Senate health care bill

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What do you think -- good luck. Let me know how or some sort of are cracking the windshield -- down too -- on the -- why would you do that seems to me to be classically inefficient -- scraper is soon -- legendary Felix manual labor. I'm past that point in my life such a wimp. Have you but beyond belief I like the idea using electrical thing I'm just pleased to -- and I think you are sensitive about -- global carbon footprint of tolerance for that's health reform in the news. Once again has the Senate Finance Committee passes something it is a watered down. Piece of crap of a bill but it's certainly better than the other pieces of crap they've intern shove down our throats because this does. Why us and the less they do it seems to me the less damage they can do but that's an assumption. And we need to talk to an expert commercial and it's going to be very very expensive and it's gonna leave lots of people uninsured and experts who have. -- expensive to realize weekend off we can now in shore Alba 28 million people for only 31000. Dollars each there you go this is a federal government solution what could be wrong look at. Let's bring in -- are gonna help us with this the policy director patients first which is say I think it's fair to describe an anti. Health measure of group is that fair felt.

Well we're certainly can't beat -- particular message that move forward in congress right now we certainly have our own ideas about reform we'd like. The so we're not defenders the the president right now. They didn't build it today and even bill -- the wrong word -- funny the president says it can be dealt need to be worked out they actually voted it out of committee before they wrote itself they've got like a 250 page summary of outlook going to be a thousand page -- in Cali and Washington. What you think of voting for somebody first in the right yeah.

Business center in language I -- I -- I like the theater waiting sounds like I knew who Nobel prize hot hot hot hot hot. Hot Nobel prize for consumer and unwritten not piece of legislation -- my money is that the usual procedure for them to do are they doing and only because this is an impossible builder right.

Well -- the Senate Finance Committee generally doesn't work with actual -- but generally -- because the senate finance -- usually just writing. But I'm entitled to get -- evidence that something else it was very good friends they were actually writing. Supposedly the whole -- legislation at the grand Koppel was listening to give more moderate one of salon so. It normally would finance committee doesn't -- built I think in this case they absolutely should have I think the American people deserve to be. What this program look like you'd be dealt before with voted on the I didn't do that well nowadays belt sort of use that excuse that. Typically we don't -- built -- senate finance the because usually. They don't they write here a bit going to be an almanac that would have been a better to another they'll stay in that situation like this but happily they they should've. -- note saying that the public should have seen it before they go to.

Still given that unusual. Approach that has been used to hear what should we expect. Next they've they've got a 250 page summary I read about conceptual. Language so on and so forth. What of the next steps with the other there are deals are at least proposals. That a floating around how he's gonna be meshed into one so that mean you and Todd can have intelligent conversation with our audience. Married yeah. Oh my god knowledge really depressed it's in Harry Reid's kids.

Harry Reid and here now supposedly merging of -- the framework that just passed by the senate finance community in the big meetings and then right. Did the we've what was passed by the Senate health and health education labor.

So the heads of -- should those commodities the heads of the committees are gonna be there and white house representatives. And they're gonna craft a bill now is an IRA.

Yeah I mean there's supposedly emerging -- buttons but I understand it one of the things you're merging give -- written yet. But essentially you've got a life to write it however you want -- I think read that the pretty free hand. Try to -- this -- however he thinks he can get up -- six.

so why so what he would still has to be voted on by the Senate and then that bill has to be merged with the house and then. That new thing has to be voted on by both chambers in the fundamental differences. Remain regardless of all this infighting give that there were roster right now.

I think you're right out of the key hurdle that they're -- key hurdle that they're gonna get past them to move that thank. But first the sixty vote in the US senate because they could ever be able to invoke cloture you need sixty votes everything controversial but that left him. Now if if they -- would -- no -- better than they appear to right now I mean they need to get -- Nine out of the sixty.

While Sevilla real snow says she's not this year not necessarily for what's forthcoming.

And you're right right right direction he had said that you know she's voting to move the date forward they cannot count on her they can't be sure to revoke the interstates. Only put out a statement late last night the city of Olympia Snowe voted for that. She's not even gonna be allowed in the room when they write the bill that's suitable for the next level I hope -- reconsider possibly they won't have to --

Well he's lookin' -- he's lookin' for trouble if you exclude somebody. Like Olympia -- we also read in the papers today that Joe Lieberman has said hey count me out I'm not vote for this. As described -- as conceptual lies. By the by the baucus committee members.

We all understand now I don't know senator Lieberman is just trying to get something all of the -- where he would spend a lot of order he's serious about all. Including the challenge getting to that they've -- Evan Bayh from Indiana. It's about a lot of difficulties what did that very unpopular is they. I think it Arkansas -- actually get even though she voted for an incentive for -- but much like Olympia Snowe. She's the big question mark for moving this forward we've been to talk to them to get that -- the and then as you point out. They've been got to figure out how to compromise -- because the house Democrats pushed strongly opposed to the major funding mechanism. It is that pocket version of the plan that. I'm more expensive health benefits they hate -- but it's gonna hit you know bottom.

policy director of the patients first organization on WRKO patients first is resisting the health care reform as the Democrats wanna see it. Yesterday the insurance industry came out against this measure. And they said the problem was there was a in this seems to me a valid criticism. The way it's designed it's not gonna force everybody to get health care and by not forcing everybody to help get healthcare. That means that six people can sit around waiting. In so that Orwell people consider around -- is he waiting till we get second then they can go insure themselves which sole lead to an economic mess.

Why this is exactly is exactly -- probably you've got there Massachusetts which is that. You know if you try -- or federal -- that insurance that you can't make the healthy he'd been up to where you don't have uninsured people. Then you get the football where people say hey the insurance companies are required to cover me if I've got a preexisting condition that it charger anymore -- my premium. Located -- civil penalty and set up buying insurance -- I ever do it step. I'll buy insurance for all bad as a result premiums go up for everyone else and that's who the end of the insurance company has been on board -- pull up third it's. They want government or insurance they want that mandate that government forces ever want to bother I don't go get a lot and -- they want to grow the business fought. Yeah course there and that there interest in their.

But they certainly don't want a public option as part of the bill do that because that then introduces a.

One part of it it did get back -- you can get out of if you if you gotta compete with government the government not. It's Dutch government and of the same regulation you ever -- enough that they this. If you at least implicitly subsidized -- not explicitly subsidized by taxpayers. That's close competition that they can live in the long term that are probably yes but I felt.

Of the -- did and it. I can't blame them for being excited though about expanding the business I mean if if some always proposing legislation requiring that all Americans listen to the radio in the morning. We would be happy and there's already a public option. You know.

Plug it -- what I. Of the insurance companies is the original version of it. Had they had a penalty that started at 750 dollar per person going up to 3800 dollar per family which could which would put it. Are they both penalties that I. Almost biblical book by their their product that they -- port but it. Well watered down in the senate finance committee to -- in the first hear the penalty is only 200 dollars and so they basically that's what. If you're only gonna penalize people ordered -- a lot of them are gonna buy insurance.

Sure every kid every kid under the -- duty to would say -- the hell -- and -- pay the 200 I'm not I'm not gonna pay a couple thousand health policy.

really -- talking about people that are that are really. The most important people when he talked about forced government insurance the these young healthy male who don't use any health care. The insurance companies wanna force the very things that absolutely both problem for the American human health care so government or insurance. For those particular people it is a big profit center for these guys. But if the mandate so that real is to let them end up losing them the regulation so what they're all -- they don't -- new premium revenue. And so that's why they just let it on the deal now it I think there's such -- powerful player so there will always be played out of approach this kind of get all the industry does -- I expect we'll see if you put back into that mandate I don't think they're they're trying to say.

So and so can you give us a prediction of what happens we have this watered down bill lot of auto finance committee yesterday. And this and it is more likely to pass watered down legislation because of that sixty vote threshold you describe for. They're getting a bill advanced and over on the house side there are equally likely to pass something with the public option. Those things are maybe untenable. Back and forth it's into water them down into some kind of conference committee compromised. What happens.

Well I think that if the Senate can manage to get something through.

At the end of the day -- be -- liberals won't make a lot of noise whatsoever going along with it because they they.

Want to avoid at all costs whatever the president put that in 93 when nothing more than that this. I think it for political reasons the most important thing for Democrats -- something like this -- do it.

So Nancy Pelosi will hold the issue. Shuffle through a piece of legislation without a public option or maybe with Olympia -- trigger as a compromise.

I think they'll try to get a response saying perhaps some kind of political coverage on the cheap imported through but I think ultimately if they can get something through the Senate that the pretty much the -- than --

Still love to felt driven as our guest is the policy director for patients first. Still what is it dead patients first is specifically advocating fought. We we have a pretty good idea what you're against the what is it debt that patients first would suggest that congress is the right way to go.

Well formal process standpoint of we thank you would be much better if patients -- a seat at the tables that were being negotiated by the Washington insider politician than you know this special interest lobbyists who thought well what -- the insurance this. -- patients -- blocked the shot formally exit.

They've been devastated the -- is at the very least we need to see in these pieces of legislation before they're voted on the need them enough time to understand them and out.

A more meaningful public debate and let them seemingly always changing the rules trying to force basement third. First substantive standpoint. We'd we'd like to see it performance if you buy your own health insurance you can use pretty tax dollars the same -- your lawyer and we'd like the competition between states so that you don't like the plan that are offered in New York State because there's two cents ever admitted they -- and we don't need or what have you. You could buy something from another state. Always -- medical malpractice reform which I think gave you a no brainer they're -- you know you're just. Inflation outlook and the -- the trial lawyers we haven't seen any of the democratic also far.

Although there's some of that type of things that we like to people who think if we got a that's right and the American people patients which is really all of us had. More if the cable.

nation's first dot com. Still last question before religion go -- with -- senate is handled blue dog congressmen who was sympathetic to the goals that you just outlined I'm just curious who wrote -- Has the you know has has divide in your opinion.

Well I think it's certainly see some of these leader on health care reform on the Republican side is that all the right stuff right now people like Jim dement. I'm from South Carolina all lions from Wisconsin. John chatted and John Pyle also marathon it just saying all the right stuff. Skeptical of the Republicans a little bit to be honest because they weren't house for so many years to make it not been positive -- of health care they ignored it. And now women would now that they're not the position really true that very thing they're starting to fail all the kinds of ideas that -- like they. I -- I hope that they are being serious and if they -- do get it back into our wolf these some of those things. Moved foreword by PayPal would be a little bit skeptical on lap. I think -- beat the people who really are going to be up in the air are gonna determine the outcome are you pointed out the blue dog Democrats and in the Democrats had big big majority they can do that if they wanna do it. It'll be democratically decide. For the most part what have.

It's a question how much fear they have based on the anxiety they know is in the marketplace right now and then based on the opera they sun August.

I think that's Obama and I think it's very. I think it's a question okay and do they want to put their constituents send them their voters from the people they also concerned about this first to do they want to do -- help but why doesn't look. The party loyalty first and that's a tough call but at the end of the day. You gotta hope that did not -- them understand that their job directly with the people back home and they know they already do that if for fear of getting on all -- and then the only.

Okay Phil -- policy director patients first the website join patients first dot com -- thank you for your time. Every -- appreciate you being here so there is says the outlook on where things are with this was a guy -- care plan. This guy knows his stuff and -- of the -- the other moving parts of the universe you don't necessarily have to buy into his package of ideas totally but. Seems to be very knowledgeable very illiterate -- I hope what people understand is that this is not about. Passing a specific piece of legislation. It's about passing a thousand pages. Of government take over and they don't. So what would they want that passed that's their Paramount goal the Democrats they want to take 70% of the economy that currently lies. Largely in the in the private sector and move it all into the public sector because. They've done such a good job screwing up the rest of they feel like they need the whole ball game ha ha -- wells sunk. Some do not then then of course let's compare and contrast -- have a guy like Joe Lieberman comes on that says hey wait a minute. Tell me they threw -- out of the party cut fuel -- the most ridiculous examples to show what good guys Democrats are afraid to throw him out.

Well they did do that how hyped idea I I appreciate the correction but nonetheless he brings what I would call centrist democratic point of view. It's the heat he's -- exactly the way you have talked exactly -- About having working on imagine him doing it on the edges we don't first of all it is complete. Political contrivance and incur an -- in an incredible concede. To suggest that there is a health -- Crisis. In the United States of America that we're it is so.

Overused elbow or something close to miraculous it today that the problem is the word crisis I don't think the problem is the words health care. It's about the affordability. Of health services that's the issue. And the trouble is any attacking of this should really be about how to we control the costs of healthcare. And that should precede any discussion of this grew up eventually got to be a discussion about government takeover OK we should first cut those costs like Barack Obama I -- original illustrator. Without what sacrificing quality without squelching innovation without -- discouraging people from entering the field those three things are huge colossal you cannot talk about one. Without encompassing at least. Those three and when you stop looking at those three talk about putting patients first. Patients say I want the innovation. I want a good supply goggles audacity. Then -- have you weighed against affordability if if nobody can afford it. Then you have a serious problem with betting is -- eighty or 85% of the American people are coveted one way or another minute --

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