Nursing Unions

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Thank you to those tributes and then for highlighting the election sir wasn't aware that want. The story in the globe today frontpage which I think demonstrates through the end game of what. The health insurance debate is all about it's really about. The moving a big power structures in this country. Ended that the idea that's the long term all the Democratic Party to maintain power or to be able to have a better shot of maintaining power. And that is to use the more. All of our economy that becomes a public employee union based economy. Based jobs. But more of that there is the more loyal. Servants they have and the more secure their power this. And I think that's what the whole health care debate is about from the point of view of the Democratic Party. That's why they lie so continually misrepresents or try to do anything to get this 1500 page monstrosity pushed through. Because they wanna take 1617%. Of our economy. And put it under their Bailiwick which is this tight relationship between government money and votes. That is impenetrable from the point if you Democrats because they pay for those votes in this type money circle the story is nurses may join. Big union. Why would the nurses in this country. V consolidating. Behind a single big union. Because they know there's a ton of money that's gonna be made. When this universal health care thing. Goes through and they wanna maximize there upside when you're -- mr. speaker I'm not sure that this -- ton of money to be -- don't all come on you don't think nurses are going to be paid more under the new model.

Well nurses are already paid reasonably well they are reasonably well they also have necessary very difficult job he is what nurses on the front line we'll -- yet. I wanna get calls on both sides of this. He has been one of the most interesting debates going on for several years in the legislature who was. Underway when I was there have been out now for what ideas. Almost a sped up since July. Ha ha well I do -- there's a lot of controversy about it in these socially it was less nurses would come forward and says. That they re being left very frequently and in this situation in which they were asked to look at. 10121418. Patients at a time some of them in icu settings in which it almost becomes almost impossible to do the appropriate professional job and said they would say then. Hospitals. On the enormous financial pressure. We're cutting back on staffing so the nurses would say. We need this staffing ratio bill that for every nine patients there should be one registered nurse and one LP and whatever might be so they were looking for staffing ratios. It has unleashed in the incredible but both sides very well informed very passionate debate. My recollection is it's still twelve not bad it still has not passed that. The legitimacy from the nurse who feels overwhelmed that wants to do her a -- his or her best professional job. Is this is utterly impossible this is not sustainable for me personally know professionally nor was -- good health care for patients. The hospital administrators come back and say well wait a minute we're in the business of helping heal these patients we don't wanna put anybody in -- jeopardy don't have the legislature might -- managed. And tell us that every circumstance require is a particular formula for nurses that's what this whole thing has --

I'm glad you brought that in because that's a wonderful example of the hazards that we face as we turn healthcare over to the government the government will succumb instantly to those kinds of pressures from. Their union workers we are instantly addictive but with the example I just gave -- I just don't it's been going on for years and years and years and an overwhelmingly democratic state sympathetic to labor and union hall so rampant that it still hasn't path of a bill that the hospital also and it's not a roll all hospitals also have a lot of leverage in this state once you have. -- the national government controlling these health care decisions. They will make formulas for these kinds of things that are favorable to the unions and that's how the relationship evolves and becomes so codify it but think about how. Bad it is through this is why people hate bureaucracy. Because you're running it may there may be certain circumstances. Where it's gross. The number of patients at a single nurse is required to take care if the marketplace fixes that. That's the best case scenario because. If it can adjust to each individual hospital. Each individual floor and what their requirements are if you make a role. Based on so what the nurses want that might not accommodate the the over the room within the floor of the -- whatever you wanna call it where there isn't so much demand and they can actually handle more patient -- that you are royals are getting in the way of that efficiency.

Well that's what the hospitals would argue in the hospitals but locally the Massachusetts hospitals would say hey wait a minute California did this. That looks to be very very expensive -- in fact. It ignores the reality of hospital administrators he is the reality taught you and I might be patients. -- explorer kind of hospital a Mass. General. Our Q do you is different and when we just jazzed at the end of the week there are two more patients who -- those beds near acuity is different so again the one size fits all. In legislation sometimes is a very very desirable thing and other times it's like a straitjacket. I hesitated myself. To impose a straitjacket from a legislative point of view how I held -- know. What's the right ratio to have on that -- the surgical floor arisen as well as the --

Mostly -- part of that is taking the decision making away from the marketplace word gets defined the reality is if -- if it is the union argument that there was some huge tragedy going on because nurses are just so overworked and deal with Sony patients. That would show up in some visible way there would be deaths attributed to -- there'd be families. On the on the TV news at night sharing their horrible stories -- us end the population would be going along with this thing you have these. Insider political debates. About how to legislate this kind of thing because it's about politics and money and power it's not about what the marketplace wants. They wanna get it out of the marketplace and get an end up behind closed doors of of the of Beacon Hill or the capital so that they can have their way without doubt about public health.

to undo this up recollections all apologize and in advance about -- capture preferably somebody can call in and correct me on the year that's always welcome. I do think one of the things the legislature did was to put limits for example on consecutive ships. That for example nurse working in -- can't be asked to work. More than two all one and half consecutive ships -- checks it's pretty -- intense we can't she do it do so show us what we do that we did we put limits on that as well again it's a reflection that these particular jobs whether it's a police officer who -- split second command. To make the right decision on whether it's -- us in a life and death situation our medical situation you don't want them operating on the edge of exhaustion so. You know again if you might say hey that's the legislature they interfere in the marketplace but the marketplace taught until the legislature set that -- the marketplace was putting under us. On entry into that state of exhausted how what how is he is she gonna make anything other than a zombie like decision would like that you might like it -- I don't like that idea.

All right that's how you feel here's here's the scary part to me. First paragraph of the story unionized nurses in Massachusetts. Are moving towards affiliate in with their counterparts in California and more than twenty other states. To create the largest union in US history a 150000. Member powerhouse that would lobby lawmakers. For higher staffing levels and an overhaul of the nation's health care system. They wanna do hospitals what they have done into the nation's schools and that's why they're excited about universal health care what do you think 617. 26668. Succeed John. Euro on WRKO what's up.

Hey guys I don't. My mother retired nurse assistant and -- brother as a naval officer at person at this. And it's consistent throughout that. From all three of them that -- the majority of their time spent doing paperwork. They do state required. Hospital required eat up pushed out of paperwork more that spent time with the -- India they have a very every patient load they're always busy on its feet but I did its job but the common complaint is. That they're deregulation. The amount of people work is the worst part of the job.

so it's good similar police officer or the doctor's office is they just feel encumbered by red tape. And make it much better job refer -- tape got out of their lives you know what's on the that would you know with some of that would be -- is when he speaks to would all the time that's an appropriate point -- that would be.

You Todd policy lone defensive medicine. Need to get that file is not complete if there's a gap if there's an error of omission and heaven forbid I'm not have -- what the outcome that's like three leading guilty I'm going to loyal and then by -- gonna say hey look at this look at this gap what happened here. And know what nurse a doctor can really remember without having really in incredibly document directly sharp that allow a lot of paperwork about suppressed the era.

6172666. C 868 re you excited about the idea of big national unions to be leveraging congress into how much they get -- how many hours they work.

Well actually -- definitely share of that. Soledad no question yeah it's the only Muslim -- destroy everything you know Limbaugh or -- You know a lot of things that they're proposing this issue with this health care plan is the fact disregard medical assistant majority to actually begin -- in terms of doctors and nurses have to imagine a national health care plan that that can it's there's anywhere -- from twenty to 47 million now they say these people better undocumented free cable TV services from emergency rooms. Well that may be troll. What did they are not be utilized in the medical services and famous all of us are in terms of what we go to your primary care for cold and in the such. A lot of these people are going without. About stealing the medical system and they're hitting the hospital and doctors' offices and strain is gonna be astronomical. On the medical community. If if we think that nurses are overworked now. Well it'll I think instituted. Its gonna it's gonna be a disaster. And absolutely that there won't be enough doctors and nurses so attorneys handle the overflow in the yeah. This has not been -- outer gulf.

Well they don't care about while thinking do you having a well thought out because they don't care about the policy they care about politics. And this is power enhancing for Democrats and that's why they do this stuff. When we see big national union that phrase should scare the hell we should we go running in the other direction should we not --

Union had a place in the turn of the century when when that people were beaten and abused like. There were no label -- in place for kids fourteen factories were people working correctly seven days a week and in the --

No they had there time. There was a time when the idea being he doesn't cause an giant and now it's a negative stuff. I Epstein says that quite a bit that they had their time -- time has come and gone gone. And -- the same thing I would ask you this. Has human nature changed so dramatically in the time from the time which union to receive not all missile shells -- balance the balance of power has changed not you are human nature so the ugly human nature of the made corporations big. -- surest things. Is that's now those attributes now plight of the union baseball terse destructive essentially have been well I'll phrase that perhaps more benignly but you have.

Big. Economic. Competitive. Forces hospitals are not without resources big corporate America are not without resources. Unions can be seen as an appropriate balance and certainly you and ray have conceded the point already. That let's say a hundred years ago -- you know -- right after the turn of the last century child labor and other horrific abuses. Cried out there what they horrific abuses right now the cry out for the -- well one of the things we know was that horrific abuses of -- will not occur if you -- in the yet to counteract them if you take unions often the page hey this day has come and gone CEO.

Why I say they might be weakened because the problem right now is -- correct it if you assume by you refer weakening dollar abolition did the problem we have now is they are what they do is they take decisions that should be made. Based on the well being of of the people their surfing and make them into political backroom deals. You have decisions made about how many hours people work or -- kind of services going to be provide or. Didn't the nurses wanting controls on how many patients say -- taking care of that it's not about that particular hospital anymore they're working in -- about fighting now hospital it's about the power battle for the power struggles is not about the best you take the patient out they -- just.

The individual -- Todd who's now -- work The Third Shift in a -- The Third Shift in a -- how does the individual nearest. Combat the hospital the entire Iraqi -- does not that's highlighted by my position on that numerous staff think thank you know I wasn't and say here's what I can make the argument and present I think got irrational. Picture for you a real life picture for you that would lead people think gene you have because this is not about time.

It jewels it's about the cumulative effect if enough nurses -- quitting because there are overworked. If there -- enough lawsuits because people had been abandoned because the nurses are. So overstressed. Then the marketplace will adjust if you start putting if you have somebody a legislatures never in -- hospital or make in the decision and that's where you run into problems. Because and it's political it's not about the patients anymore about the well being -- the health care marketplace then you're -- WRQ good morning.

I always -- My problem. I finally. Finally agree with spotlight on the fact that who wouldn't when you say that you should. You know he should not so -- the -- to the unions that are necessary coming -- Just like health care shouldn't be destroyed we should modify what the paroled or union should be modified because -- right. If you took the union that -- had to wait try to get it real way to lauded make all union disappear human -- at the same need exact total.

Railroad but -- I'm entering -- into I'm not saying they need to be obliterated I'm saying right now.

I'll -- it -- but I mean but alas. You know ten month club wasn't he keeps saying union the bad.

And I will continue to say I'm glad you -- and I've been dead because let's do it every death though you do is go add goal have does that image -- did destroy and I don't understand you just -- and they -- and they really kind of we really need a Little -- contradict and I'd say they're strong in the balance of powers too much in their favor in their destructive.

I would agree it's it's like the -- guess that's gonna cut out of control about the need to be. Completely wipe out one by the government out which -- should be exactly. Actually conservative union member tied to.

Good morning nominee Larry and I've been nurture over thirty years.

Revelations. Do you wear the white shoes with a thick --

me when I was very that we did that anymore not anymore now ashore. But I can't -- seen an evolution of nurse thing you know because that -- just so long and you know we started export dollars and hour and you know we -- We would work sixteen hours a day at times you know we didn't really -- choice to do that. And not to do that I mean and I think that you know in the union came in right usually you are you -- came in I went eight years without a raise. And our staff ratio I worked in intensive care or not they staff ratio went from Canada one just order one. So I think -- hospitals where abuses at their power. And so where are we had a chance to eating it actually did end up after that act salaries -- to be. A living wage for us. And you know so I think is bishop the balance.

are now where do you think the balances now.

Well I think what we have -- NA which is the State's. You know master is just there's of the association and I think they've helped -- a lot I don't know if I'm really in favor -- national. Union because I like that we had uncontrollable. Over what policies there may format cheap it's been not for. Federal.

You know we have the we have a flavor here in the suited up local makes sense -- Larry Smith says she's not seeing the big opportunity here yeah hi guys -- of federal government's gonna take over healthcare you wanna be able across summary. You wanna -- crush them and make as much money as possible for as little work and have as much on the hostility towards employers possible. That's what unions are pushing for all the time.

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That she was that she's been a nurse for thirty years. Her she did not gonna pay raise to eight years and she worked in the icu ownership her her up patient ratio. Went from two when she started so hospital administrator deemed a one point. Intensive care to patients at best we get we have to take your impressions they doubled it. And she never had a pay raise for eight years is that -- is that the type a system do you think is --

Good morning I -- I would actually water that people. That how bush responsible for doing media this study young nurses. For me -- we have signings and Paul. That the unions were wrong. And nationally there was a shortage in that they world war but here in Massachusetts and I don't I'm not making any friends. They wish charge by the legislature. Or years ago. To find out if in fact there was a shortage of nurses. And that they global work and the -- and just. Into the question. That that should be asked available work and having or patience and a nice seal. On the national level is much smaller. Than anywhere else in the country. We have many more hospitals here Massachusetts but the fact of the matter is. That we have we have great service. And pro woman and -- she you'd be handling. You know for patience is not considered all the work on nationally that you're going to 78. They didn't wanna hear that I think the attack. This senator or actual charge.

So is this a union thing is that where the pressure came word this ratio is 41 ratio. Come from.

afford to one ratio was actually small national. Before.

No I don't go to web ratio was the caller from the last segment to write and talking about where it is now -- she said she got from to reform. And at one point they unionized.

But what happens is the national. Association of nurses what's the one that was saying god and they would -- They wouldn't say that they were overworked and so we did this study that allows us and it came out and remember where public hospital I -- and I. I didn't know which I no longer work this sort don't have any problem saying that now I mean we -- no -- it you know there was no I.

You know virus okay CA -- it is studying you found out that the nurses here are under worked is that it.

to work but don't put a bigger and it was an average or lower than average.

Okay thank you for that information that's helpful because one we did hear those shows when he are theories suggest this can work the marketplace finds its balance fines and the hologram for the hospitals are not gonna be foolish and jeopardize the impatient to jeopardized irregularities -- rain around him well. Hospitals here have great reputations I don't want to mess around with that also the other thing this carries you think about icu nurse now I don't know anything about I'm speculating. But I would think over periods of time. The with the burden of the responsibility shifts based on technology like right now and a good CO they've arrived they've got people wired up to all kinds of monitor equipment second report centrally to nurses desk. You get one person monitor and fifty people might be abolished throughout all yet that's just what I want when I'm in the icu so when now when -- Adori armistice speak industrial QD zero a couple of our.

And then then they liked being around me so. We all get and that's right they like the John. So when the extra well that a wonderful technologies. Stats to show that there's an erratic heartbeat or irregular breathing or something like that not just in the patient down enough the fire into the hall all the patient right around the corner to. What does that wonders who's monitoring fifty I realize it's -- hypothetical -- and exaggerate the one who's usually a good 1038. To ten. And now it's IE CEU. That means. Credit to all. You're in tough -- well.

Look in less chairman of one to one ratio that's always a factor that somebody might have more than one thing I don't -- be -- by the fact all I'm saying is if you don't have the ability to hook people up to electronics and you have to actually monitor them -- guys in years. That's a much harder thing to do than it is with a alarms going off bribery -- NWR give atomic taught here.

If god spoke at NATO and -- it. Doing good you feel good what's going on how the nurse's -- although it started to walk okay -- not.

What I what I noticed why without actually kind of disappointed I don't have a very difficult job and I know that the education and you probably delirious or Bobby had not -- people -- But what I noticed the nurse overall boy who -- If you a lot of push you around give people medication the nurse's -- you don't do that held a lot of work.

Well I think there is any -- any -- for shoe off. And obviously the positions are at the top of the nurses who say Jesus depositions they show up -- you never see them for 6860 seconds and then they're gonna and the burden falls on me. And and the -- probably has a similar relationship with the --

I don't have a complaint -- in -- Bruce very difficult them sometimes to get your attention now I did always say I beat the acting as a.

Did you get Oral Roberts saying is if you want to get help while your in the hospital called of LA. Hot topic between parking car silk cut out for -- there's something --

Yeah I'm not that I felt like effect I guess better got to get -- get a little crazy because people want to get attention there's something and it and maybe. I was surprised I asked him how many people are actually on that law in fact it wasn't that a large number. I wasn't a large number and I that is the reason they can't get please visit the -- a lot of people can't -- control what the true it would.

Yeah they -- about attitude not about how we got.

Please say they say it's always pretty. And again that as well -- they keep pushing pushing at -- blocks around all done and tradition that point of sale my -- is going to however delegate lead up.

Roloson that's mostly what what I think they would have to do in terms of busy work when this not an emergency is they're doling out drugs sent. Checking to make sure ideas freshen things like that you don't wanna lose sight of the fact that there is an incredible unpredictability. To all of this it can be a fairly routine thing for trend -- They have today okay -- the Robertson the world doing okay did differ a couple of dale did dislike the pilots were planned generally doing -- and then all of a sudden all -- break up their majorities -- you don't need more than 12 situations going bad I mean it's but it's -- it's just a lot.

Really right here and there's elements of focus groups say yep that's. Drill helping to tell mr. pearl detested fellow human -- uses announcer read polls show doesn't throw prisoners of Karl you're mr. trump.

Then lied and you can guess Patrick -- unions in the joy Avian -- health care. So they can do to help cure what they've done to a public employees elsewhere into schools and things like that templates really a beautiful future of our country and it's very contentious debate and you know you you had the heart transplant -- you're in the Toronto life a fashion that's let's see alive. -- Hot trends and -- to. Says there right and you -- man how can thank you -- ticket yet or not you you have to go to you have to go to the next building over three flows up good lack. And then you call for nurses I'm sorry sir I Marty put in my ninety minutes straight I now yeah -- Library -- you cannot show OK did I cut a hole love thought how they've occupies the run believed -- going to be a beautiful thing universal health care all six run seventh 2666860. Attaching an extra taught a job -- they have succeeded him like jail.

Good morning gentlemen he entered the game out of it started at the air because. It like Halloween story -- of -- Look I'm here. -- Only want to pay people -- they have. Doesn't care that employees -- governor factory. That's a monster but they admitted that goes Jerry Bigelow Laura. But I know is scary but we showed you don't be terrified. The reality at least a million member of the union is just another level of management. Data emblematic -- And it just did it get the -- got a caller is right it promotes mediocrity.

Patrick when you went to a union meeting end and -- pushed back against you leadership their attitude. Their ineptitude whatever use our inexperienced. How did you fellow members respond and how did the union is respond to your criticisms of.

They they earlier that we don't care this I don't have a quote we are here are protected your number. Though I wouldn't be in the works and -- I -- parker college student. Eric golf what could be you know I had to cut back on employees. --

Yeah but -- but they got paid more money -- that. -- absolutely that's what the unions after they wouldn't want somebody making Alaska's and they get less of their --

I actually because of the guy -- got paid 25 and our union people I haven't.

They really okay scaled down.

Oh I got laid off yeah when I can't really be all. They -- I -- really much. I kept getting a letter from the incident probably not paying your true yeah.

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But you are right are bought the unions. They're a bunch of blog I -- a nebula W.

What I felt what I don't happen. Always see on the -- phone line makes a regular. I think that was the union controlled only if you can operate with director. Sorry about that -- makes a regular line I would love to let's hope -- Jack is on the -- go to Jack one of the independent line discretion hey Jack good morning.

There got KO developed earlier that guy had talked yeah yeah yeah we got. -- is driving what you fiesta not retired. They -- about bio home put my kids to college. And enjoyed it very comfortable retirement then due to the union.

That's good news thank you for sharing that -- anything else -- No. Part of what we're glad it's not all ugly you there is an occasional good story --

No unions have given what I would call a middle class quality of life -- Millions of people who otherwise left to the around. Individuality and number in a brutal market place would have been crushed down as people were for many many in the --

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