State Reps Conflict of Interest

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Talk about how are camped out clubby little lap mr. -- please go into -- would dig a ditch go in digger don't mind some coal for awhile he's already -- and he -- that -- well let's employ high all around there are now -- that why we listen until. Chris cooks he felt since my C certainty is that she is right up there -- Actually York axles working on that album the -- Fox Sony five did a good good news report the cooks the highlight of force -- very excited to see it. State senator Fred very there highlight among others earns 91000 dollars a year as a house majority leader and chairman of the Senate ethics committee. And he also has a job working -- consultant for work -- nonprofit company that collects millions. From the state every year to help put the disabled the work he collects 45 grand a year for doing that conflict of interest sounds like. Because on the one hand he works for the state lawmaking body the legislature and on the other hand. He works for a company that tries to get money from the body. Conflict of interest yes or no mr. Federer no not a few of -- not a few disclose -- absolutely not talk about the long talking about the ethics morality and whether it's good government. I don't see why it's die yet it certainly is not bad government why well sounds to me like blatant bad government it does yeah that's doubled up. Those -- both sides of the equation you're welcome both sides of the --

So let's let's blitzed out with something that I think you would agree with and that is that outside real world experience. Is a positive it's a beneficial. Dimension to people who otherwise would be solely involved in in public affairs so whether somebody is -- let's say. Let's say you ran for office but you're an insurance. Agent yup. That he had a nice local little local agency people who use that like you built up this business. Why should you give that up because you ran in and you ran for a pass and the citizens of your community said Todd we'd like you we in my -- go up there and be our rapid. You'd be crazy want to give it up because. You were entering into an arena that's very very volatile and very public public sentiment to public supporters is is ephemeral is the -- It can come one there we understand the motivation for people wanna make as much money as possible the you're looking at a from a lawmakers point if you then what this story asks is that we look at it from these societal point of view what makes a government work better. Is it better to have the insiders who make the rules for government have the opportunity to be shaping those rules to meet their financial needs for their outside employment that there aren't the same time that there make on the rolls out what motivation would they ship in the rules that he's been in this specific case he has senator -- Which. You don't we we might wanna try to have senator Barry on at some point would it would have to go to some special lights to do it because. He suffers from a number of handicaps including multiple sclerosis what are the most impressive guys I have ever met in my life one of the most impressive success stories. Could just kind of sit around and have the world feel sorry for himself plus 4 PM I'm sorry dot does not feel sorry for himself does not ask us for the world's sympathy. But for him to offer he is in cites his experience his advice to work income. Which does amazing. Work for disabled folks now disabled -- the the new current term right you always criticized me and I'm told. I'm correct all the time I -- used to it mentally retarded any mall fire I prefer the use that are kept. I'm gonna stay with mentally retarded and how I grew up it was a phrase that people understand I know I don't want to say open if you want to that's how I know advocates for the mentally retarded go crazy and say gee this is a kind of about a blemish on what we're trying to do. But. And we're -- works with the mentally retarded trying to give them meaningful daily activities. In the allies. Give further develop contracts with Wal-Mart if they've developed contracts isn't -- how wonderful it is wonderful watching us unwashed bodies so -- why do you -- why don't suck at first because -- debate technique of avoiding what the essence of the point eight I was on the bush front and -- create a swirl of goodwill on the exterior is what -- just -- attention and -- is attention which treasure house sometimes phony talk radio -- Fox undercover producers Jonathan Wells and Kevin Rothstein done about other to this report and of course as soon as you see under cover you figure all this is salacious this is gonna be good stuff let's go to tech.

I don't know the good stuff -- all this -- and -- public reckoned there's nothing and sinister going on here is that I think you know those two things don't connect bug just because something's on the public record doesn't mean it's not sinister all kinds of sinister things are on the public record -- our entire government is sinister way it operates and that's all public record but -- What we know that the legislature is way too vulnerable to certain advocacy groups right. Such as such as if if they -- if fourteen people in wheelchairs. Protest at the legislature that legislature probably K event is -- on whatever the measure is that why you most of those agencies that represented our dog groups that represent people who read real cheers I -- disabled people. That have taken cuts of 20/20 53% that the legislature's been -- union they have those budgets cut wider they have those budgets so you have a guy like Fred Barry who is a state senator who's working for one of these troops. He's got he's giving them an unfair advantage of you I don't know why did -- margin -- they have to beat on a contract he has nothing to do with the contract and then there's and there are no issues ever come up in terms of policies that would have any effect on this group so all these lobbyists. Have no influence you say you bright days not nothing bad can ever happen. When people exercise influence he's not acting as a lobbyist curious -- course yes he's a consultant. He's consulting -- why do you think there -- higher and they hire because he's in the state alleges trouble -- so let them make good things have brought about because they might get some add extra -- some inside. From one of the most successful. But nonetheless. Seriously challenged guys I have ever met. He's thoughtful he's intelligent he can give them insight into business opportunities in the public sector. As well as the private sector as to how to have perhaps more mentally disabled IE re tied its citizens doing something meaningful is the day -- you stop deflecting it's not about -- we're not -- and of course it is not.

You're trying to bring this melodrama and sympathy because a lot of it opens on -- drama -- looking for him but the other person and why do you keep talking about people who are mentally deficient because it is -- now is what exam -- weren't -- weren't -- example -- let's go to some other examples and if you want -- on the example people who disability -- go ahead Korea can Sony doesn't now. He knows everybody and power it says there's thirteen people control George Allen yeah -- all its George Collins club.

representative -- arrogance of Concord on 26% of the lobbying firm ads. Ventures until her divorce last year up with clients including the powerful health care workers union SE EIU. The New England Aquarium and apple computers the firm has plenty of interest in interest influencing policy makers on Beacon Hill. Passive or any other companies benefited from her position of the state house she said oh no of course not. Okay so there's no mentally deficient people I don't think their freedom pander to opt out and tell me why it's a good thing for somebody who makes the laws. To also make money from people who want to influence those laws well she's no longer doing it because who -- if it. You know and and we'll have to go to another example -- not -- find -- extraction are I don't know her husband. Chet Atkins from a state senator and congressman. Had this public policy lobbying group or whatever and she was married to a Scioscia -- last year she has yet she had -- why she minister Peres addressed and that she is prohibited. By state. Law from voting on legislation in which he has a financial interest prohibited from doing it so she has no influence she can't talk to her fellow representatives and -- tell -- what happens I suppose I suppose -- I suppose she could would you as one of her fellow colleagues. Be moved because Currie says set AG I like to talk to about who they held -- New England a square know obviously -- by obviously commissary represented I would pay no attention to any thing anyone in the building wants. That's what I would do that would be in my career path out to get to the top of the heap like you did that would be to make -- whatever any rapidly building wanted I would ignore or work against them defend that would bring me greater influence what that day ago. Well so what will what do you think an issue for the New England Aquarium MySpace. Let's get let's get to would because you wanna suggest. Sinister motives you wanna suggest greed you wanna -- suggest. -- behavior let's come up with a new issues that are -- it's inherent to the new I don't wanna marry just any of those things what I wanna suggest is there should be a firewall between people's personal financial interest. And their work while there in the Statehouse is that unreasonable. No it's not -- reason -- there is no firewall there's the opposite there are gushing big pipes going through this from their private money. To their public responsible for big pipes so let let let me give an example of something the aquarium might be interested in okay. Some type we've improved access from the aquariums subway station to the aquarium does he quit the do we want a career may have a financial interest -- that. Yes is that is is somehow our other -- react and supposed to be prohibited. From -- thinking about it and voting on the improvements to the MBTA got a -- Jack should this be making money from anybody who has an interest in how that decision goes one -- the other. She should only be thinking about. What is the best policy for the state of Massachusetts that's all just shouldn't be thank -- and who is in the best position to make that determination her considerably right out the person and stitch you're certainly right person with a bested the ability to make that decision is the one who's getting paid. By the special interest involved in the decision being meant. -- And cast its votes on that. The people in the best position to determine whether her judgment has been compromised are heard Davis and why. Of course I have no idea. She has the file all the disclosures it operates in Romania flight to present a paper to a grenade why is percent in Europe and all else to anybody on the average state -- what percentage of people register do you think -- name. Oh gosh destroy any third I would present I would say well over 50% it's not in Korea it would try to make a 100%. By knows any which and a process all the trials can be have great name recognition you wanna say we.

No what they try to -- that's my -- that's why we wanna respond that's what they want but that's not what they get. While most is that they I'd try and it's not a course that you don't try to get a hundred. I don't they're not blaming some good looks like play their reaction might points out of some other stupid reaction you wanna have popped up a point -- go ahead. You are saying now that the voters are aware of their corruption. The voters are even aware -- it's not corruption -- whatsoever it is not to restaurants and ridiculous structural reason ridiculous since the worst kind of corruption of spring are showing little time folks like used out on this little -- to talk about. Not these people -- they have no experience in the real world they don't know about meeting a payroll didn't evident no matter what you say they have never done anything outside the building -- why can't they go out and understand how the real world works they go out and -- how the real thing and they participate in immersed himself and that in the real world they enjoyed my daughter is dangerous and look at that it's corruption it's conflict have been wonderful things as possible for him things are volatile and obviously there's no -- common cause. It will motto of all people is quoted as saying it's not necessarily bad to have lawmakers have outside work and have outside occupation and I agree with the if not necessarily -- let me take a one degree for the it is absolutely. Any improvement yes I'm not so I again you're arguing a point that's not in dispute. More than YU -- you're about people who don't -- a mighty B job because the job shouldn't be ones that happened how is that coincidence happened I don't know anybody. Whose job it is to influence policy over the state house get all these state reps and senators have jobs on the side. -- have to do with influencing policy of the -- you're crazy -- I -- desperate some other crazy people on 617. 266 -- US is truly. Crazy Jeff -- okay on the one hand -- we want real world Siberia usually free throws so you Joe what do you see how he argues. I did take the Jaffe when irrational are Bradley you wanna try to go ahead tell he's an attorney.

Tom how many sides of the mild do you have to each you know there are -- good lead going -- community said. They they hired armed him the very bitter because in his life experiences that all this stuff and he's gonna bring expense and nothing to do they need a -- works for the government. And it has sent this lady on the military is gradually and she had to reload the knowledge adult friend and relative moderate --

No -- and it says that she like sweating in the -- that I enjoy what they're. My husband had a business Jeff. -- uninhabited. From that business he derives some benefit what is that conflict have been --

Because she -- why money can't try to write scripts. Right. Because I don't consider myself I want I didn't go to college but I don't think I'm so bad I didn't know anything about this we told came about. K let's talk about the people don't nothing about how much money coming out of my wallet and -- while they just hope these people back kids and people get Connecticut amid a -- as well that's an insult us.

Husband's -- her husband's firm represented the New England Aquarium. -- Apple could. We'll see how dare you notice she doesn't care how much money or husband -- so what is apple computers have to do with Korea outcomes. Hey did. I won't tell me what so if apple computers put in a bid. On now let's go and computerize the wreckage at the registry motive and apple says or how we gonna -- and apple -- how how -- how -- decided Jonathan -- It might have led bid process you holding your you know make that decision. That gob gonna end is I AT team not joke poorly at the ends.

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Good to know if you want to hire a firm. Just like you're talking about these are different I would -- the person in the legislature despite all the lights -- the person in the legislature despite.

I'm gonna go and hire a firm to computerized the records -- pick in the best DM firm with the best yeah I'm just just -- I don't I don't just can't sell the -- right -- there's no way to influence a bid process in the sit -- secure.

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That is saved fox -- report. Indicating that several lawmakers have jobs that are -- parents of nothing else of a conflict of interest that is. They can make more money for themselves by making sure the legislature does nice things for companies are connected to for example there's one guy whose family owns a lumber business. And he is a part owner. And the he'd be through his his business does 600000 -- of a bit of sales to the state that's a lot of money the state -- which might be influenced in some way he's that's David to receives a Democrat from North -- don't put it onto small percentage 12% to should -- industry and -- up at that distance by the -- don't -- served with they give you a price represented a recent knowing that as to not buy any -- about a man is dead. The news it's a business that's been they've been in business for a long long time. Do you seriously -- do you seriously think that the state or public agencies who may have purchased lumber and other building materials. Do it because David to receipt is a state rap that's the quickest way you go to jail. You go to jail for those type of thing well somebody scrolls -- out on the yellow pad that says -- for David is a big.

I I could try it they don't take it doesn't it it doesn't work that way now do you think that somebody who has an ownership interest. You -- business does the real world business I'm in Merrimack Valley. It doesn't bring the perspective on sales tax issue. Income taxes. Workers -- euros -- all -- things the bad thing that -- theory a bad thing is a -- into interest experience then really increase not a conflict he -- I don't know how many times I can say this to -- homelessness all the trouble is we don't believe you because well we're looking at the -- basically a case where where I can see how right you -- you know they -- Streisand as you prefer the only reason he's a reality on the informed. Point out of the world and say. The robot arms is not the last scala is upset what's represented affront to you why because of the charter school controversy. Up and Gloucester does that make her corrupted he said yeah. I say no it's a difference of opinion on Charter Schools so I throw that deal when you say -- other all of a bag while the Democrats. -- less than an -- we're gonna have Jim street Joe -- gonna talk to talk to us about shot -- school legislate us that's moving through that democratically controlled legislate LSU and I might say every hundred dual -- we have Bryant isn't just a UN -- by the Obama administration as an as a result as well average leverage. You don't but it's got nothing to do with the five million dollars they're going out -- I'm sure that the financial incentives have just autonomy you know suddenly after six year old Arizona -- good schools he's suddenly -- what else am I gonna do -- about what you and I bringing attention to the progress that's being made in Charter Schools is a door -- a variety of circumstances in the federal government puts billions on the table -- a look at that and say G-8. We have some haven't exactly a year -- so the reality -- well -- under the charter school thing you can renew and and a half an hour -- but the point is that there are people who NN I I know -- from what the word corruption so we should find another word we can use. Or talking about -- institutional corruption good people who go into a body that works a certain way because of the structures that what you wanna do is make sure the structures are built in -- way. That dozens. Allow this kind of influencing to go want. Did -- to -- family have a lumber business before he died in the public service desk he runs for office got -- and his neighborhood -- this community elect a yes should he have to -- you just like oh I get it now I have to walk away I can't bring any experience nor can I had any type of financial relationship with a firm that's about a company that's been might that might -- we founded. Years and has always been involved in three years should he be now explode a dramatic that's an absurd. Position you want people with real world you wirelessly and those are hard to help that is to meet a payroll. He knows I want -- and -- I'm not disputing the experience party keep arguing the part where there's no dispute okay dispute is over whether. What happens in the state house might be unduly influenced by the fact that his company. Is doing business RS and he -- way you would have a point Tokai. If in fact the speaker's office said well we gotta do some renovations in the building it's all the we're gonna do this -- we're gonna do that and by the way wink wink. David Teresa is a good guy he supported me to speak out let's give all the work to David to -- family lumber company. Then you've got a problem and -- to people would not let that happen what speak at the Leo and tool David to restate what you freight in kid may. Dave why they don't they should not be excluded from competing for legitimate contracts but hey don't want a bad job the bag job is where you go to. JOK so what you're saying is in the area where the ethics laws are strict enough we don't have to worry about them violating the law. What I'm saying is in the areas where the -- why don't go that far. Then we have to be a little more concern when they psychological further I want the ethics let -- say that once you're elected then the forum that you off the and we spent affiliated with -- years cannot do business do you want I think every idea he's still well I felt that I brought you 6172666860. Should somebody. Going into public service which -- is always implied sacrifices -- So I think one of those sacrifices should be you no longer can make any money. Or have any benefit -- you. Four other business interests your devotion has to be. To the state of Massachusetts you're getting paid a fulltime salary of cash into a full time job would you keep the salary this I know I would cut it down -- cut it down lower to you you won't even run now what the seller that is an inflated -- at all I would do it the passage in you know I don't know luxury goods like you do it for two weeks you yourself have said. Tedious meetings. Saw people draw horrible job place right -- is why it attracts people would demand to lead -- how big the hole of CNN that trough and have enough power. The power off the Holler it's it's immense power in new yeah there should be a how many years he says there why do you stay there all that time I enjoyed it. See you enjoyed it he enjoyed them -- are now the pain the agony and the lack of influence and power knew it all guilty it was an opportunity. To represented people -- to do a fairly skillfully might get clarity I broke my. Europe though you're -- honest they would all do. -- guess that hey Mike what's going on good morning to area.

Dario you know. Try to always responding -- thought I would say this as anybody can't cheat a little bit corruption in this they're blind. But slipped what do we do like this -- are -- doesn't do I don't promotion. All employees and anyone associated with the space and Eric barracks -- They're the most character regime should have known better. That's certainly that -- you know first of all that 600000 -- put out darkened peanut chip probably continue to ship did JE NN GO. Impede the -- board chairman -- have for these people. Absolutely. I subscribe to election Darby if it is being made it see I don't know that term but at all.

My -- immediate access and allowed our -- not let me read the specific chat job report that was made by Fox25. To receive Democrat of north and owns a 12%. -- in his family's business 12% is not control and and obviously. And the name of the businesses Jackson lumber -- and -- has sold 600000 with the goods to state agencies in the past two and a half he has controller. Wrecked kids' show that's a lot of money here it is over the past two and -- is -- on how -- some lumber yard run north and over get all the business from Austin they put in. A bid -- with a bid process is always pure and on influenced by politics is a who's not involved a man -- state representative David Teresa you know we is involved -- those involved perhaps maybe it may sell the -- may know about seldom may -- it may have been any number state agents and how how about this and may have been abused the registry before let's use it again. The registry -- have been moving the office from point a to point B. And they need to renovate the opposite point lead the registry run by a former Sarah you just you -- polo like. And oh yeah and so the bid goes in in in Jackson lumber comes in. With the lowest bid might you. And maybe it isn't Todd as taxpayers. Not we'd better served by have a Jack if I did go low bidder if they're the high -- you know what Mike. They don't get it. The contract there's nothing in the inaccurate about what I said time and time again since we started this topic they don't get the contract must have the lowest. -- spots a -- bitter you are better off and I'm better off by that. You can -- you're gonna have zero impression of this Mike however you want but you a better off -- more bidders in the game and if you work.

The contributors see anywhere you want -- forever but that's another that's -- it is. In order to exploit this story into a conflict of interest and could -- you know let's hope he should have a -- that the dollars because they look look -- it didn't put this state because I don't wanna be called temporary titled -- impropriety.

Mike thank you remain in the point you make it very all right and so perhaps the next lowest bit it was gonna judge the commonwealth another 52000 -- let's leave -- eyes because we all know that nothing could ever -- the bidding process in the state of Massachusetts. But let the influence over the way policies are made rules that are made there's all kinds of esoteric stuff -- you guys deal with in the state house right about what kind of -- can be sold in treated Lou what kind of chemical and all that stuff is done without anyone have any any idea scanning done except for this. The interests. Who are in their fighting it out there what you don't want is people to have. Eight. Benefit that would accrue to them that's more important than good public policy that's all I don't know why you wouldn't fight for that at every turn and that's what the laws reflect for the laws obviously aren't strong enough what he's talking about -- based on this reality. That is or isn't very compelling or borrow a compelling report TJ you're on WR -- right side -- compelling. Very persuasive.

The -- element TJ what's donuts and I'm just curious. How what how how much business did you actually Robert do with this deep before. --

Did we don't hesitant question don't have any information on that it's a 3 o'clock and yet. Wallace and you gotta blame fox Sony five for that then they're the ones who do the legwork on this story but it's -- and I would it would it's a very fair question to.