Menino Email Troubles

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Now that is true southern retired and active coming you have done -- I'm. Patrick. This guy sounds like Archie bunkers so little -- at the so Miss America knows the administration isn't in a little scandal would you know hopefully it'll be enough to bring him down and keep the the voters -- to have a force --

Another four years on the cells but probably not because. And he's done this calculation to his long as he. Throws out those standard com lines of politicians like to use. That he figures he can slides -- for another term it's time for voters to get smart and stop being fooled by the games. So a -- steps down the main political operative for the Menino administration. On a temporary basis in order to let the -- blow everything he's not going to be back this is Susie election's over I suppose it depends upon how this investigation goes. I guess if he's not indicted I should say yeah he's not indicted on anything he's going to be back then of course you well.

He probably he probably would be I mean if there's no if there's no criminal culpability there's no reason why he should not be well if there's no criminal -- I don't know why I -- her respect of the new iPod because -- in the -- taxpayer -- There is plenty. Plenty of information in difference of opinion and policy in outlook between Mike clarity our young. Capable articulate -- City Council and Tom Menino who's been and in my opinion pretty successful may have for sixteen years. Now each of them have this strengths of each of them have their weaknesses in this planning for the voters of of Boston to choose from. I think at this point what we have here. It's a situation in which a guy who's in the middle of a lot of the policy and political decisions the mayor is the -- makes that's Michael can leave me. You're attributing to him. A forensic and computer skills that I do I doubt now I don't know. But I doubt they -- to -- much knows and I don't in ideas and god is obviously knows somebody with his responsibilities. Dwells upon the IT people when they changed how to drive -- got a disputed some new screen -- browser you think he dwells on our. Wow what an assumption no it says -- idea alien they -- assistant you know use radio we heard pop the cynicism a vote they're the ones image.

You you either don't understand computers at all yeah and a what a central role to play in daily life -- is like saying. Do you think. Do you need to worry about the tape recorder this recording all of those conversations that's what your point is like saying no it's not this no it's not convened a computer tracks every communication that he makes electronically through the day he knows emails are dangerous things that are subject to Freedom of Information Act requests -- newspapers are gonna come looking for them. I don't even understand. Why emails of politicians who may SN. Our should be -- made available to the media I think it's like saying the media solicitor on your phone conversations with the legislature changed the law you'd applaud that you know I think what -- young -- cowboy Joe -- that is why if -- so if the legislature changed the law -- on the retention of -- public records email I don't think that -- public records -- private communications. How and you function like I can imagine the four hour show and then the five day show IT and support you have noticed I guess -- life thank you need to be able how some privacy but the way the law exists just. Was. Trounced by the Menino administration deliberately it's Bob.

This is out of the CI that's where you and I -- you say deliberately as if this was a -- one. He's ten by don't know why did he started at my health yet he's admitted that he didn't double deleted emails every day and nobody does have -- out of every day nobody does not just when you double delete. Why don't know what doubled leading a double delete now CI -- not detect and the other computer guy and I just hit delete it goes away I hit loud no no and -- waste basket. And then you have you have to empty their way spell I never out of the way I -- I know worried about his federal investigators always -- are there but I don't think they're worried about that is the foolishness of the whole thing. I I believe now may be a forensic guy can I can Collison. You can do you can do quadruple the late it doesn't go away. There's a depends on how the country if their demands are backups were Kenny B obviously thought. That he had effectively eliminated the use because when the request came in to BBC says that he thought this -- these were retained automatically this this is I have doubled the -- exercise on his computer but there's a central exactly when the -- requested email stuff they gave them like 25 over the sixteen even so okay 16000 so this is all there are now so if you're right and then. They were deliberately obstructing the -- when they were questioning emails 6172666868. -- is the thing that gets your -- makes it possible and this bug -- by the way. Is the master manipulator every HL the thing that's unique about can he be to people talk about on school work what numbers and they say. He takes care of the most money new details himself and when we do got our hands on a couple of easy emails that's. -- that's what you see this -- you'd be good globe editorial board writing you that is the meanest thing anyone's ever said Thomas don't talk to -- like -- you attribute somebody's ability to do things and to pay attention to small retail Vieira lodged utility and occasionally a pretty specific recall about something that happened a couple of months or even a couple years ago you all of a sudden say encyclopedic knowledge and command and control of everything. People focus on priority since that -- important to them all to the boss just simulate citrus and unfocused I mean do you actually pay attention this front I can say he's sorry Jared -- and it took us just how you and I'm showing that Stephen is an -- and honesty so he's gonna win it'll never change this monitor.

I always say you know look we got a new monitor how -- cool you wouldn't even beyond good morning. Did you ever Steve -- what's gone out and.

Strom I albeit daily -- you -- got to lay up front that's why I don't know Menino and knows anything. I'm gonna give him a week but can you be Pete deliberately get this talk. Due to -- request and according were questioned the new computer. -- was right after this is really good point could political want to ask for a male -- at what was it sixteen.

That's sixteen and -- emails RS six week six month period up.

So -- now -- deliberately try to mislead the quote. They got Arctic can't stay out any immediate big time. And try to write -- get a new computer age yet slightly especially if you work hard all day every day it's just like getting into track. They're really assess damage than we actually kill troll.

So can you go back to the beginning of your -- even say why it is it is that you love Tom to death.

talk about it. You're gonna pop pop pop cap after you did talk about the globe getting all -- parents. All right thank you for the coliseum to include a well why Lloyd. Good morning my -- the New York -- it's not. AA do like good morning thank you sir -- what's going on.

They are much but I I got like -- mom -- what's wrong on this one I mean I mean new computer that come out like every week that there's no way cannot. EE MED cannot notice a new computer because you don't me. Definitely -- yet AME to beta means someone to gotta liberals so he's obviously -- you know heat up the start but cannot. You know that the name -- the right pick neediest now just like conniving you know did I think needy.

This is -- you have assembled the most powerful collection of evidence I've yet to hear the spin and -- half of the mental -- out there would do is that there was some there was some starters on this over the weekend and if I and I do the -- recollection now so people can call and correct the record of significant statement. But this isn't the story is over the weekend stated that can really had been complaining for awhile for a while. Multiple complaints don't about how slowest computer was now why you talk about that. I'd dot talks -- I don't notice it because again I'm not you have to use it to notice and I do use. I don't I don't use it enough so that I noticed the pace I still think it's a miracle that the stuff comes up the way it does on -- it doesn't know whether -- as. But you and John. He made multiple requests now going back -- Carla. I don't recall him saying that it was anything but a recent request. Holes to go back arrogant when it would have to go back and read it now and one of the story so maybe it was one of the comments said let's not confuse new computer. With changing the dot Hy drive which I guess is what controls. -- He's just not an IT -- is a political guy I'll grant you that it had an IT guy 861726666. Explain computers to Tom please mark your WRKO.

Does have warnings and you don't wanna the my usual -- and -- Lou I don't get any okay go ahead I thought it might be useful to explain how are filed we should actually work yeah and great.

Sure okay so are you talking about these double deletion.

Com what happens is when you are when you initially delete -- files safe from an email program it.

It goes is transcendent to waste basket or deleted files -- At that point it's recoverable trouble with this.

Well you know right after recovery just go into the folder -- they are right.

Well it did say Aaron you can you can write most clicked on -- you can recover they'll go back into the.

Now we're weren't like -- all right I'll plug right there right mouse click confined to try and outlook express which most people use -- when you click and delete it goes into the deleted folder so there -- no retrieval needed all you're doing is moving. The the listing of it into a different folder cut.

The point that matter is it's recoverable. The application now begun delete if you don't lead at.

second time from the deleted file folder.

Yeah I call that empty in the waste basket right.

Right the trial becomes black to put the -- and the operating system knows that that space that was occupied by that file now is now eligible to be overridden.

But there remains there until that happens is that we --

That's correct and that's why the forensics folks can go in -- but I would get forensic applications. And that provided the Iowa he'll be my act the deletion and has not yet been older written by new data they can recover.

How about in a big network system like in a government at City Hall. Wouldn't these things automatically be reported to permanent files on. Backup hard drive that would never be deleted mauled by a routine user.

It if they have the back up if they have third party backup software installed and that's what we how business is.

They should be doing that in accords I would say -- look I'm not the IT guy I'll grant you but. In accordance with state law which we were just argue about Todd disposed to keep these things for two years no matter what the evidentiary on no one evidentiary. It import might have a normal design of the system works god and yourself -- he'll let cantv quadruple the only that Mike would steal our -- to a central repository. Of all. When a federal subpoena comes in our and FO YA a freedom of information. A secretary state Gelman write any legitimate address the body says hey we want to check this out it has to be here and that's. We had his -- This that's when there's a mistake and now is this criminal culpability that's the argument Don make it. Tom Menino on Mike can I I don't know whether terminal well the way the way you should I care about give them Ian --

in the way they respond to these kinds of an -- I -- daily or anyone's name and -- pay more artists that -- but they work for the people -- yes -- so their job is to not -- cover -- language to avoid telling the -- their job -- to answer the questions -- sure they get -- and the mayor has said was it looks like it was an inadvertent mistake can -- assumed the armistice -- I want and I -- assume there was a -- I wanna talk about what -- because the secretary of state has said. Debt it is laughable. The lack of cooperation he's getting from City Hall. Galvin is make an investigation. And he says. That. Bill Galvin said the state supervisor of records who works in his office in gallons office. Was so fed up with -- Menino administration officials that he wrote them an email Friday. Calling their responses to the secretary of state insulting. And unacceptable. Mayor Menino says in his malicious. Slimy way. Com he also brushed aside flurries call for an independent investigation. Saying he was satisfied. With Galvin is ongoing effort to recover Kenny is deleting emails so. The mayor is satisfied that the secretary of state says that his office is responding in a way that is insulting and unacceptable and I know I don't have took you on and I won't Bartlett tied together. Menino is not confronted with such as secretary Galvin is statement you don't think he knows that -- frustrating you know as a read the paper the mayor I don't know that he does okay there each and every -- a guy who loves this city can navy doesn't he tell Lemerre what's importers the mayor just cut ribbons. And go to the buffets and that set eyes I assume the -- reasonably well and I would assume so Tim from corporation -- he supposedly running around all the time like put his fist through walls over what has written in the paper bottom so I assume he's fairly familiar with this stuff.

I complain about the -- if he is being sincere. Try to sound sincere they acknowledge that the secretary of state says -- responses been insulting and unacceptable say. I realize that the secretary of state says that he's appalled with how my office has responded therefore. I owe it to the people of the city of Boston. To go investigate further and find out what's wrong because my understanding was that we've been cooperating but clearly there's a disk and that's that's just on the leaderboard at the -- aren't you -- itself as a speech coach to Mayor -- he's responding to a -- like what -- where there's an opportunity for our hot hot hot -- improvement --

Greg's -- the world deserves the greatest outlook. Look for open discussion we -- Boston's talk station paid -- Suzuki doubled.

So the the pressure is starting. On Martha Coakley the attorney general. To. Go away and do an investigation because the secretary of state is not getting anywhere apparently with the union hill administration you read today's newspapers what to look into -- Gelman. Just about.

At the end of his rope he's expressing some exasperation and disappointment and says so hey I'm gonna have to make some decisions on this this is coming to ahead he's not gonna -- there's no question about it that Kelvin will not -- the wires that go into what's he's not he's not gonna allow people to say about him. That he's a sleeping -- he's he has the responsibility as the secretary of state public keeper of the wreckage on and so forth. In this requirement in the law this is this is where this is where Tom Menino has made -- big big mistake again. Whether the mayor himself was alert to it up but the people around somebody should have been -- to -- hate. The law in Massachusetts. Says retain these email records no matter what the significant or insignificant. But no less than two years that's the law. You would think then that YouTube UP UP of people say to the IT system make sure. Just make sure. I I as the mayor ray and nobody else on the team wants that crime inadvertently a follow up we don't have criminalist out and alleviated criminal enterprise the F so let's play it straight. Somebody did not set up that system -- so shame on them but. Here's where I go how how little off the rail from where where you. I don't assume moment. Criminal culpability with every inadvertent mistake and when there is criminal culpability Todd be the first to say get get out the new oops let's have the hanging. But can we have a a legitimate investigation and not one that's fueled by just. Our suspicions of people who republic office.

I I'm not suggesting this criminal culpability there's a -- what there is is political culpability that is. They with the responses I think if you were the mayor and he was brought to you that there was this problem that in violation of the law. Emails were being deleted by your number one guy -- update you would immediately. Open up the doors to whomever wanted to come investigate and say come walk. If I made a mistake followed up to a -- if one of my guys is being malicious. He should face the -- you don't play like little games aren't dodger responsibility.

If event happen to me and again hey -- I always say all these things are 20/20 hindsight and guess you know oftentimes you're looking forward not backwards but. If somebody's -- 82 looks like -- you're here you're administration Tom Finneran is all screwed up on us. I'm calling Galvin. I call BA GI Colin can leave the column my top team and say look. Within a week I want you guys to figure what kind of system we need and we'll put in -- kind of system went out screwing around what you're sure you also have to open up for the past and if if somebody was doing something wrong war if you guys blundered. Yeah you I expose yourself to the people let them see what's actually have a list of how you may let SI can. I agree in a political way it's cathartic it's cleansing it's impressive to the public they say Jesus as a straight to David Letterman got you say hey I made a mistake I screwed us as well I'm puzzled him -- yes so I'll -- along those lines come right out but he is the deal -- like -- if in fact they say is that. This is criminal culpability attached to what. To meet to -- but to my eyes thus far seems to be an inadvertent. An inadvertent. Pattern of -- if you can you -- they are so less worried about his so obsessed he takes win decks and cleans up his desk every day now there was a guy -- ought to leave DNA that's how self controversy on this guy anywhere without the state house. A very -- very capable -- He whack he pledged his desk he was so it was a neat nick goes and it is not -- is beyond a Nina is back -- they opened my clients and honesty.

It it sounds as it can be he has this obsession about clean desk there are some people who do some people don't my desk was a disaster scene it was -- it looked like a scene from Barack it was unbelievable because the volume of stuff that comes and is it if it kept kept up with. Then there were wakes to go up to half a 61726. Has a lot of bodies there's a hot hot hot.

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You know probably got bigger W wannabe. Ultimate hacker from our man of the people. -- what went. That -- back whenever that somebody did something to evolve with political rock chick. They -- always like quality grabs there there there -- broad goal and they weigh any option then they look good good good good good. This is criminal demolition at the regional why don't wouldn't bet they're going well can't be the best best are what they expect -- did not act Billick. Well it. It better bet they eight gave up. I -- strength clean and very -- played our computer and it didn't okay. We've got a -- We want to wake and front early deleting every email Sheila Bair didn't exist.

They -- enough Zabian Stewart is right in the beginning nick as they can't just it just makes my skin Bristol. He used the word criminal malicious so let's what the president Tom Menino the mania. Do you think Tom -- Not was. Should be in jail absolutely. And you analyze. What's your evidence of that since all of my lord you're basing that on.

Ed has been in power forever know why yet they put him in jail they idiot that all of the Filipino let them.

That's why they no way.

There pressure -- this -- said he is criminal malicious with three got to Menino using idiots to describe the voters in the city of Boston -- is your judgment always superior to either Menino is all the voters in Boston. Wendy your product when you finally say. They know about this guy they like about this guy that I don't see.

When they don't know re elect bill. Well I think -- there any appellate incident reported that the chimp bit wouldn't stop electing the same boat they bailed out every time.

Well Leo if you -- the -- criminals out of the sentence devalue I think you've got a good point that what we do have strong indications of is that when people hold power -- time they tend to get more malicious with the power and less concerned about the will of the people. So let's turn them all right a regular basis the way it was intended. And will get better representation and the.

In the voters have their chance to point made back the last segment -- clarity is a good candidate Tom Menino is gonna record to run on well I have time today and they like my clarity. -- as many river and this is a good legitimate race without this notion of finger point and -- chrome any criminal history has what -- as you sit there and a Rome. India planning to do something that you know is against the law this criminal does this notion of criminal and malicious behavior Tom Menino sits there and says analog -- and around for a while this is what I'm gonna stud doing are you kidding me the last thing he wants the last I -- me is a question raised by any -- about his integrys.

Okay but what happens is people get enough power we see this all the time look at John -- the senator from Nevada who's involved with a scandal now. Where he apparently engaged in grotesquely illegal behavior and malicious behavior in terms of his trust with the voters and that is he had an affair. With our staff member -- whose husband also works form. -- He gets a diet job with the lobbying firm and then the allegation is that he aggressively -- To find business for his employee whose wife he was screwing. He aggressively sought to find this is the whole thing in violation just strict new rules. They're revolving door policy that's -- can't go lobbied the guy you just resigned from free year alright. Now that kind of thing I've voters shrug their shoulders on its so comment and sold not a surprise that they just -- business as.

You know they shrug their shows on Debbie Harry Reid from the same state is on the verge of being thrown out he's the majority leader of the US senate he's likely to be thrown out voters don't shrug their shoulders -- they know Tom Menino thinks the voters in Boston Harry -- slugging of the shoulders about this election. -- like -- well that is not the case he's the sixteen year incumbent according to your viewer image. -- unstoppable unbeatable and all the rest that stuff he's got a serious fight on its hands and he knows it. Even without this email controversy but -- a legit controversy -- I'm not I don't messiness is -- I -- I just justices dismiss about it I think I'm just wants a military when the automatic assumption of everyone's a slime ball everybody's. -- everybody's corrupt it's not true.

and I believe you -- all I'm saying is the preponderance of the evidence. Would it lead al-Qaeda to common sense person to believe. That the vast majority of people care more about their own butts handed to the point where you say they only care about their own but they don't care about good policy. 6172666. Seats succeed mark good morning cheer NW -- with Tom and Todd.

The audio I don't know -- all right my thanks let's go. Another generation going to defend multiple end with this whole situation. I don't really know our -- are smoke from oil I don't agree that there are don't think is. Editing -- criminal well this -- but I also feel like. You know KV -- facility just sit on the computer all they have -- surely. I've heard some people say that you know they should know that you know -- Jarvis to be on the -- other job is to be on the community and talking to people on the -- about a computer all that. And our -- of his generation. Restore I'm gonna show you can attest to refer you to article I'm not certain other computer.

All right you know with the most computing.

If you're gonna let me -- generation I'm not in the best of -- but no -- and moral men and police we're fortunate generation. You know.

It's ideal holiday comedy and it doesn't know how to tune on a computer guy if he doesn't know -- to tell you know I live in.

It's only the biggest there's always a little bit none of the best you know then that computer.

to make that -- about a -- essential part of your life sending emails even some who pretends not to know anything about computers. Part of the reason he doesn't is because it got a Blackberry Denny's is always got a portable computer in his pocket that he's using all day long he just doesn't take -- as a computer. Because he's so advanced within any such an advanced piece of technology but the fact of the matter is these things are vital if you're Tom who suddenly gets elected mayor. And you find your.

Self doing emails back and forth there's nothing wrong with down. But they reveal the inner workings in the inner thinking is a -- your. Office is doing in a way that would make you self conscious you don't want him to be front page news self what you just self conscious is to watch -- yet. Every Preston and had not just public affairs is but it's particularly true for public officials. Every presidential looked at every email before they go -- say. What how would I feel if this is on the front page -- the Boston Globe tomorrow money above default. And that's how you compose. An email and that's not because Iraq -- something sinister it's just how revelatory it is.

Well so but by your elected official was a law that says every email has to be say yes and you know they can end up in the front -- I don't know what -- I don't know how they're supposed to function I don't know why they use emails it was me I'd settle some secret account. Ally and on Hotmail or Gmail and be doing my email and now I know what you do. The yellow legal pad. The yellow pad cannot be so well that can be subpoenaed Toobin you destroy the evidence -- is left it doesn't automatically auto backup -- I mean I -- I -- like I'm talking on both sides I'm not. I think they should Obey the law and I also think they have an obligation. To make sure that they're being forthright with the people in this kind of investigation is gone secretary of state is frustrated says he's not getting cooperation. The merry shrugging his shoulders and saying he thinks the secretary of State's doing a great job and that investigations going just five. There's bill about big space in there finally a globe editorial nudging my -- not more than -- and really pushing Martha Coakley aggressively get around it all there's they have get going to stop look and -- should -- stop looking the other way but. Got time to get into -- had time to get into it to -- and I suspect she's I -- she wants to start investigating himself and is looking for pressure from the globe to justify going insertion won't be accused of doing a relentless on everything I've got so she probably called the goal of selling you know -- please get. Can you do it on I think Wednesday would be to -- and adventure and then she calls Menino says. I -- held office on the Campbell the globe yes he can get and he what can I do all my friend on the.

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