. Three guys were pretty tough guys who inserted prior to -- pushed well so. Some locals sort of broke a problem for us.

What level of security is your --

Well we have we have of course we have we have minimum to medium and actual security put. Of arm actual sentence is two and half years. So.

Let me tell you one more call anyone alive Mike you're next on the program good evening Mike. Lou I. Guess high.

I just a quick question -- I got I got to support they got caught the there was this gentleman talking about -- is that that collect understand and that it needs is a group fortunately have never known anybody imprisoned. I have never been prison but others say your club this money to pay for those who -- their orders this is transferred over to the assembly.

Well that's good question first of all. The bittersweet this release is not your responsibility is responsibility of the person that you're committed to -- it's so the way it works is. A lot of these guys or coming here with hundreds sometimes thousands of dollars of their -- Where they have Becket -- so they have people serving well boy he had put. And it's their responsibility if somebody has -- count we still got to their captivity for the five dollars and so you're free you're you have nobody. We give you don't all the way up to -- tell you what was that five dollars for everything you read here. However this is this is that this is sick via picture however if you don't come back within two years. Just go back -- neighborhood -- the people who follow the rules laws you community. What you bill.

I wish I wish -- you have your -- for some of the bills I --

Yeah but but but but how well -- both but but but the planet I don't want to -- the fact they owe money as an excuse as to why -- You know why do -- let's record. And it gives them to also be sort of took to do to polite group of -- of successful. Reintegration they've followed your rules you --

going sheriff Tom Hodgson while sheriff. You're on the right track I just shall be at the legislature to do it sometimes common sense seems to be in short supply were there on Beacon Hill.

Some are being helped everybody out of the legislature's establishment. Its people the people have a right to two. --

Thanks bill for me whether this is evening getting give us -- on national urban success with the program. Okay let's see we're gonna jump ship yet again first we will patient bills and I can assure you that more than five dollars. We lose some in -- And they'll be back on the other side wanna get to that story that I mentioned earlier. About the lead issue pregnancy and what you can and can't do in your business establishment which you shared. We should not be able to do in your business establishment your thoughts will be welcome. Among Nelson and this is valley car program.