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Thank you it's great to be with you this morning.

So can you start from there the unintended consequences are cheap corn and what it's done to our food production in in this country.

Well sure. What it's done that the couple things one is that it has. Are artificially reduce the price of food. So that those of us who don't participate in the program. Have a prejudicial price. Discrimination against dust in the marketplace which makes it appear like you know elitist or not caring about where people. When actually. It it it's the other way around. That there are -- all of the price they have you know most supermarkets food is about Drupal on this.

So in other words if he you have cattle on your -- the you're raising the way they should be raised which is crazy they eat. Grass off the ground. Yeah and they graze and they did they move from one to have been used seventy -- just want to have a Sinatra and and then the industry that's being subsidized. Is feeding cattle corn that they are not some -- which makes them sick and spreads disease through the country. In other words the government is paying them to do it the wrong way and you are being penalized for doing at the right way.

Well valued the good if you set it pretty well and if so what happened this built not only is that through cheaper. But then. Then what happened just that the deceased the pathogens deputy all ability -- different things to come. A lack of -- nutria you know rival lavender is down by 300% indict corn fed beat those -- What happens then -- we pick up the tab the other flip side of it is but what we call. External -- external white cloth. Then society picked up the tab for always I internalize costs. 22. I have all the package and it be the problems of all that that are created by the it appropriately said. --

give us a sense of the price differential. -- that you are up against so -- we have BI abuse at Leo before the market and so to some guy out there with a huge commercial lot. And it's all antibiotics and it's -- corner and all the rest of that stuff. What's the price differential that taught and I would see at the supermarket when we go to buy the Hamburg are the piece of steak.

Oh boy that's a hard question. I would say that generally speaking you would see something like thirty to 40% price differential. It does change -- different things but remember cute little lot of them price. Both of the alternative -- you know what we call a small scale. If Bennett indigenous art has little producer a lot of it is not in production which we just talked about with the subsidies. But it's about the price prejudiced BM. The regulatory climate that is. Discriminatory against small scale -- the amount of paperwork for example from the what I call food police have to. Go through an -- and have a war. Do the same whether that Abbott Clark. Does not give spears a week or 5000 spears today it say about a paper.

So government regulation makes it very hard to be a smaller -- no producer of high quality food.

Expect extremely difficult anecdote it goes even beyond you know dude -- You know food police type policy goes even -- for example work with compensation are -- out one our delivery driver. But according to the workman's -- regulations. Week were far at a -- can't have a delivery driver the only delivery driver or -- have a live animal smaller. Which is an extremely high risk category. To accomplish three -- are here to beta workman's comp -- employee that we don't even have but we can't have it because. Because we're apartment -- don't have people that that that handled by you know retail packages which is what our guide that.

So Joe how would've had a small what I'll call more natural based farm is such as yourself. Make it in this crazy society they we have this mixed up culture. I do read I do read that there are more or more of normal folks like you. We're making big inroads because people -- concerned with the source of the food and help your food.

Sure well how how we make it is that our -- so much better. That we can charge war in order to cover these are prejudicial. -- these kind of artificial capricious prejudicial.

So you're really saying is there's a societal problem because who we need to do is is building incentives up underneath series from the way they're constructed right now and that would be to give you guys -- subsidies for fear it. Are having your cute cows grazing on grass and Symbian fed board.

Well up I you know what I don't want any subsidy. Just just. -- just just eliminate all subsidies and let us let us compete borrowed level -- you know what we will do just all right believe me we will see we don't lead.

All right see you bush just the government out of the business. Part I don't know. -- Joyce outlets and from Paula face farms in Virginia and he's a star of the Artose -- bid beef producing in poultry Bur producing industry and what what I found compelling about -- so why I wanted to Sheridan is because of some of the ugliness. That goes on in in the the big farming operations. And I thought it was a very scary the thing about that that corn feeding the beef. Created this new bacteria they use this new form of E. Coli. Data exists only in cattle that are being fed this corn that's enough supposed to.

Sure well what we knew basically a cal. And -- with the public -- herbal or is a great big four -- portable sauerkraut that. That firm have bought that firm has forged just like you know make it darker off from cabbage leaves and so. So what you feed that animal or it changes the PH. The acidity of the Ruben. And and that vicinity create. -- virulent strain of the whole lie that did what they hit our. Our gut which is what you -- more you know highly acidic that I cal -- Instead of our gut immediately killing those because of the IRR I ask you can't get instead those bugs have been. -- that they get out they've they've they've -- what they've been acclimated to a high PH environment up the great beating. And therefore that we don't kill them they kill us.

While that's pretty simple oil what can and it. There -- in the the some of the adjustments that army and ironically instead of there was a stab in the movie food bank that said 85% of this study calling gets killed if you just let the cattle -- for week. Instead of doing something simple like that put the food industry does is takes corrective measures after the fact. To make sure the caller kiln --

Yeah in fact Cordell. Cornell University. Just what eight years ago -- several double blind test showing. That it the industry just fed hey the last two weeks before slaughter. They're there would there recession wouldn't be so virulent E. Coli. Even available in the whole system but of course the industry. Which is operated by Archer Daniels Midland Cargill Monsanto the big grain interest. But they of course group food boat Cornell study. Because they don't want. They don't want to reduce the market for great middle order reduce the subsidies they're taking. And -- other a lot of -- valve built into the system. To all artificially prop up and keep going. You know this inappropriate. And appropriate Dell model.

Joe the jolt from the off Bob -- their -- face down in the Shenandoah Valley what's the sort of the circumference of your marketing Gary you've got fresh. Organic are even beyond organic. Who do you shared with -- the production value. That you put on I. 200 miles away errors of within a range of say thirty miles.

But it 200 -- we go we we feel out what we call four hours we feel like. Four -- out is what -- would ever pay as a customer would be able to come to the farm visit and get back home that day. And so four hour is what we describe. As our market region because that that bill bit -- Eric transparency. You know -- transparency element that of course is the Foundation for Accountability.

what of the problems -- buying food that's been well produced is some of the labeling I'd like to invite people call and ask questions of of of jewel because. Did this is really fascinating stuff when you hear about the ugliness of health food is produced. You realize instantly I think it resonates automatically on an intuitive level. That this isn't good that we're better off eating -- eating food cattle or poultry or have you. There have been produced in ways that makes sense and are helpful for us so part of the problem is -- you do that. And the first let's invite call 6172666860. Angel maybe you can speak for just a moment in terms of labeling how we know when we go to the grocery store. Whether we're getting something that's actually do any better -- forest based on how it's produced a.

That's a great question I guess I got my first response I don't need to be split vote yes we don't go to the grocery store. You know every area there's the other eat wild dot com which is a national clearinghouse for pastor based. All livestock could go there you can find your local producer. And every area from from farmers' markets to the F safety you know direct marketing to. Two there are co ops -- by groups metropolitan buying club. There's there's an entire. Entire guerrilla marketing. Are undercurrent in this country now. Due to the inability of producers like got to be able to get into supermarkets which. Themselves are part of this -- industrial fraternities at circle the wagons and protects itself. Become insular. To the kind of high quality competition that we offer.

All right Joe let's take a call Chris in -- good morning your NW RQ would jolt salads and from Paula face farms in Virginia.

Going Jovan. First of jolt the pleasure to hear you what I try to bite actual whenever I can't. Sure it's always hope your note they have the correct sort of that particular term you use when Joe was talking with respect. Do that the driver position than -- referred to what does -- societal problem. We keep referring to these things -- societal problems were government. Our problems when in fact they're not just settle problems that they are problems with in the decision making. Areas within our government. Government offices and agencies. They're good individuals within our government structures what I'm saying. And that's going to be that's this situation that's got to be addressed.

Have a that'll be addressed by people becoming aware and understanding. That whenever government starts doing something when it starts involving itself and realms that it doesn't belong in. Like you would these farm subsidies in ends up stirring things up it and it does it permanently and it only becomes worse over time.

Okay but there's there's a misnomer you sit government. I'm in and I've been very little of the drove about this for years now. And no I'm -- at a grassroots level which I put referring to -- individuals that are tricky with the government offices and agencies. As government our government tried to. If you -- state constitution. That's a.

All right all right did criticize -- I understand all -- saying it's fine but I wanna stay focused on the food aspect of this I think we understand the politics. The point is we need to get to a tipping point made that tipping point is close work. Demand for quality food is gonna be high enough. That people who are in decision making positions will start your reaction I'm fascinated by this whole issue and -- has to approach it as a businessman but nonetheless somebody -- I'll use the phrase feet on the ground right this is not to. You know commercial chemical kind of operation is running. In a nation of 300. Median folks jolt is it realistic from the -- prospective. To offer it as a credible alternative. What do you -- neo Brothers and sisters in this natural movement. -- doing you know I think of Chicago Los Angeles the big urban metropolitan areas. How the heck would you feed those millions and millions of people this healthy alternative that seems more. I don't know it just seems to me to relate more to up this way Vermont as a as opposed to you know the Boston New York DC carve --

Right well absolutely we are far more productive push square yards. Then the you know that the industrial food system because we used. Synergistic embryonic up plant animal plant plant animal animal choreographed relationships to create symbiotic things like like nature does. So of the as opposed to -- cultures and single species of mono cropping. The but the fact just bet if we didn't have. The these special concessions given to the industry. To give the semblance of plenty. All what we would have is far more. Of this choreographed relation really oriented. Embedded tight production in and around our city. Baltimore for example has 40000. Acres of vacant land with a -- in the but the Baltimore. I was just at Saint Louis. Saint Louis to produce everything no amount of wealth fruit vegetables all the auto 112 Acre. -- urban farm that supply all the food for twenty people if they look awful 112. But an -- that is just -- is just. All but probably more productive independent people land these to have condominium volume they would that would make dugout and and -- dug post holes for -- They hit blue jeans and up pipes and electrical lines. Get out -- or an asphalt that -- that they -- actually build you know build the.

So you're saying New -- kind of operation can produce food as efficiently as these big factory farms.

Oh absolutely actually felt that it would be it would take the one thing that it would take the confessional -- here. Is that it would take more people more people actively forming. But I don't think that's the negative -- the fact is if you could make a living farming there are there are thousands. Thousands of Americans stuck in Gilbert cubicle dead ended Phoenix.

the global corporate job. Who it would look like a fresh air all right let's get another call and Susan your W work you would jewels salad at hi Susan.

How am I don't wanna say thank you so much for having this gentleman I guess this is such a huge issue with our food and it.

Really people are in the dark about it and down I -- hear you mention them will be slowed ink -- everybody really needs to do that -- week. I know it's on demand appearing at camps are able.

And do anything you can that you got movie because it's so important that really tell what's going on about our spirits.

Etiquette wanted to say thank you to the -- and if you can mention the more on the web sites where you can buy it there's this tight that's good that's so important. You know the -- that we have people out why we get can't that this is why people need to open now I'd start I number eight.

I'm already gone on the website that judge Joe give us eat wild dot com and it gives a great state by state -- go to New Hampshire Mets just and -- states and find out those tribes that operate on the same protocol is -- thought about eating without your clothes on Dolly now that I guess there's during -- I don't ask yourself I'm not opted to share until it takes a more calls -- is this fascinating stuff. All right -- Ellen -- short break and we'll come right back to join your calls on eighty M 680 WRKO. -- speaker and -- WR --

This is gonna -- WRKO. When you see how traditional factory farms work. This -- you've got thousands of had a cattle packed together living in their own feces. Developing these new strains of E. Coli because they're being fed foods that they shouldn't be fed being fed antibiotics to correct for that. Being. They haven't the hamburger meat treated -- ammonia laced products to kill bacteria.

I haven't seen the movie and as you described it to me the other day really my eyes you can grew wide in apprehension and you have a sneaking sense of all -- when you say hey let's go for a murder. How hot this let's get to a -- that why not. But you know I mean of the city kid and -- I always talk about my homegrown tomatoes and anybody who grows tomatoes in their backyard knows the difference between that. In the plastic crap. The mushy class get traffic -- green and and gas demand gas undressed and -- detract from the central valley in Connecticut or whatever. Mike Green beans might be had a solid stuff from city convinced just this little local stuff so when usage old -- will be our guest from polish assistant. Dial it up this is great stuff so -- is how we learned we're talking about -- for.

It should be done instead of how it is done in taking your calls it 617266. 66 he with a guy who does it I found very actual movie shooting jolt when you're. Doing your processing of the of your chickens -- your poultry out of doors and you're talking about. How are you got approached about good buy some regulator who was upset about your your processing can you tell us about that.

Oh sure well they came to us about tried that they will live the government try to close -- the individual to the government. -- try to closes down several. And that that time that was. That was because they said an open air facility was inherently unsanitary that you could not have food. Edited that air the air was unsanitary it's -- yacht expose these bureaucrats have never had a picnic.

I never heard about outside. Fresh air in the country had better than what I'd be. -- about -- so is so I would of part that killed me though what you said that you test he had the test your paltry ten I don't know the measurement was what what was it -- your bacteria can't compare with the bacteria count of the the stuff made at the big plants that was available on the supermarket.

We -- are are desperate 133. CFQ per milliliter to the second permutations. Which is you know it's -- jargon real.

Industry standard you had a hundred city -- now.

And and the stuff of the industry was 3600. That's that's -- 4500%. Difference or 45 times cleaner. And yet and yet yet they still have the audacity to say well you have to you know build walls of poured concrete rebar and.

Yeah they are saying you're -- was unsanitary but the best part was menus set. And those chickens in the supermarket were treated how.

They're -- they were they dredge of Kerkorian bad as many as forty. But chlorine badly of course now are beginning to irradiate some bubble and we're not that have to be put on the label.

can you imagine this is so disgusting and there was another line about this stroller that's put in the hamburger. That is yeah so -- ammonia to kill bacteria. Is this food safe that we need that's the question you'd get. And that's why I want people have access into huge old John you're on WR -- Agile salad. Who is a farmer is doing at the right away.

Great job but did Tom Turkey. A little ways down the streets feel Watertown square we have a while -- it's just buffalo grass fed and breast fed organic. -- get out and get something.

Our -- in the wild Willis that's a great place that it never occurred to me you guys are serving good it you know special could meet.

Our steady guys that go toward Armenians store and I get raw meat I'm not doing it again I make my own because they have addition they don't use grass that that's interesting about the people like.

Okay thank you John your phone calls John no warning and a plug in offers business and appropriate so if they're doing that I didn't realize it. But now to what he just said about his -- John does that mean some that's good.

I'm sorry -- John just said does that make sense.

I guess I have actually makes sense that there are bad there are absolutely little embedded. You know places all around the country that are trying to do the right thing. And and so you know we use they continue actually produced this yes we can't. What we need is for people to do you know to rise up -- begin you know asking for patronizing. This -- this whole alternative our food system. And the idea that doesn't take a law it doesn't take an agency it doesn't take tax increase. It's just it's just it needs the power of the marketplace. To speak and tell these you know Monsanto and Cargill of folks you know what we don't want your job.

How many companies control food production.

Move not very many I mean I think in the movie they say 85% of all beef is controlled by four companies. Due to be maybe three. Yeah yeah. But it felt pretty tight fraternity to meet instituting the most powerful little excitement of the movie was where they had those that was part. And they showed does the job. Corporate executives. Are revolving through the FDA in the USDA. And to me that just. That was just -- most powerful little fragment the whole movie.

Loretta your NW RKO with -- salads and from Paula face farms high Loretta.

How Hollywood good morning gentlemen I think he -- That topic I love but I've been doing this for 25 years. I have to say that it's getting easier in the last few years right there that web site that that. Don't mention -- while dot com and was able to get a lot of consider this by mail order now like it locally five a lot of things that I never could find -- like. I started -- structure for the book called nourishing traditions and I was wondering if she'll ever heard of that book. It -- traditions of course is the Bible of the actual written by Sally Sally Fallon morale and founder of the west today right. -- We we called lap -- And absolutely this is an international organization with -- all what does the bush and 40000 members. It is absolutely probably will most if not the most powerful. Armed connective group. To get their constituency based actually discover their kitchen which as you know part part we've talked about production here but you know what we need are we need eaters. Who are spending a lot of money remodeling their kitchens and buying gadgets to to learn where the kitchen the shut up.

looks and the book again. They're sharing traditional worship traditions are trying to -- like Alec.

Sally Fallon. The -- west Nick Price they would -- that a ballot bowl ten years ago it back. They have because of the terms of -- backlash that the industrial food system. This is giving through your government agents to people like -- They have now started a farm to consumer legal defense fund modeled after the whole school legal defense fund of you know thirty years ago. The bit that -- two points or 7365. Real time. Legal eagle -- legal helpful for those of us who are in this loop -- getting knocked on the door from. I called the food police. And and and it's it's just tremendous they've had some wonderful wonderful success.

Candy you're on WRK it would -- salad and hi Andy.

I do it this morning do any good. You know look it bothers me about the conversation there's no we're talking about David good -- corporate farming is done. Matter of fact more people are being -- today. At a lower cost than ever before in human history. We've basically eradicated starvation in this country B were over that we have -- obesity epidemic precisely because we can provide more food. At a lower cost than before. So this talk about organic farming is night. Let's -- well. Bit towards starvation because like -- don't believe your numbers about production great bear. We're producing -- or booed per Acre and amp up before. And the reason why -- lets people are welcome -- today it because we don't need as many people that produces -- were producing today. I tell you something I don't wanna go back there that agrarian society where we're worker -- because even organic forms are pretty crappy places to work.

Starring Eddie are good point I thank -- and a good one that -- usual response because while it's true. That we are able to produce tons of food for this country need to have export availability the conversation really isn't about. That's so much as how this whole system has been distorted. Because of government policies that have encouraged. Big industry to do things the wrong way were rather than the right way but -- can you answer it Andy's point.

All are sure that it's it's yet it's the valley it's a valid point and I appreciate about bringing it up he of course. Doesn't believe my numbers. You have to understand that my numbers come from you know -- real study. The industrial number twelve other numbers to justify are BGH -- milk. Which is treated as an epidemic of -- spite of which is still -- out in the mammary -- very cal. Or whether it's. Numbers about you know G of oh our core mirror or. For the production of of these other things. All the -- give for example what golden rice is in Asia put these side just it would make when they do their numbers from big industry. They'll take an indigenous production model like. Like say rice in in the orient which normally have a patty have ducks. Duck eggs that pretty the LG and failed. Fish in the -- surrounded by a Bok -- and arugula edible wild billion available greens around the patty. Now we go in with the green revolution we go live with chemical pesticides chemical fertilizers. Now we can't have the -- we can't have the duck eggs we can't have the fish and it killed although green vegetation around the edges. Now we're producing a lot more right. That's true per Acre. But at what cost and and the total production would you take away the duck duck eggs fish amber edible -- around the patty. The total production was higher than it was in the alleged -- cropped green revolution and those of the kind of numbers. That the industry uses to impugn. You know our our model of -- of agriculture.

Let me put back on a little bit -- on the GM most of it isn't -- Is and a push behind that. To make sure that we reduced herbicide use insecticide use get a higher yields. Without the poisons of the chemicals of the past when let's say the locusts what command. And completely decimate. Forty acres and now this this GM most of his resistant to a lot of those natural flags.

Oh boy -- Looking much for one discussion -- radio program but. But the other fact is that many of the things that even malaria which is you know supposedly eradicated by DDT. Even malaria if you look at the at the opera that the proposals that these solutions. Are there are a lot of non chemical solutions all of these things. What happens is that we have we have. Scientific community that is not very holistic or eclectic. We we we are we are much more. Knowledgeable about things a little things and -- the only thing you have in your toolbox and glamour. Every problem looks like at least be solved with a bail. And and the fact is that there are tons and tons of pollution from companion planting. Two -- biological. To Bob management practices. Are just just there are a slew of of very environmentally friendly solutions. All of these things but we have such a a huge. Corporate single purpose agenda being driven which is driven by -- stockholder warning fast growth and failed. That that even -- the research community if not free enough to look at you know that the other alternatives for what happens is you get -- You know skewed reports you'd buy -- and and they're you know there's all sorts of -- just just there's just mountains store and I learned yeah there's an expert at for the color display you know we've eradicated starvation. The fact here. That people were not starving. Before -- of the green revolution. If you look at the other CCC camps and you look at civil war -- stuffed in fact give we were paying much healthier. Population you know we did have cancer heart disease obesity until he died.

know calling here Helen your NW RQ would -- salads and from. A -- faced farms hi there Helen.

I didn't. This discussion got to be a little bit glory here but I can't keep telling me from another country that they have no wait don't tell their beef is much healthier than not. Because they they still love I get the blood just come about that -- and they -- doesn't go back into the body causing more bacteria. It within -- the blood circulatory system do you climatic collapse.

You know what you're talking about is how all and Kosher are slaughter. And that's pretty much the way we do it and it can be done when you just do one animal that time. Which you're doing both the rapid the rapid kill like these big industrial plants do. There's simply not enough time -- they do yes. Wolf for one thing they use a lot of electrocution I know all chickens or electrocuted what that does is it shut down there -- Obama nervous system. So the blood doesn't continue to pop. And so you have all that that black around the boat he -- to argue yell up black ground boat that's clot of blood that didn't -- out of the bird. And and I actually don't know how you know how to beat in the port is -- I -- the state they gassed them. Other one shot where they -- all these. Big and that in itself also. Shuts down these -- nervous systems that you just don't get the expulsion of blood like they have. But like you do at a Kosher or pull all. Kill.

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Say guys. Always I was gonna ask you wealthy you you mentioned that people working in my understanding is down in Virginia North Carolina. They are switching to illegal immigrants and a wonderful Carolina's huge problem. Detention if you -- possible probably -- Republican Party but I want to ask what nobody had a tough time finding our. Native Americans in the sense of.

You don't -- innocent Americans are essentially I don't know that's a great -- that is a great question. And maybe we can find the answer is that they pay a little better because they can charge more for what they do it and have bigger profit margins that that's just two guests. And I think that in this economy certainly there in the same situation everybody is which is any job they offer they probably have a ton of applicants are good but. Each attorney general made the point about how many people feel as if they're stuck in their dead end corporate cubicle. That night mirror rush -- we're going to work the nightmare rushing -- rush hour coming home plus the lowest job yet in this yeah absolutely and has something to be said for. The you know the vitality the -- the challenge the Fonda being outdoors I mean I'm not saying it's. -- is how to work got -- is -- where Obama is the -- work for -- healthy work it absolutely an effort allows you to put. Food running fairly stable there's no work that's dishonorable that's -- that is beneath any America until you watch this movie food bank and it's just. It is so there's something wrong about being in the food production business. And doing it in a way that you it you know is not helpful for the country don't watch -- CE and the unintended quite as good suggestion right after our right before this -- fifth but everybody got to go back that the government is subsidizing the pressure crap food not just bad meats and stuff. But through the corn subsidy. It makes soda it makes chips -- makes all the things that are producing an obesity epidemic in this country it's not like that caller said there were getting obese. Because it's so much good food available inexpensively. We're getting obese because is so much crap food that's available inexpensively as a result of government subsidies. To things like court. Cortes in virtually everything in the supermarket they.