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Ha ha ha ha ha I. I'm totally accepting the reality is exactly the cycle of life I would rather the cycle apply to other people more often not that I'm sorry odds against special rules but god. Oh isn't that -- what do you wanna date this woman hit Canada -- time I was and she's a great American hero -- Who else could be the symbol of all the contempt that we feel the -- she is a magnet for that contentious issues so disgusting apparently don't believe that the system worked -- therapies -- I'm not. She says the system worked obviously because subsystem the fact that she of the -- first of all why does the Obama administration put her out -- to do speaking our guests are planning a firing her. So they figure they can let her take the heat or maybe she's just so low level to them because. She's a secretary of Homeland Security should she is the the official to speak on this there's no question about whether she's competence and found remains not know was there is another -- matter they have heard saying everything was fine now are you what that is is setting a politician up for disaster. When everybody can see plainly things aren't -- had five.
When the something like this happens it seems to me that you wanna show some us some. Something that goes beyond impatience and frustration something that borders on. Anger and determination. To do something about this sent to -- and to not delay about it don't sugarcoat it. We don't need sugar coating particularly at a time like this came very --
Give us sugar she gives some power vacuum. You it was unbelievable just saying well everything worked the way it's supposed storm very proud of -- performance. She was doing they in you do and a heck of a job brownie you have to have more presentation. But she's --
in many ways it is a heck of a job brownie. Kind of model here that that we're looking at -- astounding that there were two tips. Current tips he's not ancient history this isn't some. Disappointed girlfriend some jealous stuff fellow student or anything else this came from within the fellow's family dad specifically. Recent very recent tips then -- followed up with further information traveling in Yemen. Has an -- he has an active multi entry visa into the United States of America. Because up until this point he hasn't been seen -- trouble. But something's happening goes around the ban -- snaps his dad says watch out or at least be alert. And nothing is done with that active -- seems to me that it should be -- Canceled right on the spot I was afraid you have that happen from time to time it happens nobody never had a reason not okay well not a visa but amassed a got. You with a credit -- in which you inadvertently are even your driver's license and it certainly you've come to the expiration date right don't think. He's trying to slight but swipe -- show -- whatever the hell you're with some doesn't work something doesn't we're gonna say -- not going to be able to process this purchase of what. Now this credit count on of these are master charge is that 550000. In the database it has to be probably. Fifty million. People in yet somehow or other debt machinery that equipment that's.
Off I don't even know -- process and are we even electronic on the -- that we issue for people -- or from overseas why would we be able to remove his visa I would -- issue I would allies ice I think because. John and I went for a year passport renewal just last week and all that stuff is scanned the passports are -- ball and I presume -- visas must these it would be the sand but anyway -- bureaucracy broke down. The response is tougher security on us long lines now to get through security he can't get -- your seat now a lot of flights for an hour before you land because of the the way this guy we always for seemed to respond exactly to what the scenario was. There was being carried out a CN characterization of generals are always fighting the last war and they have MAV allows war that may be part of our issue here is that. We built a security system to respond to exactly what happened on September 11 remembered dating used bombs. They came on with Sox got a split apart our guys basically. And you can use anything like that you could use a screwdriver remember we couldn't bring plastic. Plastic knives on her -- whether to bring a fingernail cup I think you know those are dangerous. You ever miss with your clip there are a little bit not compete quite painful but I. Anyway all the security then reacted now we're reacting to the fact that this guy was on approach. Into Detroit. MM by the -- what's wrong with the guy picks Detroit. Detroit you good ball a lot of things that people would notice let them. I -- the streets of Detroit is not an uncommon doubt that's true but anyway he was not approached -- so did the assumption is. That this the the temp plate he's using for this attack is blow up a plane is it's coming down over city. C get a maximum collateral that shadow of the wreckage zone now they're saying they're not doing what one airline shut off their TV's because it TV's include now this is mind numbing. Their team there entertainment center includes one channel has a map on a so the way and they don't want you to see when you're coming in and out the details of what were you are on your flight all of the sequence shot that technology off -- they have to shut off the whole. Entertainment system no TV is furloughs twelve hour flight or whatever well this.
Become silly. Even though the least informed airline passenger in the world understands when you're making an approach yeah you can feel real life and reassembling the you have pressure all the voters speed changes in -- retired about one of the other adjustments and be charged but you'll you will have been warned an hour before. Can I get a party scene if you have these eleven to reduce our next five minutes because after that there's going to be a no. Whatever no leaving your seat rule out. Book of some sort and by the way if you are eight if you Larry terrorist. What carrying explosives and you're determined to blow up the plane we don't abide by the no seat rule can stand up and do whatever they had have to do to -- Well.
This guy went to the bathroom for twenty minutes before he ignited himself. So under his scenario they think he put the chemicals in a condom or some similar sort of airtight storage device. And here it is underwear -- a laboratory to assemble a thing so. If you wanna make sure everyone dies at a high altitude not over an urban area then you would restrict bathroom you sort of during the last hour -- the suit.
It's like okay I see the strategy here American I don't buy any of this stuff forget. The visa issued had been canceled but no blankets or pillows on your lap during the last hour a -- 'cause we also covered himself in a blanket. Nadal. -- yup that's strange so while at the solution seems to be to -- I zVue I know Christmas is gonna come in handy this actually is gonna come in India Kangyo hobeika the only ability. It's it -- to better screening would just be these -- through. Things I don't know how else you find out the people are carrying of why would slow why would any -- I'm serious -- and I wonder if I wanna put that question now why would anybody. Object to this type of screening. That actually takes the view of the body underneath. Your clothes so that if you in fact you are carrying some kind of had to get why did the body he might be smuggling drugs are carrying explosives are variety of other. Things you were the news that we're not supposed to be doing. Why would any -- everybody object.
That's a good question I don't know why anybody would object to see through. X ray device shows like Superman is doing the screening at the airport almost right through your clothes -- aisles of a second question first -- people agree with that its second if you're guy and his good looking women coming through are you gonna make him. You wanna see aside view.
But I'm not. Just just an aside 617 -- yeah I thought I thought I. Sorry could you just spend all there for a moment I'd like pop pop pop up 61 cell that I'm. Not --
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Asian would you I've applied for a job with the TSA if they had the -- through. X ray machine look -- but. And what you would please go with screenings are for women be different than men if you were behind the screen. I thought hot Basra talks cannot even -- Or so what. And if they're young and good luck getting ready heads never get -- half I have a -- every search here. CNN dot terrorism my carrier extra -- hot hot hot I left my thoughts and our. Well there's -- I had to stay is excellent so women are concerned men don't care -- men don't care for women want all Fulham through the X ray machines have been women don't wanna be X -- I think we need they keep me honest Saudi Arabian -- system. We didn't want my old men and the other line okay women you -- search menu do search thought I would object to Levy let's find 6172666060. Tony you're on with Tom talked -- morning.
Are happy holidays Sheldon. Doesn't deserve. The question should not be do you feel they are under bush are Obama.
Cancer and actually that's a really good question which I drop our questions which overnight -- That's a great question Tony well because nobody has a lot of talk about this stuff right now.
Really any -- reminded the during the Bush Administration the crew eye -- surveillance soak -- what you should try and call sheet in how that Democrat -- every car that would try to. Only kick in and America and I'm out there working out now.
Actually these surveillance of foreign calls was a great program and you're right it was craziness -- thank you for Tony your brilliant guy. You're really got a good questions good topics there have been so many lapses however this is not unique to Obama -- only eleven months and twelve months and whatever it is. I don't know and I'll go back to Tony's question who would you prefer. To be in charge now -- you how terror back on the her right.
If it's about establishing a -- I'll tell you what you said that the president to scheduled to make some remarks about this later today. I'll give Tony for I was before I make my final judgment but by preliminary judgment to that question has a feel better under bush. Six what I do feel better under President Bush. That I would over Obama because I don't I think bush was relatively indifferent to the political timidity we keep -- down about and it takes somebody who will take the -- he -- is not gonna worry about oh -- killed -- take five points off my Paul put my poll -- by the way by the way. I think you poll numbers go up if he showed decisive -- leadership.
With the -- she drinks. With the wrong with real true Americans still are but those aren't Obama voters 6172666868. Kevin -- WR KL.
I don't guys let's. Good jockey ever could comment about the if you X ray machine yes. I actually volunteered to go through -- this this summer I want to -- the results. And no particular results but. That's one time I kept my belt thought I kept my wallet in my back in my wallet you know Metallica. Pockets. And I had one of those. -- apology keep Europe passport and around your neck. So I kept that army and I went at a machine voluntarily -- so I Julia purpose to ensure it around but it can -- appreciate of course. As so I got third -- like -- sorry we got to pull you aside and -- Sergio. Packers are doing it in front of everybody. Yeah so it's like okay we got not so they're like okay needed safety belt off our need to search your belt yeah I needed -- lift up pitcher -- let you search and you shared. And I need to feel you can't. And I -- front of everybody -- donors just sort of like this kind of embarrassing scenario like wait a minute -- possibly faster and more accurate. Because as the -- sir thank but it didn't they just because you didn't recognize that I had a law that state recommended wearing about a.
All I -- all right so those those things still much treated the further steps but -- troubled. I -- I wanna make sure I'm clear on him like this are you weren't troubled by the fact that they -- patent on you trousers they gonna lift up is sure at -- And an -- in go through for the steps I mean it it is what it is right.
Right exactly that is just it just does you know I just seems like it's like it's been very good they've been running that system for what six months now released them. If you think very inefficient that they still had just searched without question completely stripped everything off your body they don't think something's Blair.
All -- IE your way -- presumably there are experimenting with this and they're trying to develop the methodologies that little idea through quickly if you're going through the the X ray vision machine and then the computers got smarter I think over time they learn to identify what's at all.
As of the technician -- looking at the at the images is no question about an experienced technicians gonna pick up things. More quickly you know I might not be good to example on this because I get I guess that pulled set aside all the time what you.
Not -- democratic coming to used to be collect -- who got two questions ha ha do you mind the strip -- machines. For surveillance and who would you rather have -- president of the United States during this period -- time bush. Or Obama's team good morning your NW RKO it's limited to this issue right and it's not bush on the general and on this issue what we get off and all that hot hot hot. Is there any -- clock and cheered for Lloyd you're rather have Obama pres Obama that -- Steve good morning.
Gentlemen I always feel better on the board but besides. I admired bipolar though we fight about -- anyways college plus -- and use good good. Yeah what do we issued -- we have the fact that this guy was radical Moslem. But -- in Yemen I mean I'm pretty sure we know who are looking for what do we do with the Israeli do and forget the PC movement they do is keep these people young. Arabic Arabic looking. Radical -- with it connection that we can trade and the guy whose father of wealthy father not some guy from from village somewhere wealthy -- usability about what might -- And what do we do we -- them on a plane.
You know we do nothing we're doing -- well I don't know what but I don't know that they tell -- you have any confidence that we have the ability to fix that. The Israelis do it they've got a -- the Israelis are country of four million -- us a million people they don't let certain people want -- way about our I don't think we're capable of doing that.
I wonder whether we are not I really do I think it's a very serious. In. Enduring question it's an open question the Israelis clearly. Have a much more right existential threat. Then we face here in B what we are our own existential threat we -- we're our own worst enemy yeah there's no question about frank here at WR KL hey there frank.
That this guy should never should've gone -- quite -- it was a terrorist lets you know. And and from what I understand that everything no fly list.
There is manuals and on and I'll fly less than any wireless only has 4000 names and he wasn't good enough. To make it they've put him on a list with 550000. Names and that list -- causes no action to be taken so they de Niro is reason.
This isn't that great -- I mean it's crazy. It's let you know wanted to let get away we should get -- people we have there.
And they remain the same bureaucrats are gonna make the decision about what kind of a medical carrier gonna call 54 can you imagine that your company can you I had that. Your one stop shop for bridge and you know got a little -- This news Boston's. Succeed beaten.
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Troy bombings bombing situation -- would establish very clearly through -- that if he was a TSA screener. No redhead would get through I am very. Very acceptance of the notion of you know you're gonna say friend how hot no car -- plays a little long ago not to take you to seriously. -- very acceptance of the idea -- using these enhanced imaging machines. That we should take advantage of every bit of technology that we should not find -- sell stock in math but I call of the political world. The land of political timidity a political correctness wondering that somebody somewhere might be offended. And get my own experience Todd. I don't I don't describe it is instructive B blood have become very used to this have travelled as -- have been flown on el Al airlines Donner and I've visited Israel. Those bets over the years and they do a psychological screening on -- they -- they ask all sorts of questions and as I recall. There are two people who conducted the it's really an interview. Demoralized and somebody's somebody's is ask you a whole series of questions and listening to and watching your reaction. And somebody else I'm told is just making an observation of the our pies and other. Body language. That the Israelis have perfected this when you think that there have been no terrorist. Incident when they don't relatively pull everybody aside in -- how to they do orders are just of the Connery in you getting your tickets as. As I recall was at the counter in the -- beyond that they do a screening. You know book enhanced screening -- random screening I'm sure that if there's any type of indicator whatsoever. You pulled aside for even further. Our review and interrogation I think everyone suitcase is opened every one suitcase is open so that you are right this moment. There's the plane -- it is the dirty underwear all the rest of that stuff. But the have to be prepared for. The other thing is on the domestic flights that have gone on ever since I had the hip replacement and doctor -- told me this would be my life and it's the life of anybody with a transplant. Shoulder hip -- whatever the machine goes off actually if you you can put off into the little the the -- kind of waiting room. And they come by and they wave the wand and pat it down and they talked too little Britain and five minutes and a story no problem -- become used to waiting forming on the other side is what. That there's nothing to be allowed about his no surrender. I'm as much constitution able to certain machines. Yes -- you'll want the guys who works for the federal government lazy you know you -- people HR and -- it's a jobs program -- private firm is not TSA TSA now it's a government mentions there was a big argument about that was -- and then of course the Democrats wanted to because they want it to be able to expand nobody talked about a government agency they also have to make this observation don't know and I want to renew our passports last week. People could not have been more pleasant to more professional. More courteous more prompt. It was everything you hope to see in a government official everything and the -- emphasis on the professionalism but at the same time not being rude. Or anything else professional Kurdish problem I think we need the XR machines.
I don't think women although four. I don't think we're always reassert because -- me and to see women have physics that we both guys wanna look at. And part of that dynamic new enhanced physics that women want to look at just a probable cause men want the women walking out of the women don't want -- man walking out of its debt and other predators. And the women are the Padres the other the drag all the press that board that I -- credits he's better but. Okay they're the prey so that's I don't know the -- ever go for that -- Yeah that's what we need we need to strip machines we need the have been the X ray machines so people look good I don't know how well she find the -- somebody's got a packet of dangerous stuff. Whining there are there leg or their undergarments or what have you how do you find out if fits us some sealed up chemical that they plan on. Using -- kind of building a weapon once again on the aircraft.
You don't we have to be realistic enough to understand that the there's always going to be catch up aspect to this in which. The terrorists of a -- to the new and leading edge stuff. They'll find different ways to try to he made what ever protections we built in so this is there's a constant seats in this that is not going to disappear. This new these new imaging machines that we've been talking about they're not so no but relatively new compared to the primitive technology to -- an economy sufficient to. Detect what the terrorists might be up to five parade at ten years -- job so it's a it's a game of constancy and that's again ketchup.
So two questions for one do you mind the idea strip machines to make things easier at the airport everybody who walked through the TSA agent would be able to see you. By your body without clothes on and no if you or carry something inappropriate second question is. Would you feel safer right now if George Bush were present rather than Barack Obama who is expected to make remarks today yup and I don't see how firm and decisive he is deepening telemedicine network a terror yes I don't know I think so too I don't have to take the plunge. At the risk of offending liberals everywhere who don't want the country secure our I think you'll actually tell the truth. And force the confrontation for liberals -- the fact that there is such a thing as terrorism in America is under attack. And there is a war against us going on 6172666860. How upset would you be over any of these -- good morning.
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What a life thank you know I I think first of all anyone that elected voted for Barack Obama aren't that this country it was going to be -- If it didn't happen he is no common sense on the other I. And the next thing has is that as far as I'm concerned any person coming from a country of question. Should go Truex Jewish rank and stop -- around what older Americans in -- people out of that that a not a problem. This is ridiculous.
Yeah well the Ali if you make a point to Russ although I say we're raw land this everyone's and it includes a little lady from Pasadena but the pat down of granny. While -- seven. Middle Eastern students go by. Young and dot all the other characteristics and look for a few do and a legitimate profile. Because you don't wanna offend you don't wanna get some complaints from some. Not Muslim Islamic group is absolutely insane that that is a nation that is no longer serious that's a nation that almost as a suicide wish Elizabeth here on with -- inside welcome.
Yeah it's. Just it's. Loud about it explain it seems it's like I -- any probability it.
It's not like about you Amazon's digital. I would night I don't know when reminded all why is that. Welcome because they wanna beat them you.
You'd be well the last summer but this guy's set on this site -- seeing. Although you may make him funny -- what they see when you get up close and.
You know let me Obama let me come. Maybe it's okay about it but it collapsed.
This -- how about the system -- out there Elizabeth seriously it's not a night. Don't fully understand the system but you -- what -- gonna find a good number of women who objected this is have to -- now.
This solid idea -- let them come on aluminum doesn't say anything and everything and we'll. But it's not gonna beat all -- things that's happening today -- it's -- to update these facts. And then I'm not gonna mind what people are looking at do you well let that -- to --
Are you thank you Elizabeth and Elizabeth I think is the first female pilot we've had calling in the first pilot while flying -- I on the phone 617266. Exceeds its its evil little bit but -- I thought we can get to ask her she'd feel safer George W. Bush for president Tony Wragge WR KI there.
Yeah I regret it needs. Are what's going into what happened this and we got through careful -- borrowed. How cool we screened federal we'd love -- are and what have about we let everything go by. What I've been and I've been doing security flaw that. We -- is. AM what we do is down. I do whatever that stadium. And if you blow -- that's somebody who you'd think of them might have missed some kind of Brad -- indeed bring them for the stadium. The you don't call for the old lady all. Somebody with a husband and -- located. You really want to as a young teenagers want you. And you are under the -- profiled -- a 100% correct we do what I do that I always find what I did on the guy. But if I let him go but quite that they are don't want a racial profile what I've -- in gonna get in the stadium were all fired did.
What is C. What what is the motivation controlling the alcohol is it because they might throw cans or bottles in --
That's the number one and then number one is -- not supposed to bring especially nowadays that would that would go Paris staying any liquid that into that stadium -- did you have a lot of water you're not. -- bring it. Full protection -- whatever might happen.
'cause I was gonna say you know the -- the woman. Might have a flask Daria you can have an eighty year old drunk but -- these she's not gonna be thrown it on anybody.
Right right but that thing is if the president to have some kind of the amount of ball. Like a diet deal whatever she needs all he needs the water out yeah actually allowed to bring it. But not younger president because you know you might not know what he's gonna bring end.
Tony since you're a security guy if you guys at the stadium. Had done this screening -- legacy through people's clothes would women be safe from unwanted prying eyes on the part of the security guys.
Yeah other -- you know actually elite have the president body you elite that has anything strapped from the leg go --
Yeah but some some good looking woman comes through.
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Yeah you don't -- those doctors Tony you let him do that your life. Yeah. Not the content that they give Tony Google 617266. It's just wrong I forgot to ask him about the president to Bob who do you think should be president right now with terror once again raising its ugly head. They Bob welcome your on the -- it's not a job.
Good morning I didn't hear that question to I'm sorry.
I dude are you more comfortable with the George W. Bush or Barack Obama leading up.
Well without a doubt. President Bush but there's look at I don't wanna make gears. You know this screening saying what the women I think there will be a lot of hoopla taught in the beginning yeah but there's an old saying. Once you've seen it mention it all looks the same and I think it'll just blow over.
Even if who is edges all coming through now.
Then that's who would -- well wouldn't you just name. I think these guys these guys are going to be focused. And they're just gonna be one -- you know different sides obviously just. Going throw me after a few weeks it's gonna be.
The -- of dollars in loses all the sizzle and no question about it Bob that -- lot of sense in theory I don't believe -- per second in real life he says George Bush you seem to automatically say George Bush running challenging just a little bit Obama's been there for a year Obama bush had just about eight for the years after September 11. What do you think explains the absence. All of these imaging machines at the imports all around the United States if somebody if you have and I have eight years and you have one. And the -- Right now is allows you reckoned don't I'd be had a disproportionate. Share of the blame.
I stay in and bush is screw up on this I think guy you guys address bush more you do and I I also think we have a problem we just several promised a country doing anything that makes sense it goes much deeper. Then -- did call president that's exactly right.
So even if Obama gave a ringing. Speech today it's during denunciation of G -- mentions terrorism mentions victory things that he wants to stay away from. Talks about this is gonna become job one of his administration for that story he has. Even then I do think this is a political.
Obviously there's a limit what other power to a speech about having the president be willing to say the real awards and need to be said. Makes a difference because any -- his base look on -- play your PC out games etc. -- I'm that I got to go after what needs to be done Chris you're on WR Gail Tom and Todd here right Chris.
I I I think they really -- are aggressively profiling more bad -- Pierre airline Nat check in lines. -- on it between the nineteen hijackers on September 11 and Richard Reid -- and there's this guy from Nigeria. I'm here it is pretty consistent profile here and they all look like -- central casting -- Arab Muslim terrorist. It's time you you know have more. -- aggression policies in terms identifying these people before they get on the plane.
Chris good point to -- never before this one -- problem some notes. For a conversation today just put profiling profiling and I emphasize that none of the -- not none of these terrorists thus far look like the Beach Boys. And it's just you know it -- this -- that common denominator. Mideast nations of our urgent youth. The series of other things that you can and should look for and against profiling -- as it has become one of the worst words. In LA however if one of these guys who fits the profile was walking through singing like he was --

