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Thu, 3 Sep 2009|

Should Pop Warner playes being allowed to join the team after bein accused of attempted murder?

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  1. high school football14:40
  2. high school8:16
  3. City Council0:23
  4. global warming10:04
  5. Malden9:33
  6. Melrose6:23
  7. pre season football1:20
  8. pop Warner0:58, 14:47, 14:52
  9. crime wave0:53
  10. zero tolerance15:40

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Which should these there who got a couple of interesting scenes stories are you wanna do we separate layer on emerge I think our I think marriage and I think the audience is capable of following the ball here we have one -- cut this one. We don't we have one story coming out of -- Which would involve a proposal for a curfew. Children seventeen. Or younger would be put under some limitation in the City Council has got into the specifics yet. But the SE molding yourself -- up -- yeah exactly them all the city county commercial Malone also effectively and Iran are okay -- and so that one has an idea that Marvin is pursuing in response to a spate of shootings. In the in the city of moment. And the notion that somehow or other young people are caught up in violence and inappropriate behavior and if -- off the streets and -- under supervision. We can do today miles and can make a dent in this little mini crime wave that have been experiencing the other story comes out of -- And it involves the -- pop Warner team Todd. Several student several players. -- pop wanna players who were involved in a vicious beating Novo what about a 3032 year old immigrant the alleged like. Involved. It it in this alleged beating of a thirtieth 32 year old immigrant a couple of months ago. Playing. Pre season for pre season football showing up for practice. And some of them wearing GPS the ankle. My bracelet that you have to read have to weigh up which I objected. Was that was somebody could get hurt somebody could get her at that GPS monitor US attack on against your face continue to ultra low tackle -- But that's what the end result is beyond the point we're allowed to run the other stuff collateral -- yeah apply a I could be I think -- play coach. So a lot of controversy -- So that's funny stuff. -- that's right so there's a lot of controversy about whether these students the of these kids I think obviously kids inland dock in today's world should be who have been allowed to play. Or why is that match those of the standards of today we don't have any standards aren't. So oh good god this goes right back to the -- nearly a fight that we had exact are you gonna such common surrendered to what you think is dead and other lousy direct that's about. I so on trying to do I had no -- trying to get into aspire to something better then that's great idea should not be an example should they not be an example. Made by these -- pump water officials in by the way. The parents of these kids themselves who have been charged now I realize has been no finding yet and -- juvenile -- so let's get all those details out on the table. But. The allegations are serious the beating that was inflicted on this board guy. -- On July 22 and the people who have been chats with the -- and now they range in age from seven which just incomprehensible to me -- incomprehensible. From seven to fifteen those of the alleged. Assailants many people pounded this guy for all.

That's part of the problem I mean a disastrous -- thing we always used to autumn. We just automatically punish. Kids for being near bad behavior. And now we have volume other groups out there looking a file lawsuits for every seven year old who -- wrongly charged. Or wrongly treated in school for not being allowed into this class or whatever we've become very polarized in terms of the legal process driving a wedge. Into the ability of the adult world to hold power over children. This seems to me to step on one of those -- you have kids charged with a crime. That's all lead as happened is they've been charged -- on the front half of them might be guilty of this heinous act and a half of the might be. Unfairly charge simply because it's possible they were in the vicinity of the -- kids so should those kids lose their right to play football. Because they have -- who have been caught up in -- in as a net of an investigation that has the wrongly charged and that's what happens when you punish people. Who are charged now -- I'm arguing the other side I I think you always err on the side of cleanliness with especially with children. -- you want them to have to face responsibility for actions can you bend over backwards. In terms of protecting the larger group from the smaller group -- even if you're gonna commit wrongs. You know eventually they get straight now on the concerned -- so you obviously a position on this -- onerous that they my position is it's good to get them off the football all of you shouldn't be participating in anything that could be considered an opportunity for glory. Or for a reward. Or what have you these are special activities as school you -- they get your basic education and you go home don't -- fever if your alleged to have been involved with the speed.

I'm with his so far but ER I mean obviously the controversy. Here is going to be that it's an allegation that has not been proved says I've been conviction has not been a disposition. So he you know -- son wants to play football and he might have -- in the vicinity but did not participate and that in the end might be the ultimate. Judicial determination and he's lost the season of disciplined team work although good things that we see that come out of there.

NF -- in the past we always said in the greater good was served to by having that happen we live in -- time in which the rights of the individual or glorified. To Carl -- of the ridiculous -- you out there and and this is where advocates are I think -- on -- on behalf of the kids on solar convicted there's no reason not to come there. M let's say there was a teacher accused of molesting a child do we take this same argument to say he shouldn't be punished until he's found guilt.

Gonna be removed from the corporate classroom or whatever I mean this in these these these that's why this is these are tough things in a quote from this a -- things -- courtroom that tough tough things in the community the -- community apparently is. A divided and upset about -- some parents and what's going on. What's the just how come those three guys are those three kids over there -- GPS ankle monitor as well and that's the term and condition of the release those are all summer of my juvenile detention yeah -- some about finder six point 72666. Season when the curfew. From all the I -- idea is you like her I would like apparently. Keep the teenagers off the street let them be home. Chatting on their instant messenger. 6172666. He would succeed Anthony RW RKO Tom inside here.

So I Guatemala has voted the best big eleven. Yes I think by Melrose pay you know you know the problem. Is it's these topics just like we've been at a -- they want it all. The immigration why you -- your health care you can cure schools based you could cure so fault. Get all the scroll if you'll go what they are checked every part citizenship after that building the FB tomorrow. We'll.

what does that have to do anything to affect her. Her few in my all the other.

You would you go after the legal immigrants to get all of a lot of probably get. You'd get eight of -- checks status of people we are rested its citizens not this -- cure -- problems.

You're probably right -- anybody you're hater. 617266. Exceeds sixty. -- A twenty year old Everett man was shot in the way of artists -- in the seventh eleven of twenty year old these sandwich man who had a drug problem apparently was shot by police after structurally. Well stolen vehicles and -- well. I go to break all. Don't go to break we'll come right back to these topics.

of the topics. -- beating of an immigrant horrific vicious vicious injuries. And some of these kids are now on I guess. September are released from juvenile detention although like and one of the conditions would be to have to wear ankle -- well while their -- Yeah they've been practicing what the balloon pop -- the league officials say its full speed ahead will not a troubled by this do you think -- controversial have been led.

Do you think a school system has the right and our high school for its football crow program has the right to say that there are certain dividing lines between those who gets a -- those who don't and that if you're wearing an ankle bracelet. Maybe you've stepped over one of those lines are. Does the right of that child's who have every educational opportunity include tackling. Grunting and groaning and hanging around locker room with -- ankle bracelet and a 6172666860. Fenner is in favor letting everybody play. Because of a mind it or whether it was that old expression from the sixty.

Mind is terrible thing to ways I thought. I guess that's because that's the phrase that's the -- I'm. He -- I'm well. I laugh because you say MFA room letting everybody play in a released commented on this on a debate I'd -- I don't know I understand the anxiety in the concern and the message. The message that you wanna send to kids who abandoned in the involved in. Inappropriate indeed even criminal behavior. You don't want to tolerate you don't wanna condone it in any way but he has not been. The requisite. Judicial finding which are constitutional I don't know punishing kids we character you don't know. How about well Lowell before we gets the call 61726666. -- taking your calls the other topic. Is a curfew in -- for children and -- seventeen I read a statement it in the paper by. Malden city councilor John furlong used to chair of the public safety committee is the father of two teenagers and he says look I have reservations about a curfew. He says Donna hangs out with all the good kids including athletes and honors students they sometimes attend school games that end after 9 o'clock. If they wanna go out have a slice of pizza somewhere afterward I'm not gonna tell them they can't go that's that's an attentive parents that --

Seems to be irresponsible and amount of -- would never let a child guard for pizza. There are -- tough on our global warming it goes easy the issue always is all the more importantly the you know what to -- on sounds like auxiliary. -- You know what temperature there on those ovens and half half half half the planet cannot afford to have 700 degree ovens and I -- may be called -- 617 to -- that would be okay. 26 but they deliver 2666 C sixty -- your NW RQ good morning. -- veterinarian what's gone on.

I know what I'm beating you I have it but I think that and it may not put mr. chaotic question I am two point added they had not heard about you had the well it's still in its students in present in every way quite period. Is the creator and the way direct which I love that supported -- to make it's -- I look at play. I teach inner city it what I do they tried every day I -- the way of if any of them about this month but I bet -- did happen Mike -- and -- have very. I'm tired not that I'd I'd get the feeling. It's immediate about the I have I've I don't take it up about -- attacked the coach. Well what they've done about that I've got to penetrate or get pregnant immediate as -- made it. In.

Where do you went to the coach and did what there was and I construed as racist.

I welcome thank the planet and if you know like meaning it plays and a big article. Fire -- I that there are bitter and.

Cotton clouds playing hockey not do their homework assignments whatever. -- get to participate in the extra curricula thing you're saying you're looking for the help of the coach to help leverage the kid into being better at school.

like that it would. I would appreciate it I totally political with the act I would love -- smacked me how is an okay you mentioned the Reno about bush and yes get -- collected these very. You really hate to say that I don't think I think that. Meaning this is an athlete as -- unexpected and it's gonna that'd be AM.

Yeah they have lived and exalted status.

And that I think Chinese student but it then has done -- bit -- and get my message. It's like going -- heard.

For bad behavior colon.

Made I think Billy that it did that I when I graduated yet -- reprimanded they really couldn't -- back as. --

By the right thing you just. -- did the right thing but it is disgraceful when you think of that she's doing the right thing does not a single listener who disagree that she did the right thing. And yet she's reprimanded warned the -- threatened with litigation called racists all the usual. Nonsense that we put up within -- society why because parents. Absolutely inattentive in indifferent to this and I loves what he's making a tackle or catch a pass seem. But the -- it's a --

Amber and everybody has caved in this is an unbelievable. That the administrators and -- teachers fear. Parents comin' down -- and parents don't instill values they just want their kids to get what they want child six or 72666. See -- talking -- win. In which kids. Are playing football. With GPS devices on because they've been arrested in connection to a crime. No charges have been proven but they have been filed the un -- has been made -- us here -- WR did you.

I -- common -- would -- about the criminal. Of the victim of this crime.

When -- in a criminal status. Here illegally --

But that doesn't excuse -- so it because he violated a law does and then they'll allow me to you what Todd the vital all he's here illegally let's go beat the mob. We -- and you. Arabia be dictated by is somebody else's behavior may be in a self defense things somebody's -- at you aggressively yeah you can defend but just because he's here illegally. When you go out give the beating to every illegal.

I think he's just -- the points that the guy should be deported which he's have solar right. But I it's -- really relevant to this conversation I think Dodgers want to get the point meadowlands to Susan your NASA NW RKO.

Good morning good zoos and I'm hot I'd bet it's Eddie read it out went. It's a city any allowing -- and it batch of bad press and all the other day.

But is actually the public are. League officials that have not only imposed as standard. Are articulated to stand that hit the city I don't think the city would have any power whatsoever opponents. -- while I was private right. If it was the -- school fuel and high school football dvi then the city would have a what's your you know it's interesting how is gonna do when they asked the guy from pop Warner. What was gone and he said we're following the rules and regulations of pop Warner but we can't comment because her -- thing and if nobody knows the names of the miners like you can't comment on how -- exercising your policy with unnamed kids' show. Either just like everything thing.

Yes epic -- cobble up for a -- just disgraceful and update defamation checked into what I think it's horrible.

I thank you for voicing your opinion Susan that's what it's all about -- you're an accent WRKO.

They haven't they haven't tolerance policy against that racial epithets and Natalie so if -- just yelled at the band. Called a racial and they probably not be allowed to play this game beating them and they get up and now they're not black.

Another great points that I've read at grade point -- yeah he just hit a bullseye. -- just did an absolute bull's -- you know we knew how to gods that they be the zero tolerance stand and somehow or other about war. A -- content to apply an opposing player based upon his skin color -- religion or anything else. And that's appropriate I think that that that should be is gonna be that -- If he had talked some sexual ragtime Sherwood admits sexual harassment and then that would have been off the -- little little -- beating we can tell. This -- SN WRKO.

I like about this this good -- That I popped up football for sixteen years yeah. -- it that he believes China is the opportunity vehicle -- bet my oldest boy was gonna factor play animated half white and I said. Don't allow coach of like that rule and I told my rule out that -- the first school the second. And it took all of spirit. I would -- and I'm -- the result like these kids and everything else what was phenomenal and I just. Talk less light up to publicize its football.

You probably actually you're approach for some by the some of those kids to this day saying hey coach thanks appreciate it very very much what. Have done though his coach women accusation is the controversy of the way I see it. -- accusations. That have been made that's already. No proof yet. So no convictions so on and so forth. And so he you know -- that could be a son who was near the episode but -- to participate he's been accused in the fraud. And have it sounds like on -- and people's standards you're gonna keep them from playing the sport that he loves.

So I I believe it that's that's -- is something strapped to wait -- that I don't think it'll -- play I don't not a cowboy.

All right now now there and practice mode right now so presumably they're not involved in contact in which those who create the hazard. I'm inclined to agree with you and I think the coaches would be on board. But the the whole idea of what you do to instill values say this this is how the left is worked very hard over the past generation. To strip values out of our society and that his -- whatever point somebody's exercising discretion. Particularly having to do with a government entity. If this worries a school team in particular you would see them ready to pounce. They -- want to not allow anyone to make judgment calls that have to do with integrity and values and honor. And that takes away the abilities of the -- the ability of the adults to run the place and I think most of the problems we talk about in our society today. Have to do with the fact that the adults -- in charge anymore.

It's interesting -- I think the trend which of identified and I agree that it is is it's a troubling trend terrible terrible direction for -- society. I think trend probably started off as most do. With the best of intentions. Based upon troubling circumstances neglectful parents in different parents and child not being fed appropriately and not a child not being housed a closed appropriately. And the state because somebody says we have to step again. To intervene in this child's life because this child is gonna go off the rails the mother father said screw balls are just not death and so stats -- the best of intentions and and then all of a sudden you have an explosion. Literally an explosion in litigation on children's rights who dominates -- who gets to make the decision. And parents find themselves constantly parents and teachers find themselves constantly now on the defensive.

Does this mural -- doing battle today -- if you -- bring your children up -- Justin with values that -- you're instilling -- it's very difficult and you don't get the support used to get from places like school or pop -- or what have you it's like the whole society is -- you John you're on WRKO hey there.

They get more -- played -- great job. They look so I think you have to take it took up the nature of the issue here I mean these kids took the GPS ankle bracelet. Did and give us some buildings graffiti. They did the bicycle. Actually attacked and beat somebody. I'll -- up to be taken into -- office.

That is such a serious charge that you would come down a little harder on them for only being charged rather than convicted.

That's correct. -- just -- say you cannot play -- this is cleared up.

you know I support that I think you do to that I. Actually that's probably the simplest and most. He talked about the signal that is sent to the larger community and to other kids. As to what behaviors are encouraged what behaviors have been discouraged and prohibited. In the -- it to that this notion that somehow or other may -- as signals being sent that they can do didn't get away with a lot of things in his no. Oh. And there's no detriment that is suffer there's no loss of a privilege a loss of something that you really love that the deal.

Power structure of the society does not come down upon you mean instead -- and seeks to defend your right so I think kids get this. Twisted sense today that their rights are the Paramount thing to everything and we -- you know that's what they're being taught it's a big mistake. And we struggle with at school part of the reason education doesn't work as well as -- to is because it's much harder to manage -- true or --

Richard true actually true cages intimidated remember the first -- on this from the MR Moussa -- reboot rare athletes but part of the discipline was. Hey you're expected to do a B and -- before you can participate. She tries to leverage this is a good pitcher who call does a great teacher she sees this kid he's absent studio forty times Saturday off Friday absences not -- and homework assignments. She did you could do she gonna give up in just say this is a loser and I don't waste my time she gonna do that she was like that the other female version of mister chips you wanted to get involved in this show and his wife and salvage it. Get it back on a positive track a positive direction tries everything including go to the coach and the I would shut up and threatened -- so that's outrageous all this outrage is just the support wasn't there from the coach either the coach and it's all the parents -- screw ya that's right we're not gonna let this kid play out in -- he maintains is -- it's that's exactly it's all of the brought the lawsuit so resolve because you can -- on the field -- 6172666. CNN's Tom and -- 680 WR jail.