The Public Option

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Good morning Tony have a cloudy Wednesday at frost fighter for many reasons one is that our great -- sire is off today that his -- Does that. Yeah but he says he'll be back with us tomorrow not a personal situation. I thought it was a sponsor who wanted to -- not being -- us how -- it could -- that -- who would -- the -- and business report with the Boston -- at this moment and if we did today it would have been brought to by the Boston Symphony Orchestra -- which by the way. Is one of the free media. Cultural institution Yemeni violence there's some guys are you should be immature and don't don't give me any AC DC axle stuff. Plus -- another thought a donation a plan and Boston's -- has got a strong argument you've got the pops now. You can hear -- of the -- I have invitations you remember I told audio. Rick -- would you -- say just give us a date -- well we all can go we could Dario we -- could -- Yeah you're encouraged to make economy when I talked about for example the espy and the great to a July 4 put on by the pops. Symphony Christmas -- Christmas a symphony hall of fabulous Tanglewood I -- put on notice from IBM he has -- they haven't come through Austin symphony orchestra good stuff in any event they are the sponsors of the Steve's site at this tireless Austin business Ronald which is being done today without. Steve -- I -- Steve's I was with as we would have probably previewed. Health -- discussion tonight. Public option because health -- areas said -- burden to us how many businesses large and small all across the country and the subordinate the president yesterday who has his circle residency if coming apart at the scenes become a political nightmare for him and and which I think -- this would be is. His legacy if you will. Early on he's gonna do health care legislation the first and only president of passage of significant reform so and so forth I think is caught up. In not the driver of the moment I think is lost sight of the ball.

The key to this -- in general I don't think Democrats care what is actually written in the bill that's why they wrote so much and it's so they're planning of trucks to one -- plenty of openings for to drive trucks through later but the one thing that's critical of their plans to socialize medicine is having a public option because the public option is. Is how you create a single Payer methadone once you have single -- that is the government doling out all the money for health care there in total control. All of while we yet and it's a new system in which the marketplace doesn't work to deliver the best quality in the world that we have operating right now instead. You have a system that's killed by the inertia of a bureaucracy. And since that's the cornerstone of the argument we thought we would ask people who support the public option only. No calls from normal sophisticated. Highly intelligent callers we want people who support the public option. To calling right now tell us why 617. 26666. -- do you think single Payer is where we should other lot of doctors a lot of people on the field if you believe not having single -- crazy. Let's hear the argument -- to get the other side of the story on the table 6173666860.

That this would this would actually be a civic contribution amount -- could have and a good discussion about it and people who were in favor the public option could help inform me new and fill in the blanks where they think we have -- so blind spots that's quite possible no question about it I've given a fair amount of thought I don't pretend to be an expert on health -- but I am very very worried. About public option Italian -- the president's press spokesman now mr. Gibbs has a lot to say about this on behalf of his boss and maybe we can hear. --

Maybe. In many no maybe not sometimes equipment just dumps at a critical moment now.

Critics like Mitch McConnell have to. And start listening to their constituents he also said which you didn't close that a lot of his constituents say it's time to do something about health care reform. They watch their premiums skyrocket -- small businesses are dropping coverage because they can't afford even though they wanna provide coverage for their employees. -- if we talked about this problem for decades. Now in his pocket given the red pill that would never happen. But the blue pill makes him skip all but a.

I'll talk about asset. I don't know what he said I was too distracted by the technical issues I was listening to the and says this of the -- girls -- but give me is out there. Trying to admit they've got a thread the needle tonight show tonight they've got to find a way. To coalesce support behind something and that's something is almost a public -- now we're not really committed to it though we may do it. That's what it's meant he's got problems in the -- key being the president he has problems within his own proud of the Democratic Party is is almost by definition to lodged a government to lodge to leave. You have file left. And you have right of center of people no question about it in the food to complain and it's very very difficult to work. Just and you can -- is making extremists think they're getting their way truth and then all the -- just so Barack starts off with this method uses of of subcontracting out the creation of legislation to the control of congress shall. Congress goes with the public option. Now they're back cannot fund and the -- Our calls are all furious because they want single Payer down. And that's how they got to get it well so how do you take something away when really the -- controlled now by the left wing of the party that is the problem there's no question about it that the body is controlled by the left Pelosi has a huge problem on our enhanced. Steny Hoyer who's I think the majority leader of the majority whip something like that. After -- rambunctious. Contentious town hall. And -- Hampshire's been receiving mail correspondents on -- also Milan says Rajiv public option not really necessity this is Nancy Pelosi is right job down there. And she herself goes on says you -- in contradiction to that. It's almost critical crucial that the house CAA. A legitimate serious -- about it I think -- vision I think she's saying that in conjunction with some kind of tactic she's worked out with the White House to try to hold liberals and I feel that -- represented. But you good guy bad guy perhaps where she's fighting for the liberal agenda inched the president's gonna tell her no parent and she's gonna I have to -- and then go back to our people say look I know -- I know we didn't betray the world. But the worst thing that had happened to us would be to get out of this year and not have something past we've got to compromise we've got to do it -- might be another fifteen years. Between the holy land of the Soviet Union coming -- I'd say it's. Can take place but Barack Obama's the guy who loves to be loved the vanity cannot be overstated I don't know if you cut this cynical NA Sunday in a globe editorial over the weekend I think goes to Sunday globe. The -- the Boston. School. Editorial. Page talked about. President Barack Obama's manatee but you and I have commented on that it's been obvious to a lot of people for a long long time he really actually thinks he is you know he has a calling he has to be the president of the United States. Isn't employment answer me this how is it that you run for congress it is skinny little -- whipped by more than eighty points. By a relatively obscure congressman. And can and conclude that you should be the president the United States now maybe Michelle whispers sweet nothings in his eerie site gives you should be there she says the opposite me -- Right up -- service -- nothing. The sun comes up the other law -- so the phone lines are wide open for you to advocates power option public are politics one setting up. 26660. Sixes shall we go on strike. Until somebody calls you know we shouldn't go on strike because -- have a question he hates that I I have no idea what is that among registered and the cut that coach he played from a Press Secretary Gibbs. Talking about -- in premiums escalating and businesses haven't -- Give up. Health insurance because they just can't afford it and obviously don't -- the run up and Freeman does something that we all talked about and why everybody individually and on behalf of our employers. If in fact we're a company that provides that being said in ER -- What other major. Cost drivers if food and gas end everything else is only gone up 102%. The F why is it that healthcare goes up 7891012. Sometimes fifteen press any. What's driving that.

Regulatory problems is none of competition between insurance companies so that needs to be opened up. I think defensive medicine is the biggest thing. That the whole system is permeated with doing procedures that don't need to be done to cover your but in case she gets sued or so you don't get sued and to me that's the dominant thing. And then all kinds of structural things like the way they approach. You -- you know there's been talk consider Massachusetts changing over to system work. You are actually -- being -- paid to take care of people rather than paid based on how many tests you do so -- financial incentive for doctors and hospitals is to do tests that's what they get paid for. They don't get paid so much for seeing you. But once you get there if they order tests they make a lot of money off those tests so there's structural things that are just obvious they're like no brainer severe run a business like this you look where the incentives are you know it's gonna be expensive.

What would do a little let's get to the defensive medicine one okay what if there's a reasonable disagreement with in the medical community. As to what -- put an appropriate treatment should be. And you can it be a doctor ups your particular treatment and you have a better outcome you -- a leg. Fall all the hospital. I'm just drew drew -- the hospital lobby is raids on the wrong list you're gonna get for a -- obviously place mats and grotesque -- the problem is when people are going through. Like -- ice tubular services Iceland some false strength and they egos on the possible they don't give an ice pack and save you got paint tomorrow call us they order a bank at about battery of tests through because you might have a concussion. He might have anyone I think kind of ahead -- have a guy remained in the early hours of back he's -- back the assumption is that they have to do every available test to cover their box on. A liability thing there's no reason you do an MRI and I got -- slip and fall when -- says is I twisted my back you give him ICM a couple of -- follow up with us tomorrow if it seems like it's -- and really what they should say is go to the tire pressure against the thing -- he'll be -- a couple weeks. We need to change that we got some callers here wanna argue against us I hope Roger -- and first good morning your NW RKO --

I -- about that then there's -- puppet but did little but I night. I had heard that mr. Obama got over twenty people as generate enough of them have been affected I wouldn't believe for a public prop.

Wallet. Really nobody's that's hard to -- obviously you know -- from anybody surprised that that. Good I didn't -- the saints 26 aides say hundred but I hadn't had this thing about no no no healthcare benefits.

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We're looking into the action that would be revolutionary story we're looking for people who are -- war. The public option Bob in New Hampshire you're on.

don't yeah. So our question I guess I'm an opinion and yes -- number I. I'm not a general public -- but you -- meant that I hear of that. I need more definition does that give you a couple -- but what we've got Medicare Medicaid and that's basically a single Payer system and not working well.

I guess I'd respond by saying this Medicare and Medicaid by definition there is no competition day sole providers. Lot of people fronts some people satisfied with the quality in the service other people frustrated and disappointed. I know this from the provide a prospective neither Medicaid. Not Medicare abroad. Pay a legitimate raid. To not provide a -- the docked at the nearest hospital the nursing home or whatever are you familiar with that issue short change you they should change you -- anyway. -- seventy cents on the dollar for every bill that they get so.

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So imagine Bob imagine if Medicare paying 70% on the dollar. -- control much okay say it was 65 cents on trying to be fair here. Imagine if they were paying every medical bill in the country what happens store health care.

He only got. Some problems. Bob out so extrapolate that out what happens to healthcare. I just said something crude -- to use that gets 63% from blue cross blue shield.

I try not secure for Medicaid and urged patience. -- only did -- need. Allergy pills you're lucky to get sixty.

What did they negotiate rates so they may have a -- blue cross were on certain things or however they do it -- they pay different rates.

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Trial lot of doctors will be -- and in favor of single -- they just wanna get away from the headache the administrative headache. In these kind of accusatory relationships that go back and forth that's -- does not covered well disposed of maniacs no we're only gonna give the FY instead. And that just drives a doctor crazy doctor wants to be a doctor doctor wants to heal the patient and doesn't want a deal with the other nonsensical but really bureaucracy whether -- private or public I don't understand that they must get -- fundamentally to the routines of what their main providers. Want them push -- by necessity they would have to become accustomed took the problem is one Medicaid and Medicare pay the out -- low rate which shall always be the fact on because there's always a revenue crisis there's always a spending issue that government has to be alert to that wanna spend and other areas they want a -- ball. In in things that they've already made a commitment to it gets offload it off onto the private sector but that doesn't mean that the private sector is -- still -- beyond that beyond that off -- isn't still experiencing. Big big run up in premiums and they worry about how the hell are we can sustain this 235 is out 617266. Exceeds sixty -- on the KP RN WRJ I had.

Get to -- still coming up a story that respect this topic is discussion called cost shift. The 6000. Dollars in Medicare Medicaid patient they 600 dollars. Beat the to make that out someplace else -- we check issued twelve -- quick story -- general practitioner actually -- patients. That's 18 W eighty that tradition. That Domenici RU TER until visitor 1 o'clock that morning. They general world Broderick inpatient. They do is proud. -- get rid in the early hours and thirty something and saw her get so later is. 2%. As a below book chasing well this could probably get paid on intersecting and deceit mrs. O'Toole. 1 o'clock the morning. And -- shot clock in the morning dramatic -- tonight the shot clock. Good because you only get 281 case for a hostile -- Medicare so okay so it is dictate what they did. Base that challenging dollars. And he quit. Now I don't think that that's the seventeen bucks a lecture expect to get out of bed for seventeen bucks. Get -- more -- seventy bucks carriage that pol. -- electric boat -- that took Amber's throughout. -- at 17 dollars at 1 o'clock boycotted your restaurant and time this year and expect -- o'clock look at that -- the posture it's the.

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He's a failed. -- this does speak up let's say well what I always say you the devalued prime minister of -- Audio that was that was one of the libraries and sound clips I ever heard in my own life anyway he's very impressed with the universal health care system the socialized medicine in England which was always held up Todd is the model I can remember -- I can remember in my father's talk about -- my dad actually believed in that that America should adopt the UK's system and -- he read the New York Times on a regular basis and it was probably influenced by that. And he just had this sense that over in Britain they had that they had -- right. As opposed to the system that we have the scariest thing he said though is so simple and obvious but when you throw around the lingo with an argument enough if you forget you forget what it actually means. But. He was being on the Sean Hannity show the other day and he if he made some statements I think are very profound in this -- know what is this is is that international -- On the Sean Hannity show he has taken apart another feature the British landscape the national health service a sacred cow. -- The health services a relic from another ridge likes the system they have in Cuba or North Korea and it's almost impossible to get rid of despite its huge waiting lists bad survival rates and placement of life and death decisions. In the hands of state bureaucracy does that summon up and that sums up really profoundly and in the most -- found out that Todd is this. Almost impossible. To get rid once because you do -- for right has as much as we see anxiety about change now is gonna be similar anxiety once a new system comes in nobody won -- disassociate from a.

When we make no mistake we we -- and if you know this has been the case for healthcare you can't get rid of it because so many people know getting that living out of you know -- is the biggest employer in the world after the Chinese -- on -- there's -- so very difficult thing for for British government to get rid of do I see you're going down arrow will look I am worried about almost.

That's especially -- when you're talking about a government job we see. In this country what happens -- government workers in the cozy relationship. They have with the Democratic Party and what that does to our electoral system 617266. Exceeds sixty however. What -- looking forward to sending out an APB for people who support the idea of a public options he can explain it. And we can have a balanced conversation Patrick good morning you're on with Tom and Todd WRKO.

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Yes just prototype and it's an all boys Michael and all you've got you have you might we also good. -- public auction like you can imagine. Let me just say this -- analysts always want to be over the past months of this particular subject to wait too many out of played -- almost depressed. But don't say this. What I do I also -- mostly private Princeton in my inner circle and I ask a question of all public. -- sources what's going on out there. I always find at the ones that don't -- Example would be Connecticut people who dedicate people who don't touch what I have it will -- The next group of people of people asserted that government jobs so steady job at county Georgia police fire away at the total -- that's but. The next option is of people have book from page accompanied IB MX -- who paid -- church. Don't touch this just crazy the ones who want it and of people can't afford it and just tons of assault ticket not --

Okay so explain why. If you're part of the 15% of the population that doesn't have health care why should the whole thing be revamped to put 15% on.

What are simple story simple. It's outrageously expensive -- you wouldn't know that. If you -- a dispute do we station solvent paint an elephant -- While Palin like no all -- know how -- you can tell -- why the -- why do you think the public option is important because you cannot -- the companies -- Increases of 51015 point 1% -- nothing you can do about it. And quietly so what you're science news doubles so it's unsustainable.

So public option in your mind would be soon have a stable pricey cheer -- okay if they if every year. The cost of the private insurers. Product goes up 510%. And the public auction stays stable assuming they start off even which isn't what they're suggesting to us. Well how long would it take before the private insurers go out of business. Okay so let's say they'll go out of business today you get your dream there's only one insurer. And that is the public up the government the United States government guy you want them control line.

Just private has. Hasn't done a hell of a good job -- national --

is a great conversation but the private limited the points you raised to me and taught in your initial re max. You indicated to -- a lot of friends who have the private in they had to win -- so you can't say that the prime. Premium and their co pays and deductibles on every yes you're the one who said that that they're not doing a very good job that I I guess what you mean is not health -- itself but BM a little delivered at a cost that people like you can afford that right. Okay how about a police just -- a subsidized program -- without having a public option the insurance companies are out they're delivering products. We've done this in the state of Massachusetts. We have said everybody has to have health care. The there's no public option they're all private insurance companies they went to the private insurance companies they said give us a lower rate for people not a lot of money and based on what your income is. You get reimbursements from the government to help pay for that health care so if you have financials -- had stated a perfectly just financial situation is such that UConn. Not -- you just don't make enough money there's a subsidy provided by the rest of us by the taxpayers.

I would probably your argument is I have never seen any evidence of this issue reliant on privacy issue -- companies to give you break it's okay. It took advantage yeah.

No less they would have the -- necessary -- there let's say the -- five. -- ensure resulted in -- let's say they're surprised they don't want the business right this is the business they respond and they put in a we will provide insurance said sentient so.

Great what some of the play you haven't seen that play around it.

Well you need to do a little messier -- Yes so let's get in touch with the connector connected health the Massachusetts Health Care connector ribbon critical evidence some aspects but I mean this is exactly where a guy like I should go this is great and more people -- who support the public option -- doesn't understand what the public option is. And likes the words of stuff because to him stuff to him public option means of government paying for his health care but there's no reason you need the public option. In order for the government to pay for your help. A Massachusetts you can get a paid for -- you phrased it perfectly whether it's ten -- 15% of the population people differ on that but why are we gonna upper end. The health care relationships and health care system for eighty to 85 maybe even 90%. Of the American people feel Barack. Well big majority of home or write what they did in terms of care and quality. 6172666. Seats succeed Patrick you're NW RK -- taught here.

welcome but well. Yes yeah. -- I myself I and it'll only on the public option. Myself in the army I -- if you'll just assure you out. -- doesn't bode well I don't -- did in the military. Well quite well it -- is for civilian population. Is that the military doesn't. Function of taking immediate older serviceable to my job then what happens in the military -- up or parachute jumper on my back or lose tonight. Then the medical system truly out of an orchard and no longer serviceable. It could cost savings and or they introduced to -- billions. If they no longer -- service and is greatly.

Same thing to it to the second degree into the third degree because of -- not gonna treat you failing and you are wearing the uniform and supposedly have the highest. Calling on our elected officials have they treat you as if gee that's only that's becoming a -- job. Then -- out of uniform here -- about life. What do you think is -- the ordinary civilian Italian become nothing but a number on a ledger -- and the burden fell out without a doubt. Well Madonna at her thanks thanks Leo mr. Patrick any RN WRQ good morning. -- Todd and Tom.

fact you guys is this basically not. No problem Al updating it was gov to greater -- that the guys. This -- thirty years isn't. Those are -- it -- over your analysis well let's step -- a whole lot of stuff but we'll just play a couple of things about public corruption. And why it might make certain about the search for at all. Re defied public option because I'm not sure what -- a public option -- that now. So I don't woke -- that something I've got some very good things about it a couple of negatives the second thing that here's a statistics and hopefully you'll get this but. Bakken play history also work if that's true for. -- because it's numbers first -- What you between 25 years old at 65 years old VC a position on average two point two times you're here. Between 65 and seventy it jumps to six point seven times a year between 7875. -- thirteen point four times here. And beyond 75 -- 47 times here. One argument I would make for a public option simply is this. I go and a lot of people local big picture is what you get 55. Getting the job in this economy is that that now.

And about to let the public option would be -- as described to us. Another insurer that would operate we will be set up by the federal government that would operate independently. Therefore all it is if there's telling the truth is another insurance company. And why do we need another insurance company that's run them by the federal government that will have a lower prices and undercut. The private insurers why you.

I don't think we should I think what we -- it is an expensive Medicare program that allows people look like at 55. They -- simple reason that would bring down Medicare cost. Because utilization between 55 and 65 which -- what what. The most was 65. And they've got more participants. That brings emblematic.

And I -- then why would have the brake line at 55 while they do is say you know -- all right let's take all the way down 25 because those -- the healthiest we'll make tons of money off this. Sources again is their idea like what they want it really is and in -- I love the statistics your provider -- because that's that it can answer it. Little emphasis it doesn't the meat and potatoes of healthcare as we. Age we're innocent we're gonna consume more and more health care dollars in the my own or someone else is good -- I'm consuming and I get all the.

And that brings it down might make sense except there's one thing guys think about it. Insurance companies there's our product. But they -- with a 25 to 55. Children across sir always good to do that Medicare was consuming those those people.

Yeah but we're in the opposite situation now with Medicare Medicare is a non sustainable model that's driving for the cliffs at high speed. Our politicians don't wanna tell the American people that so what they wanna do is find a way take money from other people to pay in the Medicare which is what you are describing you.

I would bet they've been doing that for forty years well when I got at a school in 74. The average the average dollars reward covered by insurance -- percent of possible budget. Did they get up around 40%. Guess who did the court shift. And essentially it was another piece of that total. Is that when you look at all the caught ship has been thrown -- private insurance that Medicare doesn't wanna pay yeah. Onto the fact. Of the billions and billions advocate for people that wrote up -- you -- the system support in double refused to -- open church.

Are you RAZRWIRE rated show and -- I wish we had time to dive into the mall we have a great idea of -- Look at stories people who are supportive of the public option will lay out your arguments please 6172666. Seats sixteen.

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Let us -- Behind other in the audience but Barack Obama proposes to finance his major health care overhaul by taking 500. Million dollars under Medicare everybody who is called has agreed to Medicare short changes artificially and deliberately consistently short changes what they -- to -- just can't take 500 billion dollars out of that system to pay for this. System that he proposed. This is absurd that is utterly absurd on its face. That's why health care has never been solved in this country it's complex it's expensive. And people hold onto outside chocolate ice goes it's good quality much because they're going after this comprehensive stuff if they were trying to fix the things that everybody can agree is a problem you work on the project giants had earlier this movie five I. Yeah confer I was back in the legislation be committee chair I don't understand we we're we're -- mod two in -- and at a -- would get it done we're looking for people who support the public cautioned Rick number 1 good morning --

The public that they -- the existing. System the most. -- health care delivery system. How can. -- be true free market. Exchange jay just show up that way. Start me up people and all the transaction. I would ensure that in order to consumer healthcare. You'll be free market.

it's a free market it's not a true free market but don't you give something up if you go to the single Payer. How do you deal with the fact the -- putting the government is the single Payer in control of the money flow of the health care system. To such an extent that they can decide what care exists and what doesn't and who gets paid lot of what money is available for research and what direction our whole system won't take.

Contract at the little black and white Sugar Bowl. Or. Is it a little over simplistic. Only hybrid would be the case scenario where. To provide some sort of thinking of -- and cheer and you can go yeah something's got up. The structural. -- cup is going out and I and -- you know up. Beyond what you want. Holy book -- chasing but I think about a whole concept of -- you don't. -- people they know you know I saw it all but the reality. You are only working margin people mostly -- our healthcare it actually consumed -- collapsed like. Tragedy can do you know EC -- the cost twice a lot of people are. You pulling.

We have really a question of who makes those decisions and how they're going to be made and it's true when we say we rationale we -- the families are comfortable. Is being done. So that they have some control over the decisions and they're not being taken advantage of their loved ones are being taken advantage of putting the government in charge. Yeah -- you will go back or call from a few minutes ago from the British system where. And man by the -- the stories out there on this now where people are feeling their being forced into dying programs in the British system. Because some bureaucrat decides they're dying to meet any budget that's what it's all about to meet a preset. Budget you must die. -- Rick you're on WR KRI.

Guys improvisation as well -- absolutely cannot let government control. And out of the you can actually able the biggest and skills. Where you look like -- if you put your. That is what you what you don't have you get some benefits but they're pretty door and not to change with two -- getting dressed like there's this young people. Change is constant in the right direction with a judgment as you well it's it just changes in the left side effects.

No good guideline is Rick that's what does that -- it should have been approached this comprehensive stuff is so -- thousand pages is a mass public option is there. A ball everywhere good.