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Two weeks from Sunday there Ivory Coast in the Saint Patrick's Day breakfast it's kinda sad isn't it how hot hot hot hot hot. I gotta bring UN a couple of teacher it's from college I feel like. All roads lead to Ireland all roads lead to sell the that we're gonna give some some stuff away in anticipation of the greats and then I'm looking forward to another -- Fred green eggs and -- senator Jack -- will be the -- they're letting him do it again after last year -- absolutely -- shall be there another friendly Osama you like -- we called -- he kind of fell in love -- Rhode -- some believe although -- as an opponent so we'll get a month -- and find out you know that -- a couple of opponents -- by -- will come on we'll have the -- the twenty pounds session the half half half half. You know this is a fascinating story about the way we talked about this I think it was last week -- time plus -- have so much fun. On the show but central falls Rhode Island disease in the news for a lot of reasons not the least of which is still dreadful schools -- socialists which school scores. Test results. From one of the schools and Arnie Duncan. Barack -- president Barack Obama's secretary of education. He is pretty tough innovative no nonsense guy and he has taken a stand with regard to this schooled on Rhode Island. That puts him in a head on head long collision boom like this head on collision I should -- Between the -- the Obama administration and Todd is gonna faint when I say this. The teachers unions the AFL CIO the teacher's union specifically all completely agitated and a great great uproar about central falls. And the decision may down nearby school superintendent -- him a Frances Gallo. To fire. Every single teacher ninety's or not just the -- 93 names were read aloud. In the high school auditorium as the central falls school board of trustees voted 522. To -- every one of them 74 classroom teachers. Reading special how exciting guidance counselor how are excited said teachers the school psychologist the principal. At three assistant principals all fired effectively. Las night Todd are exciting is that it's unbelievable was a -- that I could have happened actually there's and that wasn't trying to anyway when --

How do you feel. Because -- can fill holes of the labor youth movement of labor has obviously. As the country disintegrates under the blue weight of our unions. And I think there's been a shift in attitudes been used to be you could never do anything. Against the unions and in schools. That remains the case for the Democratic Party Democrats are very reluctant even -- movement there's actually movement within the Democratic Party to have good education. To -- the unions -- their partnership with the unions but how do you feel about this shift is a positive thing we've actually got. And -- fight going on. Where the management of a school systems say hey we're gonna fire this this school basically were shut down the school start over. -- under the rules are allowed to hire up to 50% of the teachers back. But what they're saying -- I saw one of the teachers on TV the other night saying we've been working so hard. For the last twenty years to turn this school around the she said and now or finally beginning to make some traction and now they're firing -- us. And I've said thinking to myself she doesn't get it 21 years is too long to turn how many. How many generations of kids have you screw up their lives with a lousy school well while you're waiting for more time to turn the score beauty.

You know you really you take the words out of our Arnie Duncan smiles. And he says look I have no idea no doubt that this is hard work and is a very tough decisions but in his his quote students only have. One chance for an education. And if the historic pattern is abysmal performance listen to this by the way the graduation rate in this school in particular. 48. Percent we'll talk about high school we're talking about the United States of America -- the 2010. Notice that I -- that he gave any reasonably intelligent. Ten year old could probably graduate from high.

School that 40% that's sounds like -- put it the head of the country -- have a tough -- doing my -- schools graduated Berisha that show so how does that 48% mean of those who enter the high school in ninth grade presumably. That's 48% of those kids will graduate I is that I assume that that's what it means some assuming that whether they start to measure because I tenth grade I understand is no I was a 50% drop out rate. Okay sorry I'm taken maybe the 40%. Graduation rate means of the kids who get to their senior year. 50% or graduate and sometimes still -- measure drop outrage from a different standards to different days you know from fifth grade to twelfth grade how many people do we -- All the rest of that stuff that of the report says that there are very low test schools but there's no. Kind of MCAS equivalent. That we could measure against and a graduation rate here's a person has a question and Arturo says a tough tough flock are you offended by the idea that there should be any standards for school or should -- be able to go for ever. Failing because that's what the unions want and I thought we're pro union society. Should we support the unions in their desire to let bad teachers teach forever intellect that's schools go on forever 6172666. Seats are.

You what I got into little argument about this the other day and I'm I'd I'd like what I need Duncan is doing there has to be an adult that has to be some insistence on. Reasonable standards are even excellent standards and -- reasonable expectation to meeting those standards in a reasonable time frame you can't go for 20/20 five years it's -- would been working around the clock. I realize that this is the point I -- with Utah it's not JS too stubborn. And incompetence. In on caring teachers and their route teachers who fault who blue route to whom those adjectives apply. We are asking the teaches in the United States of America to overcome a cultural. Rift that is frightening it is absolutely appalling. How pathetic some parents and in that they took the parents themselves I incapable I never did.

some parents not the shoulder of the -- are the issue the issue of education begins and ends at. Home can't control home -- no you cannot say so it's irrelevant to this congress are not relevant URL somebody's international name and reputation. -- compensation India Korea hostage to that nonsense that's going on in our society there are celebrations Paris Hilton there are schools that take all those bad kids and get them great educations and turn them out of the world ready to go to college and succeed and that's why I'm -- we narrative can agree on July Harris are not relevant to how -- patient -- what's relevant is are we going to be a -- society or will be it will -- be -- compassionate one in the vision of the Democratic Party. The compassionate society. Allows the teachers to be bad forever in the schools to be bad forever. Destroying the lives of millions of kids and -- we gotta decide are we going to be compassionate are we knock going to be compassionate you aren't you -- in -- funny I would say even an awkward position how well five cents because the change -- cheer about -- which you are plotting going on done in central falls. Is a direct result of watched. The election of Barack Obama -- appointment dividing I have no problem Barack Obama has one issue upon which she is good. And I think it's a wonderful thing and I celebrate him for having this good issue and that is. That is charter school -- 617%. Circle 6860.

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School. Majority Hispanic apple did you is that dropout rate you can't -- that --

What do you expect these teachers to do what -- out people who don't care about education.

I -- to go back to their liberal democratic benefactors and say stop with the illegal immigrants.

Right right not if you just follow the ordinary the post that.

It's never the teacher's fault I agree with -- they're stuck in a system that is dysfunctional nevertheless that the schools got to be blown up and you gotta start over how long can you fail for.

What they bring are not and it -- you order the number seventeen you're gonna do I guess. Pupils who don't stay here.

Well I don't believe pupils don't care on their own I believe in a good school pupils won't care. So we may be that failure is -- it may be failures in bread in this school even with some good teachers they can hire back 50% of them. And the others can go find a job elsewhere.

You are California attacks that's where this. Huge huge about the Hispanic evidence Google the -- a lot of the -- dropout rate you can't I wanted is that.

Well that's an interesting point we have Jim -- is coming in later on from the pioneer institute which -- studies this kind of stuff all the time. We'll find out of what you're saying is true if half the school. Half. If you have half a school that watering you know what she said you basically she said schools with say a high number of Hispanic students -- have consistently herself dropout rates very very high drop what you said 15% and that is true industry the statistics bear that out though so we should eliminate Hispanics from schools get better rates as well good.

I don't think that's what she says what's -- point but it would it be great to see whether the charter school movement which has had some fabulous success. In teaching. Olympian minority kids and getting themselves to -- to achieve wrote -- incredible levels of illiteracy. It just be interest is who of those child's school stepped into this gap that's not created this mean he on he ought to give.

That was one of the options for the school system and it is an exercise instead of going to charter they went to firing the teachers any good morning your NW RKO.

You know -- Couple on and more about that we're out of there aren't -- you brought up -- a better the end. There there are -- down there are some issues on the unit inside and died of apparent side apparent apathy. I have to be are involved in the on the inside. So -- all over the place but the only way actually. Stop and pick it -- in -- demolish and rebuild it is the only. Way to do it better be because there's somebody has just added that the teachers on average or make an you know or three sport I'm.

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Credit -- at their job -- to teach IRI or their profession. My job is to act. And number eight. Wherever I get paid for my job this bill would dilute the same thing I have to achieve the job and sometimes -- the -- in every situation and have to get creative. And figure out a way to do it and I don't want. Extra competition. For figure out a way to do my job I just didn't do my job and clearly the union was not about. To move jet creator or allow themselves the change -- they're good they are -- well lowered the situation. We're given and that what we're dornin guy you know twenty years that I would get a little bit but that's the and that's that's a bunch of crap they're really it.

Eddie I think you're absolutely right we would not accept this from say the New England Patriots -- with this level fell. Do you think that the union can be on the defensive player and support to become passionate political and economic mindset right now very hostile.

Who is. Who's going to be possible political and economic mindset of the general public yeah very hostile public the general politicians who sell out to be -- what you -- the.

Politicians the one who put these standards in two playlist or you can look musical school fight it on -- the politicians did dad. And now we know we don't end -- a false notre Rania. Well put that music.

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have a graduation rate of 48% at every now and 50% of the students are -- politics. Anyone who he would position because they -- go -- one money power and this. And that we remember and -- in. Students and thank -- very.

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Layoffs of home so. A need for high -- will be vilified by an awful lot of people around this -- from. Having the guts to stand up until maybe what you become a national association had she actually you know we talk about. It's kind of public figures she could be one of them Connie Duncan as well.

You know the implications this to fascinating story at a central falls. High school down in Rhode Island we talked a little bit about -- last week the action that we discussed as possible. Actually happened on Tuesday night. The board of trustees voted five to two to fight it every single teacher and administrator associate with the school under the under the federal regulation they can -- no more than 50% of the back. And the -- negotiations and how to do a turnaround of this terribly troubled schools historically troubled school. Broke down over hours and and end and wages and so superintendent -- felt she had no choice. But the implications of this for Massachusetts -- and that every state. Are are really astounding 5%. The lowest 5% of every state schools have to be identified and the options that they have -- state of the alleged education officials have the following. Closed the school. Option number two take over by a shot -- a school management organization. Three transformation. Which requires a longer school day among several other changes. And turnaround which -- ritual requires the entire teaching staff be fired. And no more than 50% -- hide in the fall knows what super dinner -- wanted to do was initially. Option three transformation. Requiring a longer school day teacher training all sorts of autism is ninety bucks an hour for the extra work and end in Gallo said the best like that Robert -- around thirty bucks an hour. It broke down over that she felt her options at that point one now -- three. And she took the the turnaround big fight these folks and we'll build will rebuild from the ground up go to each.

Originally agreed to a proposed transformation plan but wanted more time to discuss compensation for extra hours worked. It wasn't enough for the superintendent who asked the state to allow -- issue pink slips on Friday. They may seventeenth grand a year in one of the worst schools in the country. And they wanted thirty bucks an hour did you actually they -- ninety bucks started doing extra work and they blocked at thirty how disgusting. Are these unions 61726666. In by the way. There is a war going on in the Democratic Party there are some the president amongst them. Who wanna make the Democratic Party start supporting good schools instead of supporting the unions and there is a big war going on a very exciting moment in the history man.

Occasionally his country -- and Arnie Duncan is not taken a backseat in this he's driving forwarding he Jesse points sell look I realize these are tough decisions so lot of disruption of people's lives including the teachers. But and he emphasizes this students only have one they'll they'll want to shock and educate Democrats have been denying them that chance for generations. LeRoy WRQ good morning.

You know I I agree we aren't many levels it it's funny though because they want -- eight dollars an hour because they lauded overtime. It overshot pretty average teacher would have been more light each. 75. Because you know your average if you wanna -- happy you're gonna say yeah. There are for our so I think -- every five would've been shared. But the idea it's ridiculous and I would imagine that nobody not no teacher is gonna wanna go and -- school against. Early got to be paying. Yeah.

I've been hurting -- yeah the average -- there is seventy grand a year climate teacher Craig miserably failing school. And -- read. It and so why are you why are you willing to say look we've all got a kick in and try to save the school we ought to try to turn it around I would be looking for more money.

You know why this state I dirty work eight hours eight -- half hours yeah actually -- it's. I don't think I can work tank and if.

They weren't asking that there were asking minor little incremental I'm not and I know we talked about this specifically last week and liaison to something here that we can't just gloss over a -- because it's inconvenient they're asking for a longer school day. There are asking fall to pre talked. Tutoring before school stats as well as after school they were looking for. Evening thinks it was a whole series of things and you can say glibly OI went and asked for more this not a personnel -- win they got asked to do more troop does -- at least think. Well -- I'm gonna be asked do we increase high time by 10%. I would explain some compensate.

Why would you not have been able to do it.

Well I like expect -- should be good teacher now I I work he'd be a half hours that day yeah it -- pop it up chit -- You know networking that many hours a week I don't think I could be --

So with what how would more money make you effective.

I don't want more money I think what they need to do it hire other people. On me and like about contractors -- contractors. -- 99. Paid each 3035 dollars an hour to come in the afternoon you're rich -- activity. Also altered you do reach out with a outreach to carry. The problem it a lot of these cute dropping out the typical back to Puerto Rico -- back good about it from public should they go back dealt Salvador that.

that's ridiculous by you know -- if you're gonna ask more. Check your teacher better professional master's degrees. I think if you ask them to do chat hours today is chilly just odd but bring any independent contract.

Currently earn your electric and you know what the source of supply would be for those independent contractors. Those bright eager college -- every good college around he has some of the wanna -- somebody -- sometime never a lot of times it's PC or -- have not -- American labor -- unionized teachers be well on the other -- these days they may have may not but obviously did the unions are now on the defensive when I think Duncan -- the -- the United States are pretty -- sent to the -- hey look. You're up pals but in the but says screw on this stuff the kids come first there -- just says Jeff you're on atomic taught high.

Bye guys boy I wish they had turned construction industry Debbie great I would have to -- intended to follow the -- leave. This support my family. Okay and now all you wanna do would take more money out of my pocket to hire more people into this system. To make a big bureaucracy can't even be able to take more of my tax money we -- species act. Now the private business they would the last twenty years or less than twenty seconds and it's changed.

But it's not let Jeff that's the exact point it's not a drive that business.

Which I'm told the private school would have changed it would make it work so let's make a profit meaning they would at a student body that would have graduated -- also what parent what -- wanna send their kids today.

So what private school -- went crazy when I hear plenty about Jeff Gardner Hamas is I had plenty of opportunities private schools run. Fouls when the going gets tough you know we -- personality.

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