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Stephen P. Anzalone Jr. is living proof that the state's probation service is family friendly. When Anzalone was appointed a probation officer in 2007, he was set to join his father, his sister, and two cousins who were already working at the agency. He also had an uncle and another cousin working elsewhere in the trial court as court officers. We will speak with reporter Jack Sullivan, half of the team that broke this story. Want to talk hacks?

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18774694322. Thanks to Michael sole woman from Michael's -- came over early this week but that's great. It's Boston's best Delhi is it's on. Harvard streaming Coolidge corner in Brookline Massachusetts it always wins the award for the best deli in Boston and he brought over some more to Della. All -- some rolls and some ups and some -- Some good stuff Michael delegates the best selling in Boston stop on by -- might sell low and -- order Howie Carson which would brisket and and corned beef. Thank you Michael sole woman 18774694322. Were just thinking about it during the break. You know I have I have it set up so that any time mini story appears about Whitey Bulger any time. Again I get to story you know it's just I I had someone I don't know how senate -- I had someone else the what's forming. Why does the Heinz. Many thought they got all these people on the payroll of -- convention center authority. Why don't they have something set up so that anytime their mention that it's gonna pop up somewhere at somebody's gonna say it. And I mean might they've gotten a heads up on this fate bridal show. -- was gonna go on if you think that I thought everybody -- started doing that about five years ago I guess not. It's it's it's still a hacker Ramadan there for any Joyce in the boom and the boys are gone by -- any costs. Two rhesus the only -- they're all gone I guess but that still the it's still the same old pack mentality yes. Speaking a pack mentality -- There is a there's there's -- controversy brewing right now. About the probation. Department which is in the trial court in the probation department has become sort of idea. A world class -- program. And it operates. Outside of the and that Deval Patrick is trying to get his hands on this site -- Graham. And one of the one of the people it's been doing a lot of work on this one of those organizations as commonwealth magazine. And it's that to the people are working have been working on this story are former reporters one is up Bruce mall is a former reporter for the global the other -- Jack Sullivan he's a former reporter for the -- in and he's been an editor of the patriot ledger as well he also worked at the globe. And last week I wrote about. Joe -- new Chi's cousin buster in about how we got a job as a fraud examiner. And Jack got -- email and said you know that there there's some other -- there's some other people that are fraud examiners who have interesting backgrounds. One of losing any -- unions alone junior. And I gotta tell you busy I mean Stevens lone juniors the tip of the iceberg in the probation department -- I I wanted to just sort -- and I know we don't do as much -- grandma. As as a lot of you might like but it tonight we're gonna do some hacker ram here. And joining us now is Jack Sullivan the views -- came up with all the Stevie -- alone stopped -- had in my column yesterday I did. I do a little bit elect work you know to find out about the auditors club. And a little bit Jack thanks for be on the show.

Leo Leo are very good very good time longtime. She visited this is a great story that you would Bruce small the whole -- they have dot. It will look good on the whole list for the love will go down the list lovingly at night and I'm sure that your getting a lot more you're gonna be getting a lot more information about the polar.

Transom under the tour in the emails over the phone knows your name is that.

Well let's just start out though with Steve begins alone -- junior who is now -- fraud examiner working with cousin prospect. If it hit it huge hit enough auditor Joe blow Joe good dude she's office now how. How exactly did Steve -- alone end up. As a fraud examiner what cousin -- there.

Well he does not sure how he ended up we have little effect that deal to -- but he was counting on didn't come through. He was appointed by the commissioner wrote John O'Brien and our commercial probation no. Back -- know all week to our position or probation -- Subject to the approval of the Chief Justice of the administration mantra which is just judge Joe Morgan but Robert -- Yes and if you know. Apparently doing media. Course of examining the bombs this curriculum these. It has applications. It's come to find out that does mr. handle alone. Was carrying on eighty want -- we tradition of becoming employed by the trial court. A bomb although he only at least three people on his application where the application so you have to Iowa. List I would be relatives who are members of flora or employees of the trial court. And gate yacht found out that there were he would have actually -- the second he gets six others. Quote that not -- may be handled all of his father. Who is Stephens senior and his sister. Who also has surname -- along. We're -- so probation officers as well where is they present. Did she didn't list but he did most of uncle who is city. Of course. I mean hey I'm sorry gum or not up to -- it -- cousin who we didn't list is a court officer. And basically might consider -- and you even -- this should call we set up a mess is not. And and he says he'd -- XTO appointment. --

it's it's like the National Football League you know one team places you on waivers. The may be a spot and another --

And it's a piece of the Pentagon had it been hesitant appearances this cute detail that. Stephen has blown no Jews here Iran has challenged that and it's in court don't judge -- would give this decision has been held up at a lower court. And it's gone into the appeals process -- now on the dark to be heard yesterday actually.

And and the his -- in -- of the basic defenses that you know we have there's seven in salons on the payroll -- less than 1% of the entire payrolls well. -- I can hardly -- second hardly hardly be considered not a test.

Then what we actually know the other Audubon that would -- Okay -- that may be actually a miniscule percentage of double what percentage of hands warns does that make aren't being on the payroll.

Right here and let me just he wants -- what you want to gobbledygook did you drive home here is say here here's their description of YE judge Mulligan has no right to it to strike this. This dedicated public servant from the payroll. His power quote is confined to the noncompliance. Of an appointment with the appointment standards not noncompliance with personnel standards more generally.

That could. But -- would which basically means is again it's nepotism but so what.

Ya -- exactly exactly. That's all -- the so then so then this fine public servants Steve in the world who I believe by I was told by Joe the new -- people but he no the only way Joe knows this guy handle on mr. of the BC football program.

And a good football program it is so it's.

And so he so. At any rate Stephen -- senior by the way is a first assistant chief probation officer resigned as well was tell yet. -- you can judge the worth of a job by the number of diminutive -- in the title. And here we have first. Assistant. Chief. Then we can he would serve include probation though so you know this is this guy makes 82000 a year Steve cancel out so his so he he starts becoming interest that. In state auditor Joe the new cheese up political. Future. In 2007. Just you know I I don't know if there were storm clouds on the horizon or what. But in the end two in a 2007 Steve ensor and senior -- 200 dollars. Two why is to mr. Roy the new chief. April of of 2008. -- alone junior is struck from the payroll. May of 2008. The new -- picks up in -- junior on waivers M on June 20. Mr. and mrs. Stevens a lone senior borrow max out and give. A 500 dollars each to jump and coaching. It's a small world -- Jackson --

And so we ended -- credit that was -- reported on this one -- well do you view uncovered at trailed. There should -- didn't do so many hours in the days for me to do appropriations side.

That's true yes and a and then of course that what they say is it's it's ought to mere coincidence that that he's going it'd -- contributes in June after his son gets hired in May. Because June is win the state auditor always had his. Annual fund raiser for the auditors club I'm sure you've been to many auditors clubs times in the past I.

It is it is how we as the saying goes all relative.

But a so it's that's right this is just unbelievable that but the whole thing would be a probation department is there they're kinda like above everybody else I mean they did this guy O'Brien. Can do whatever he wants correct --

Basically we have another story how we a mighty always small we mentioned have another story you know a little while Beck he's been enough following me. Hum the policy side of it in in the history side of it basically. Com it's traditional O'Brien. Was granted. The power to hire and fire in -- oversight. -- 2001 he was appointed in 117. In the -- is there is an argument that well on his part in his supporters are dead because they struck those sheep Shearer. Did tenure back in 111 that he is necessary as part time tenure.

Lifetime tenure and well -- to another Freeney joyous at the Lindsay joins us of that program this to play the tin whistle and a bit of ice.

We don't need a big EC BC and was given the but the power through the legislature. In 2001 then. In there have been -- Speculation there's been talk -- has -- some -- truly yours you concede commercial royal reporting. They added that he could have very tight relationship with the legislature and and then in turn. Obviously I'm open to world listening to their recommendations.

Yes -- nationwide searches going on even as we speak at the probation office.

Britain -- in the in the most recent budget the they dig -- Judgment given. Move money within his budget wherever she deems fit which is still good management tool to -- out. With the exception of the probation department the judge took away his power to. Or perceive that budget. So basically what you have is C department of the trial court did is not responsive forcibly -- trial court oversight.

It's it's like it's like a legislative slush fund but it's a slush department.

Very -- he'd been hit with the media how it's. Yeah I -- if you go back to have it when this first occurred back in 2001. -- deal -- see Bristol cup juvenile -- court judge. Bum who talked about open to potential dangers in. Just so the relationship between the legislature Andy -- department head distinguished team score and he's now retired. And our Q what a letter to the SEC at the time into legislature. Detailing these so moves by eighty. They compliant Bristol county clerk. Who's basically do our hiring friends who have been and recommendations of legislators.

Right and in the course and of course you get taken care of in the budget -- just the other.

At the time was the legislative leadership apparently prefers the type of one stop patronage shopping it would change the first self work. In hopes that commissioner probation will be equally accommodating.

And indeed he has been.

that they're saying yeah there there is and I didn't know mine too well legislative. Recommendations weren't.

Mr. words mr. O'Brien resides. When you -- Quincy. Quincy there's another there's a statewide officeholder from Quincy is they're not.

yes it's not far down the road is so treasurer Kay hill.

Treasurer -- held now. Now what John O'Brien the commissioner of probation has a wife named a lot Lyle. Correct -- worse she employed Jack B would you know let off the puppy had.

if it's the same when they're looking at how we believe that she's a watery.

Yes for 50950. Dollars a year another he has a daughter to named Kelly rose O'Brien yes. -- issue worked in the dreaded private sector of the public sector.

She is eighty public employees. --

It where where in what department.

She's a greater focus.

She's a claims the analyst issue not nearly 38500. Dollars a year.

Suggests. But that's not the only your member of mr. O'Brien's -- who works in the public sector who who else might -- Genevieve -- She actually works in the probation department.

The probation at what the what is second. How can she work in the probation department -- that we don't have Biden it is an effective as they are we do have some anti nepotism laws in this benighted commonwealth.

I bet not privy to -- hub -- curriculum vitae issues Kelly but does she works for. There's an administrative assistant in the opposite community corrections which is a part of the probation service that. Mr. O'Brien grand before he was supporting commissioner.

Oh okay now it now lumped into the the yet another daughter her name to -- this and by the way this is all that at the website for commonwealth magazine. How how how can people go and get these at this information for themselves to.

Very simply go www. Commonwealth magazine dot org.

Commonwealth magazine dot org this is all you -- this you guys have done a great job -- put this all together. So we have -- who's another daughter of the above the O'Brien clan.

and I actually Clinton on the payroll but she got what many turned to be a coveted intern -- probation several years ago who appointed mr. I don't just judge John. 117.

Now did now what do any of his relatives worked in the public -- third judge delayed judge you're ones relatives where they work.

But aren't funny you should ask how we can. -- Community corrections -- 61000. A year -- 61 and changeup.

That there's a guy named Eugene or when we talked about this last week I could never quite figure out I've written about the year awards in the past by never -- award it British how would you gene. Related to add to the late judge or one.

I know obviously how we can't see ya definitively. But -- was confirmed for us by the probation department that he is a relative. But they they would not say the relation. I know -- judgment when has Big Brother Eugene who lives down on the tape.

Then there it -- this this you -- that's on the payroll a he makes 83000 dollars a year of probation department.

Well he's a regional blood director for the ER electronic monitoring program basically electorate. -- program.

Now there's another or one daughter now we're gonna -- she in the private no public sector.

She's over at the -- course she is the first assistant clerk could not conquered.

All the Carter district court that first assistant clerks that's good for about 90000 plus a year I believe is --

9234. 2034.

As that we come to these there's the there's a member of the Bulger Klan isn't there in the probation the.

He has the there's somebody who president a former senate president bill boulder crushed Bulger. He's the deputy commit your probation.

how much does he make.

I'm -- and I don't post reported that he was not a hundred made tried 46 but the most recent. Payroll shows about a 114.

Yeah that's what I noticed -- minute there's a brother Patrick who who came off the who retired I believe in his forties from the MBTA now he works in the court system as well.

That's according to what I heard how we have wasn't able to confirm that -- there's there was one in the same Patrick still waiting on the an email response.

I believe we nailed it down in the packers' defensive about a commonwealth club magazine is not doing all the work on this week nailed I just -- a -- just welcome to a payroll one day I -- Patrick -- trying to -- What else she thought it was on the MBTA and then it turns out it retired from the MB TI. It's just astonishing this'll think what's what let's say a couple calls we got more stuff to go through here and by the wedding and that people have many if people wanna give you more information. Because Jack have a feeling that you wouldn't Bruce and the rest of us have merely scratched the surf you're not gonna wrap -- That's terrible way to put it we win and I called a concerned citizens line.

What we we how we create a nonprofit where we're actually trying to work developed this. Of type group a governmental oversight in eighty is he responsible responsible way. Yes and then some people certainly can email media -- chase open. That's one word -- the mask and there may SS -- NC dog org.

JJ Solomon at mass. And -- illustration calls your people wanna talk about this 18774694322. We're talking about the probation department of buddy this is department it's totally out of control. I united -- I have a lot of confidence in Deval Patrick getting control -- this thing you know I just think you would be new packs roll but. There's a serious problem here you know lack of oversight just an agency totally run --

And it he also how he has it has approach the job if it is mentioned his concerns of both. Favoritism nepotism and and in the -- do it. The anecdotal evidence at least certainly beer -- those concerns.

Nepotism. Favoritism most are fighting words and excellence. Greg your next with how we guard and -- all of a reporter for commonwealth magazine go ahead Greg.

Well rescued packet toward the ball or it because I mean are obviously favored isn't -- it's -- on and not of those people are very birds. Oh about the big issues right there.

Listen I'm sure they're totally of people for melted on that on that payroll is just.

I write it like I came particularly in order form of -- just up the journal radio off -- did -- You oughta put you gonna where they aren't trying to porn site between. Duque hell or Charlie Baker yeah I -- baker described by boat out there have storage. Particular are here and it's our quick either outside air and development interests -- the best hope they hold different you know but the -- different battle dress different department at federal level. You know different I mean it it. It out. I don't kind of suspension what are you trying to block -- I have to one part of what do some about the tank you built that many. And bit -- I can see why you know don't supplies.

Thanks for the call Greg 18774694322. And let's just go down between calls here. Jack Steve but door he's a he's on the front page of The Herald today you know he's fighting for the to get the five dollar fee at the registry of motor vehicles. Rescinded. Does see he have a wife. Who's in the criminal justice system.

This is one -- and how he is so eight member of the probation service.

All hearing yes here's Steve -- right here.

She is so obviously -- some sort of probation not.

Sort of social okay it's okay I'm sorry I thought it was Steve but door was calling him Woodson another Steve wants to talk about that. Okay -- go ahead Steve your next with how we -- Jack Solomon go ahead stave.

Thank that they probably should not be worked out a way to have a -- because you December direction and I'm just I didn't. --

Jack you were telling me it's you she's not listed on the SF five the statement of financial interest you're supposed to list close relatives of of yourself who would have state jobs correct.

She was not on that how we actually you know we had -- a story last year on the asset size and are huge he did not list any well other relatives who worked in our state government. In the NRC. So -- doing the probation stop and I was looking through the the payrolls I found to reporters on their one being Steve go would be in the door. And then through looking that. Are. There are register these records in voting records and things like I was able determined that. In the door was indeed his -- so -- talked to senator Adori ass robot that. And he shut it was an oversight this if you would be collecting that I have not looked to see if -- it's been abandoned free files plus. Obviously he didn't because he did confirmed that it was his waist and that she would be on his justifies but the other interesting thing about. Dad is according to one of his filings with the stayed at this commission. He also who is as a probably represents Sebastien is chief probation officers. Made at the same time he's been -- chair of the Judiciary Committee which overseas trial court's budget.

And his wife is on the payroll. No boy god. 18774694322. Day and your next with powered car and Jack Sullivan from commonwealth magazine go ahead --

Yeah I use artists say you know it's probably going on everywhere I mean not just to the probation department. And it's all over the place and now I'm not always a Massachusetts -- enough. So many other states as well and I really don't think anything's gonna ever happen or become a better date but he could have a great thing about it.

Well how about how about we first of all cap the number -- and loans it's sexy but what about that just for starters it. -- did I don't did Jack and I in and probably you we don't live in any of these other states and we will live in Massachusetts in this things out of control.

I argue our next what you're saying there's probably not only probation department it's probably everywhere you work at the probation department did. -- I don't know I don't -- it that actually.

Actually again they use -- they used to say that about the MDC as well.

Well I had I don't know if that's a good example Jack I mean that's changed its name but its its stripes are pretty much the same you know -- that it -- up plummet it's just it's more Plymouth County hacker -- and now the -- Suffolk County hacker or -- that's the only thing literally changed as far as like NC. You wanna stick around for awhile longer we are much more these people would go through -- crowd really hold on hold on 18774694322. We're talking about the probation department if you if you're the -- alama. This is pure on this this is pure distilled. Hacker ram this evening 18774694322. On -- Howie Carr.

Y 87746. Tonight. 432218774694322. Witnesses Jack Solomon. He's a --

Quarter for commonwealth magazine. And he and Bruce -- another another room report for commonwealth magazine. -- I have been working on the -- all in the family. The probation department. The Commonwealth of Massachusetts and it's just -- Is just amazing and you know what again Jack I know that there's there's got to be a lot more people out there that you would Bruce and I and reporters don't know about end you would you would like -- all of us -- in the reporting business. It's not so much slow that is it is -- and I were were always looking for new snatches.

of the great things how we vote this but the end won't suit is that because we never would've known. These cousins in the young girls it wasn't for this -- because they don't have the handle won't name right.

They'll literally. Yeah -- the prendergast and no. That. Then you know that's that's that's the hard thing about -- is telling me you know well yourself whether you all the years so looking at different payrolls it is. You don't stick unless you know the names -- the only can make that direct them. Connection it is awful hard to find a book you know lead they eventually but what to the surface.

Right and if anybody's got any more information for Jack what is the what's your right email address Jack.

Its educational but one word that's the -- So forbidden that mass -- ME SSI and C dot org.

Let's do what we'll do one more related person here and then we won't take some more calls and we're just keep going back and forth. Representative Mike Costello Newbury port I believe he is the son of a former state senators are not.

I believe he's one in the same. And he also serves as the chairman of the joint committee on no public safety and Homeland Security which oversees probation. Issues.

And he has a wife named Caroline. Now always Karen in the private sector.

She is not how we the no she actually works as a probation officer. Also they can supreme.

You're gonna knock meal would have to other. Dave -- next with Howie Carr and Jack Sullivan from commonwealth magazine go ahead day.

The -- no other -- YouTube bridge -- way to do it and rip you looked at the last -- expert. Being so lackadaisical go that's why these clowns get away -- air and nobody you know everything is brilliant about it. You guys -- accessories. Since you didn't hear reality you know Gloria America. Act as its big act. Stacked. A bill didn't.

Thanks for the call day 1877469432. To a next we come to the speaker pro tem of the Massachusetts House of Representatives. -- Thomas Petro petrol lot of this is the guy who I believe said that he did not know what river the -- Tobin Bridge. Ran over. Yeah and it. Number 911. After it hit it was under oath at the time and nothing ever happened to -- so they obviously believed he was. Well I don't know perhaps not the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree. Thomas petrol -- he -- he has a wife to she worked in the public of the private sector.

I don't I think -- that they that is C. Rhetorical question yes it is at this point. -- can -- she also is a regional love program director Robert regional program manager for the electronic monitoring program. We're -- the lens works -- one of the year once works and he makes how much she's so. On the books -- 88059.

I see a name here Della hunt why does that name ring a bell.

You think we have a congressman by that may.

curse than do we know who curse -- is curse than a niece or her daughter.

Then I don't know how we got one nodded when you click view that one.

Would like that would -- take you would like to know though we still need to know that information curse than. Okay and of course she's not to be -- she must also be related to Bob Delahunt who used to be an assistant district attorney in -- once ran against senator Bob have like I remember him. Yes it. So do we -- miles your next with Howie Carr ended Jack -- glad miles.

Good evening how -- do so that our miles. I'm fine how are you a wolf thanks -- how we have five always. He had won a slight criticism of Q when it comes to the subject of acknowledging. That's. It's -- you won't laugh about things that I just find our outrageous.

If it miles if I don't laugh I'd be cry it. You know why depress myself I.

Let you know where you're going right down this list -- sort of blasting and yet I am out rage these people have to fill out these statements saying to me they are related. I guess stalemate names. Bombed a few weeks ago. You that you wrote a column about the nearly illiterate emails -- produced by hacks and I thought to myself. This is just a start up often wondered or would like to see. Don't work product of all of these people and all of these departments or related to whether they have any competence I would like to see. The paperwork that they generate pursue projects and wonder whether it takes them two months to complete a project. Dead someone seriously and competent with. -- only one week.

I -- I don't know the answer to that the -- Jack.

I do not -- yet we don't. I think part of this Hollywood promote series it is not to say they are they are not qualified I don't know that they think. This that the public has a right to know armed connections with people have been better getting onto the public payroll. Then and then even if they are qualified does that mean that there's nobody -- also disqualified.

Right there there's a lot of people out of lot of families out there as we all know whoever not one but two people unemployed and they could they can use one of these jobs does that this job not only is not my dad paid these jobs -- not bad paying. They come with fall health insurance they come with a -- behind the job.

This interpublic Java is not supposed to go to the best connected it's supposed to go to the best qualified and if the person who is a relativism disqualified fine. Oh did did get that splendid but go through the process.

Franklin county sheriff's Frederic McDonald's. He has a wife named Paula.

He goes and she probably has a probation officer after her name on the payroll.

Vincent.

There's a name I was really know that you if it yeah they select.

Yes another another son of winter hill. Yes from. 88000. Is an assistant chief probation officer in the -- court. Let's -- more calls here Matt you're next with Howie Carr and Jack Solomon from commonwealth magazine. --

Out -- Dot to actually built so -- daughter. Okay. You have -- should have met that sort of mind always give it another daughter whose name begins with KE com. Who's got no public sector so I don't wanna -- data -- I took a real estate course were very so we've -- ever actually -- business god my Rolodex.

Well she's she's got a she's moved it she's moved on to a better place now -- to probation. Payroll thanks for the call. Up. Barbara your next with how we car and Jack Sullivan go ahead Barbara --

Act very Gilroy question. And so always other related to that if the army. Not to -- to blue find out.

Ted Ted -- alone was a -- lawyer in the North End who while was also way up fund raiser for Iraq Kevin White and he was indicted and he he appealed and was who would lead the conviction was thrown out on appeal --

But no he is originally from me then.

Right and he's married to Joey pre borrow. Who used to was used to have the job that sister sunshine now has make big money he has the city core can --

Another a lot of them alone. And so long days. And -- its wonder and let's see the original connection.

I don't we we don't know I don't know that they're there are a lot of hands along style so.

Yeah I would I would tend to think not farmer every week we absolutely thought of that right away is well and and then. Looked into what we do it was dole will inclination that they were roadside anyway.

Thanks for the call -- Barbara. How -- Jerod Geraldo. Alicea. -- idea where he -- now a state where.

He's just stay right up early. And then he also sits on the joint committee on public safety and Homeland Security.

And what is the used to be before it became a state --

He was a probation officer which which may contribute to his knowledge first sitting on the -- joint committee on public safety and Homeland Security.

My my we Shockey is he has no relatives on the payroll not a front. I'll keep look at the one -- didn't quite know who won 8774694322. Tom your next with how we card Jack Sullivan glad bomb. --

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