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Fight the good fight we will fight until the last vote. We -- that to our constituents. Because we can't believe we must do everything we must look back. And say we did everything we can to prevent this terrible mistake from taking place.

All this unprecedented destructive action they are desperate to break this president they have ardent supporters who won nearly hysterical. At the very election as president Barack Obama the burgers the fanatics the people running around in right wing militias and Syrians support group -- your car if the.

People who wrote this bill we're proud of they wouldn't be forcing this load. In the dead of night. 400 million dollars for an unnamed. Health care facility had an unnamed university somewhere and united one stayed out of this didn't get to expand Medicaid had no cost to itself. While taxpayers on the other 49 states. Pick up to the same senator who cut that deal. Secured another one that benefits of single insurance company I would say my college you think that's fair and all of your say now how the walrus.

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77 469432218774694322. That's the toll free number of the Howie -- show what you would like to join us here this afternoon every weekday afternoon. 18774694322. There's of course December 21. Went to begin today. Which means that the storm yesterday. Was. Before the -- began. Al Gore could not be reached for comment. But from now -- after today these days begin to get longer again so let's try to look on the bright side of this rather rather bleak Monday even notice. Almost Christmas. Okay. I I know where I was -- when I heard the news yesterday that. Brittany Murphy. Was not coming down for breakfast the first thing I said was all know the second thing I said was. Hope I -- Brittany Murphy -- helping kids in a movie that was made after 1980. Do this from reading the accounts in the paper today Cindy EI don't really think I missed a lot of great films that she was that actually shoot -- pretty good -- she does a very good actress like the ballot for. Well you know again. She's the huge. My kid said to me last night they said Alison -- grossed 32 have a heart attack. And I said let this -- lesson -- I don't care what the autopsy says there's only one way -- girl what's 32. Has a heart attack especially after she's just left the film before and spent action that are being. That would be dangerous. Narcotics.

Has -- anorexia ever cartoon. No no I think it's your carpenter got -- on the same age and apparently Britney had the same problem so most likely. That's what it last. I'm gonna stay with drugs. 187. Itself she looked like she was a -- African seriously. Lately so my guess is now.

You know my favorite teacher of the year is sandy writes. I beat anorexia. You never had anorexia I -- though. I agree that it's it's tough it's a tough one but. I you know what they. -- you know -- I say 11. Hot fudge Sunday at a time. One slice of meat lover's pizza at that time. One. Court. Of batter -- fried clams from Ken's place. In pine point made at a time withholding -- our nutrients. To be in Iraq PM I have I Carr center for years.

Seeing the I don't I don't think that we need a telephone on. I think -- what -- see my audiences like see them out on the street. They say hello to me I go to book signings or go to war make speeches like on -- personal appearances. My audience -- has also like like their host has beaten anorexic. All right 18774694322. So nobody had Brittany Murphy in the doubtful because let's face it. How many of us even. Knew who she was or cared about it I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sure -- for yourself person I'm sure she was a wonderful person to -- decent actress and a nice enough girl. Okay. -- and I both know who she was. They just biggest credit skit about -- apparently a couple of weeks ago on Saturday Night Live -- noticed disappeared from Hulu dot com. A lot to ask max about that. The -- sort of being Spacey and for living in the past and wealth you. Kind of like a modern day version of Sunset Boulevard yesterday you could say I know I'm dating myself now by talking about that that great screen job. -- 1877469432218774694322. Be the sixth caller right now it's 6179311680. And you will win a pajama -- How does she relaxed during the holidays spoiled or with a pajama -- this Christmas over 100 pajamas delivered in three keepsake cat boxes. It's a gift you'll ballclub shop online at pajama Graham. Dot com so be the sixth call right now it's 61793160. Day. And you'll win a pajama -- we've got lots of stuff to give away here. Today it and we will be giving we will be doing a lot of -- giveaways all through the course of the afternoon. 187746943220. If you would like to listen to the show on the Internet you can always do so. Go to our website which is how we cart dot com how we cart dot com click on the live audio streaming. If you would like to take part our daily Internet poll questioned you can also -- Howie Carr dot com. How we cart dot com poll question. Is brought to you today by a long auto the Cadillac of Cadillac dealers featuring an outstanding selection of new wouldn't pre owned cadillacs farmers and -- Visit online at long auto dot calmer in person on route nine in -- opera. Cindy what is today's poll question and one of the results thus far if the Democrats get their way what will happen health care. It's gonna get better and less expensive it's gonna get worse and marked -- I admit I put in better and less expensive because that's what Barack Obama said again today. Amazingly amazing isn't it it's gonna cost cost less they're gonna add more people -- More welfare types and and yet it's gonna be cheaper. I'm gonna say it's gonna get it's gonna get worse and it's gonna be more expensive. Sending -- 9%. -- 69%. That will -- will increases the afternoon goes on would be. My guess. All right 18774694322. Change nobody believes that changed nobody believes them thus the editorial today in the Wall Street Journal here on the winter solstice. A bill so reckless it has to be -- through a partisan vote on Christmas Eve. And herein to either -- 7 o'clock or 9 o'clock on Christmas Eve when they're gonna have the Pope they had the they had the vote to -- Shut off debate at 1 o'clock this morning to great bill but the.

Not there're there are acting like like a raccoon it's. Under the cover of darkness they wait till the sun goes down that gives them and you know this time a year you know sun goes down led them in Washington probably around. Fourth thirty quarter or five. And yet they still won't come out until it's after midnight. They're midnight mover says so Wilson Pickett would say. Barring Strom some extraordinary reversal says The Wall Street Journal it now seems that the Democrats have the sixty votes they need to jump off this -- with 17 of the economy in -- Democrats are barely even bothering to pretend to care what senate not that any senator had suggested in 38 hours before they. First -- cloture vote at 1 AM this morning. After the procedural motions allow for no amendments a final vote could come as late as 9 PM on Christmas Eve. Even in World War I there was a Christmas truce. But rush too secretive way that a bill this destructive and unpopular is being forced on the country shows that -- and pork reform. Has devolved into the raw exercise of political power for the single purpose of permanently expanding the American and -- moments state. The only goal now is to ram it into law while the political window is still open and cleanup the mess later. You think -- wanna clean up the mess I don't think they wanna clean up the mess. The best and most rigorous cost analysis was recently released by the insurer WellPoint. Which mind its actuarial data in various regional markets -- senate bill. WellPoint found but I healthy 25 year old in Milwaukee buying coverage on the individual market will see as costs rise by a 178%. A small business based in Richmond with eight employees and average help we'll see a 23% increase. Insurance costs for forty year old family with two kids living in Indianapolis will pay a 106%. More. And on and off and these increases are the sole result of Obama care above and far beyond status quo. Because it strict restrict strict restrictions on underwriting and risk polling would distort insurance markets. All but a handful of states are projected regulations like community rating because they encourage younger and healthier buyers to wait until they need expensive care. Increasing costs for every one. Benefits and pricing will now be determined by politics. Unnoticed by the press corps unnoticed -- they didn't want a report it because it would make their hero look bad. The Congressional Budget Office argued recently that the Senate bill -- so quote substantially reduce flexibility in terms of the prices pipes and number of private sellers of health insurance on quote. The companies like WellPoint might need to be considered all part of the federal budget unquote. With so larger chunk of the economy and medical practice itself and Washington's hands quality won't decline. Ultimately quote our capacity to innovate and develop new therapies would suffer most of -- on quotas Harvard Medical School being Jeffrey flier recently wrote in our pages. For no other reasons than ideological animus doctor -- hospitals will face harsh new limits on their growth -- who they're allowed to treat. Physician hospitals of America says Obama care will destroy 200 of America's best and safest hospitals. This is what -- you know I mean it would be one thing if they actually believe that that they were improving.

wants healthcare but I don't believe that they do I I don't. I even you know even eighty. Hard core moon bat like Bernie Sanders I don't think beliefs. That this is going to make healthcare better. For anyone in America. I mean they don't think it's gonna affect them because they're the beautiful people that the privileged caste but. They they just don't care this I don't I don't know what you're so angry you know. I I was I I had I get some work on my teeth. This. This weekend I'm -- my teeth capped its part of it -- smiles at Nashua Nashua, New Hampshire. They're gonna be an advertiser yes you figured it out. And the doctor has say the dentist has to go to school just keep going back to school because the technology is advancing so fast. And he was talking about getting having a knee injury back in the seventies and it took him six months from Warner to recuperate. And now all they do arthroscopic. Surgery you know we just have a you know words used of these big scars will last for years. You know now they now they can go win edit with it with just with lasers and there's just a tiny cut. It and you know the -- they might hip surgery is it was so much more. There were covering was so much quicker than -- would've been 1020. Thirty years earlier you know -- the you know the used to give the -- You know I never understood -- way like the dark I 82 when I was a kid when I might console -- wanted to broken leg it was it was a horrible drug. Now you know they just put that that happened in this I mean Madison has improved so much and in these people in Washington. Or hell bent. -- destroying I don't know how else to put it. What is their complaint. People coming from all over the world to get health care because they. They live in countries that have the kind of system that these. Polls these ideologues want to foist -- on us. At a higher prices. The gonna end that you know and and again they rush was right here to. Harry reached -- you know true but to Americans die every ten minutes because they don't have healthcare. So. Why are we waiting until what are you fourteen. To -- institute that's. Because so we can make the beat projections the deficit projections look better we can start taxing people next year. You don't they I believe the the house is still got in there about BF cattle or cattle who what are the what are the branches of government can keep it keep it all straight you how -- the Senate has still got the but the huge tax on so called Cadillac health plan that's a look at what he caught it you more I have a good health plan it's a Cadillac. Health plan if -- to win they have. Bear Cadillac health plan it's just it's just that's just the regular plan that all federal employees get it's not a Cadillac helped plan. With it why debate why do they wanna take away something that. We have but they're not planning on taking it away from themselves. How how can this be going on how can. Nuts. Like this have taken over the government house opened. -- Fifty plus 1%. Of the American people I mean you don't most of busted vote for this nonsense but let's be honest. Our neighbor's dead our neighbors are paying attention. Our neighbors are stoned out of their minds. Our neighbors don't. The all the doing his texting one another but stupid crap. Going to Brittany Murphy movies. Playing video games have been cause you're watching their kids play video games have been dialing 911 how do like that story in barrel today. Called 911 to stop the kids for playing a video. -- like something you would do no it's not now. Notes that my kid my kid would call 911 after it's popped on the video game and had ruined it. Why do that would what is it that they they -- gonna shut down least good hospitals. Just because they don't like private hospitals. They like what's going on in the UK there's -- there's another great story in the Daily Mail today again I could do what I can do one every day I can -- want every day. This guy is 77 years old he's buying. And the DN HS. Has told him that he's not dying painfully enough to get into a nursing home. So is so his family tried to take care of and it's overwhelming them and it's costing them and its its sub bankrupting them and they won't let a man.

But somehow don't with the government takes over everything all everything all what's gonna be so much better you know all. You Manila all the all the people rugby registry of motor vehicles are gonna be running health care and that's gonna make it better. Because you know the people who run the registry of motor vehicles -- who work for the department of revenue. There they're so responsive. When you need every pick and they're always available so. Did you see visit every. Government agency in Washington DC was shut down that. Everything they got what twenty inches and make of snow and did they didn't know one came to work. But they're -- but it's gonna be great when they're running health care. Specially you know you're you're in pain you know you have appendicitis or something.

God it's it's very young I'm sorry I'm sorry to be down about it it irritates -- of the play if I was off this week I wouldn't even be looking at the newspapers. I wouldn't even be guy would even be won't listen to what the talk radio -- watch and watch -- Fox News.

Not 88% of the total cost comes after 34. -- mind just now why there must absolutely be a vote this week says The Wall Street Journal while most of the taxes starred in 30 and that includes the payroll tax increase for individuals earning more than 200000 that rose from. To the rose two point 9% from point five percentage points in mr. -- final machinations. Other deceptions include a new -- dormant for long term care that starts collecting. Premiums tomorrow but doesn't start paying benefits until late in the decade. The truth is that no one really knows how much Obama care will cost because it's assumptions on paper so unrealistic. Eugene sterling of the left leaning urban institute points out that the Senate bill was not just the health care as just not just the new health system but also we knew welfare and tax system. The world war but labor market. Give it. You know what it what usually happens when government works a market like what happened when government decided to war but housing market was sub prime loans forcing banks stand out sub prime loans. To war the people who couldn't afford -- what happened. We had that we had to crash didn't.

But it now live but they know what they're going now they didn't know what door to door with how's it today. But now they there -- but now -- gonna that they gonna take on something even more. Significant the -- the people and that they they're released this the same people who. Totally. Cost per blade. Everything in the housing market they know what they're doing now.

Given the incentives of these two -- subsidies. That's -- crop. And -- Who went to -- Employers with large numbers of low wage workers like Wal-Mart may well convert -- meant to quote on quote contractors or do more outsourcing. There's more and more people flooded to the so called free health care taxpayer costs will explode. Man. The more people know about Obama care the more unpopular peacocks all region one more thing here in the won't move on -- false. Never in our memory says The Wall Street Journal has so unpopular bill been on the verge of passing congress never has social and economic legislation of this magnitude. Been forced the -- purely partisan vote. And never has a party exhibited more sheer political willful must that is reckless even for Washington. Or had more warning about the consequences of its actions. These sixty Democrats are creating a future of epic increases in spending taxes. And command and control regulation in which bureaucracy trumps an invasion in transfer payments are more important and private investment and individual decisions. In short the Obama Democrats have chosen change nobody believes it outside of themselves. And when it passes America will be paying for it for decades to come. Change nobody believes them. 18774694322. James your next what -- cargo ahead James.

I -- you don't. I can't. The content -- six weeks ago it's not often that a layman gets to say I told just fell on national radio but you may recall that I said that. Lieberman. Lieberman's. Integrity was somewhat overrated. I think. We've seen me have you know is a progressive.

Was as appalling is the bill is -- could've been worse Jameson you Colin. Well at least at least you know we're gonna be boil slowly.

Well okay but that's. Maybe an -- legislate that the F -- so they're the temperature of water around oil look OJ.

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Thanks James saved -- 18774694322. Dan your next with how we cargo ahead Dan.

Let me be the first to accurately wish you happy -- power -- the only -- on the calendar if anyone should be with -- anybody happy solstice.

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I got you know that this health care plan. Is it's wager progress we're gonna ritual liberal and -- true. You know whatever that adjective you -- years when she told her to any any any former governor of Vermont Howard Dean -- have come out against that.

Well they they that they didn't think it went far enough well that's the thing. That was their complain about it. They wanted they wanted the public I was saying Lieberman you know actually got something done I mean if they. If they'll look at I added Paul Krugman said that that they should hang a Lieberman in effigy. For -- the -- from the New York Times.

Yeah I was nothin' like the -- This generation's gotta come better because it's coming from crumbling they're gonna.

I all all I know BM is -- for Republicans said that about a Democrat any Democrat who would be considered hate speech.

I know I speaking truth to power. Yeah well that bid that was developed or there was only the first salvo in the 12 punch were dealt this week I hope you're gonna spend some time I'm not. Deal that was brokered incorporate and where everybody agreed that fit the temperature wouldn't rise more than two degrees and how one they're gonna.

A I I can't I can't take Copenhagen -- can't accept this comic relief relic. 1877469432218774694322. Jim your next with how we cargo ahead job.

They cannot do it I don't blame you for being -- today at all. Let me name a few times your quick Olympia Snowe RC which he voted against that you know it'd require them. Or haven't been left wing -- because -- was just -- to vote yes she didn't.

I also listen Jim what's -- to we congratulate we give -- you know not so much -- but the listeners especially for Maine. Give a lot of great to Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins both problem this morning did the right thing.

What about just saying that's good a lot of open belt. Are you about the bill like this without -- cover it's it's so bad you have to convertibility and Q2 people that provides some cover. Mitt Romney thank you met for clear on the trail and providing some are. To cover pretty god by it will Massachusetts experiment. -- second all of the American Medical Association. You know why do you say about these guys -- database sums somebody's gotta do something about them.

Yeah well you know Jim I used to be a member of the union and the union would always endorsed -- some candidates that didn't mean I had anything to do what that I think a lot of physicians feel the same way about the AMA that I felt about my union.

Well then they needed drop all they need to get I there they need to do something because -- You know this bank sticks. Pay back Malcolm by the way he -- get our good barrier to her career save you -- got over twenty years ago I got billions and billions of dollars per day.

Right he he'd be basically the they they agreed to was that the Republican governor and everybody in the Brasco Republicans and Democrats alike agreed that this this bill was gonna it was gonna kill Nebraska because who's gonna Jack up the Medicaid. Much. Expenditures. Because everyone's gonna be dumped it to Medicaid -- so it is he he said well I'm gonna do this for the Republican governor and the Republican governor said. No way we don't we're not looking forward to what public and for a bailout on a stupid bill just vote against the bill and -- Nebraska and the other 49 states won't have to worry about this incredible. Boondoggle. But is gonna make things worse. Thanks for the call job 18774694322. While Howie Carr.

There was no need to call off school today I don't understand that -- was the last day before the Harlem day break but could now they're not gonna go back to school for two more days or they just gonna call up for the whole week. 1877469432218774694322. Change nobody believes that changed nobody believes them. All right. Be the sixth and eighth callers right now at 6179311680. And you will win a fifty dollar gift certificate to the GM restaurant the Aegean restaurant located Watertown. Serving up -- best in Greek and American cuisine for over 45 years now. All meals are made homemade from the freshest ingredients and they offer daily catch seafood specials be the six -- eight callers right now at 61793160. And eighty. They'll be -- shortly -- I'm looking forward to it. -- that are coming into Wednesday OK sorry. 18774694322. Dog you're next with Howie -- go ahead dog.

Our longtime listener really enjoy your show thanks have a question or something yes. Obama Kayla is gonna start taxing us. And told them yes but the benefits -- not gonna kick -- and told to --

The good the benefits are gonna start in 54 some of the best some of the other benefits are not gonna kick again. Until law until later than that.

Well that makes me -- my question people were asked. Which creates. We're still gonna carry after carry -- current insurance carriers sold through this period so that means we're paying. Correct current insurance plus the Obama stuff. Four he has a more.

Yeah but you get -- don't you believe Obama when he says it's gonna save money in the end all. -- but nor do why. How can that be how can it be that they gonna save money by giving no way giving more people free health insurance and that's gonna save money while -- cutting Medicare.

Well -- in what -- out. I still don't see how they can know what Hillary ID it all my -- interpretation as. It's gonna cost us one heck of a lot of money go but he has oh yeah and I -- my grandkids my grand kids that got. -- of the going to be --

I know dog have been you know what it but it's even worse than that it would be one thing for women cost a lot more that's bad enough but it's gonna cost war. And you're gonna get less. So -- what -- that's what I don't that's what's so discouraging about this whole thing how. How can they think. Then it. That this is a good idea. I don't why can't white -- there wasn't one Democrat. In the Senate not one. Where -- stones to stand up and say. This is a crock this is gonna hurt me and my family when I leave the Senate in this gonna -- all my constituents Republicans and Democrats alike. Not one of -- stand up and say that.

And when they have to vote 1 o'clock in the morning when nobody is around.

Right Eric G you don't you think people don't you think it's gonna get a big right up in the a lot of people read the papers on Christmas Day don't like. Yeah Lotta people listen -- the were going to be watching the late knows ought not Christmas Eve that's it that's when the story that's when most people won't get the nose at the 11 o'clock news at 10 o'clock news on Christmas seat or that or the Christmas Day newspapers. It's I mean obviously they they don't think it's they're they're afraid of this thing.

Well. If they well. Forthright and open a borrowed. -- But back to my original point. Nobody has stated publicly answer Leo we gonna have to carry our own insurance and told twenty forte.

It sounds like you REI knew what all you got it all right.

Another way to a going to be paying double fault for years.

Yes yes you're gonna be paying double because it's because they're getting that extra money that extra tax money that's part of the whole three card Monte scheme that this whole whole law. Disaster as.

Boy I'll tell -- what a robot.

What Rick I know I don't what are what a rip off in Ed and I I've never see I've never seen him do something like this I know I don't get -- I mean. I in the past they -- stupid things but they always had some some logical reason to expect that it wasn't stupid. How can they think that this is gonna be anything but a total fiasco. Thanks for the call bond.

Thank soured by have a good Christmas.

Makes it -- you dog 18774694322. -- voting on tonight will impact alive. Of every America. It bush shape the future of our country.

They won't determine. Whether our children cannot afford the nation say an error. -- is one of the most consequential votes. Any of us will ever take him. And none of us. And taken lightly. But make no mistake. -- to people who wrote this bill we're proud of it. They wouldn't be forcing mr. -- In -- dead of night.

One -- it that's Mitch McConnell the Republican leader from Kentucky. This is Robert Samuelson Washington Post. Barack Obama's quest for historic health care legislation has turned into parity of leadership. We usually associate presidential leadership put the pursuit of goals that blow initially unpopular serve America's long term interest. Obama has a reverse this. He's -- being increasingly unpopular legislation that threatens the country's long term interest. Even if congress passes legislation will not cover everyone it will not control cost. It will worsen the budget outlook it will lead to higher taxes you won't disrupt how or whether companies provide insurance for their workers. As the real life as opposed to report -- consequences unfold they will robot Obama's claim that he has salt the health care para. Problem his reputation won't suffer. Despite Obama's command of the Airways public's suspicions are right -- About half now worry that their -- world deteriorate in the health care costs will rise. The various health care proposals represented atrocious. Legislation. And then we'll all read more as we go on 18774694322. Jet you're next with how we cargo ahead --

Hi how are very Christmas Merry Christmas to -- All right I know you last earlier wire they still angry and I know why there -- good -- There are angry because you and others have succeeded. And they don't understand your six casket that's based on hard work and maybe even some locked. They don't know about the hard work. They're jealous of the.

But they've all been elected to power semi powerful positions they have they have consequential titles if you know it you know that they made they may not be great people but they you know they've done pretty well -- again about it what. Why are they jealous of me and you don't.

Because they're the Libyan class.

They didn't succeed in the same way that you didn't. They don't understand your successive anyway and so rather than celebrating your success it's easier to just take it away from you know. And give it to someone else.

I thought about asking anyone to celebrate my success all unmask him is to be left alone. You know why all this discord and just courtesy all of this unprecedented destructive action. Goal. To break the momentum. This -- and wipe out our new young president. They are desperate. To break this president. They have ardent supporters. Who want nearly hysterical. At the very election. The president Barack. Obama. -- there deliberately using Chafee to fanatics as analysts and the people running around in right wing militias and area right wing militias. It is unbearable took down. Thanks president.

Where are -- why Malaysia is where the area that -- groups. All my god. I guess that's code for if you're against health care your -- since ha ha. You see you DA everybody in Maine who wants to get rid of Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins. Rhode Island got rid of the earth Rhode Island got rid of the right now they noticed Chafee didn't like. And this is what they got in its place in the place of -- Chafee and yes yes his father and it plays father went to Deerfield his brother's classmate in my Deerfield. But I'm just I that is about the did.

With this unfortunately. -- different spirit. Has descended. On this senate. Is one described by Chief Justice John Marshall. Back in the -- trial. Those malignant. And vindictive passions how long -- in the Adams of contending parties that was true struggling plus years ago. Thanks for the call Jeff -- your next with how we cargo ahead arrests.

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Com and might walkers that apple legal definition of how prostitute Massachusetts.

That's what they have -- you know we get people are at risk that this kind you know a leftist -- control we must turn our outrage and action. But I saw work had described brown puts science and homes are courage. Send them a hundred dollars.

Boy I saw a lot I saw a lot of Scott Brown signs this weekend driving around on on cars and in front yards.

Now we see I have one on my car and I have one in front of my outs and yeah yeah. And you know I'm contacting friends some contacting relatives. And I ask everyone to do the same we have to beat these people backed because our country is at risk.

Thanks for the call -- we gonna take a break 18774694322. -- point guard. You'll hear a lot during the holiday is about how this is this.

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Going to work adversely impact young people who ironically enough voted for the messiah such large numbers. Last year. No good deed goes unpunished break one makes that we'll be back that would this topic. I'm Howie -- It's the.