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I felt like give me a -- Omar and think I felt that give me a bucket and brush and what's that. Washed clothes are -- at a -- says -- sorry am I let's talk a little health care because that there is first off in the New York Times say they have an impartial assessment. Which I love in the New York Times is basically signed off on the idea. That you should not believe a word you're hearing from the president on whether. Private insurance plans are are gonna go away or not it's not very interesting. In our -- straight out its its interest in this talking about human behavior again you have two options when you look at history. And you see that history has something bad happened you wanna make sure you know. Screw up try people tend to either repeat that the human nature is to repeat history or. To react to a 180 degrees -- 180 degrees from repeating a mistake. Is making the mistake on the opposite side. Right the key is not to -- hundred -- just go 45 degrees or ninety degrees at that someone let -- pendulum swing all the way but a few 180 degrees you create the reverse. Problem that's as bad as the one you're trying to avoid extreme number one becomes extreme number two and extremes are never good so what's the -- model on health care reform disaster -- Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton trying to rewrite it Hillary brings everybody into private White House meetings. And they craft a plan and then they unveil -- expecting the world to embrace show politics doesn't work that way right got -- grease the times you have to have people feel sense of ownership.

You want them to feel a sense of pride a sense of authorship you certainly don't want to drop -- 1200 page bombshell on the -- just say this is it would met with the best and brightest with concocted our own version of utopia and we expect you to vote in favor this next Tuesday yeah most people with sales -- more people would say it Hillary he you know we like you but screw up.

Not like we only get them -- and had -- so there what is Barack do we does the opposite he brings everybody you know White House sees his eyes. I don't care what you do as -- as it looks like the Soviet Union. Our hope but and then congress goes out and writes what they have five different bills written right now yeah and there is no Obama plan now so Obama goes out their pitching his plan which doesn't exist there is no written.

Differences are just have a different version between the house and senate different approaches based upon three house subcommittees all of whom have a jurisdictional peace in this. And it's a mess so I give the times by the way a lot of credit for trying to do what I would call AEA a sensible thing but before you -- shouldn't the point is. Anything you say against the Obama plan -- is possibly true because all we have is a template. Bush always have his ideas -- and we'd know dollars debt as they finish -- anything could happen. And we know that in its implementation anything can happen because as we've talked about. You take this big piece of legislation you handed off to whatever kind of entity designed to implement it. They make up regulations this and the proof is in the product or is -- you put your finger right on something that's very very -- to keep her writing on the ability to. Implement this and further define it through regulations. In the gold Todd at least in the in the minds of some. Would be the past. Some version of health care reform knowing that once they get this ball over the goal line do anything then then all of that then they go back and tinker with Fed reform the reform as needed but once once the bridges is is blown up you crossed the river and blow up the bridge sure --

Like you wanna do a little construction project in Boston new figure -- two and a half billion dollars or so. And you. Put the legislation through and that's okay -- comes out. Cost twenty stories high you know in all throughout America and who cares if a billion dollars gets stolen by somebody along the way it worked that out and it's. In over the years. And that's. That's the fear here input so the New York Times -- assessment the big -- one of the big debates has been over whether. This thing is actual this public option that the White House's. Seems a 100% committed to. And liberals in congress seem -- present only a little liberals won't leave what will not do healthcare -- opponent and you have to say why the -- why is started public option so important in my mind. It's clear we've got the history all laid out that they see the public option as a stealth. Single -- repair and as you obviously can't propose and it has a single there's an intermediate step to Central Asia and that exactly. So that the New York Times say does there assessment. And the assessment basically concludes. Shore this is this is open to interpretation. Anything can happen here's the assessment of on. Dallas Salisbury the president of the Employee Benefit Research Institute -- non partisan private group. The president and the Democrats in congress are saying what they would like. To have happen not what is actually written in any law there is no loss saying those private insurance companies have to keep bond offering the plans are offering. They're promises may not be literally true. Because your health plan may change and your doctor may longer no longer accept your assurance that in other words the president is fabricating when he says. If you like your doctor you you will be able to keep your doctor. Period if you like your health plan annually able to keep your health plan period. No one will take it away no matter what it says the president United States that's a lot he cannot say that. And know that it is true he's saying that as a sales pitch. Not as eight up policy promise.

Know that he's a very effective very very effective salesman however people will probably take some some people will take some reassurance from his words it's interesting to think through and to read this times. Article because they point out that private insurance. Will no longer be able to add benefits once you into -- locked -- so what did they make no accommodation whatsoever for the potential of medical innovation. The new procedure comes along and who. Medical device a new drug or Biotech Q pat you get that cannot be done. Nor could you would roll people additional people. So you're in the -- and existence as an insurer rom. Uninsured in your plan but -- plant can add people here is David if it's like being on the Brian Todd -- cut the buying you're gonna die. You're gonna -- you can't possibly thrive under those circumstances you can't add benefits nor can you -- enroll additional people. So for all intents and purposes I mean this is this is -- in my opinion this tells the private insurers Kemper insurance comes yet. Take this pill and you know it's easy it.

It's a poison to continue -- and then there's the the other debate has been raging the last couple weeks is whether the language in the legislation that would allow you to visit a doctor for end of life planning and four. -- having a living will are like that whether that actually means a government to would be putting pressure on YouTube. To opt out of living to our show it's safe to cut costs. That debate has been at a fever pitch. With Democrats furious over the gross misrepresentation. That that -- the idea that. Anything in the plan would encourage people to retire earlier save money truck goes against the whole empathy compassion model that Democrats pushing a regular basis but Newt Gingrich is out there. Saying guess what. That's exactly what this plan represented careless and the same thing.

Go -- going to build the only thing in the -- is exactly what's in the bill in the did you respond that the only thing in the bill. Is that would allow Medicare to pay for what they say is voluntary counseling on the end of life issues. I think people are very concerned we start talking about cost controls. That a bureaucracy we will we don't message you know asking us to trust the government none at all of the Obama administration about the government. They're asking us this -- do we believe that the government has to be trusted. We know people is that routinely what you're gonna have to make decisions you have to decide. Communal standards historically. Is a very dangerous concept it's not in the bill and but the -- some of those thousand pages of setting up mechanisms at such a 45 different agencies that has all sorts of panels. You're asking us to trust turning power over the government. When they're clearly are people in America who believe and in establishing euthanasia. Including selective standards.

Then I think that's actually compelling argument that -- 45 different. Agencies are gonna be set up to oversee the implementation of -- there may there's no way to know. What a thousand pages have anything will turn into when you have 45 new panels to implement.

Todd this hold euthanasia topic is explosive it's politically explosive it's actually in my opinion a long overdue. Conversation. We -- statistics that range anywhere from. 20%. Of health care to a size 40%. Of health -- outlays -- expenditures. I made in the last year of life. Now nobody wants to have this conversation because of talk but I have in my own mind by a memory recollection. To politicians I think each of them would Democrats. Who talked about this one was John -- locally. And the other one was a guy named Richard Lamm who was a former governor I believe of Colorado Wyoming Colorado and basically each of them said in Iran which is it about my spouse substitute might he have a duty to die. It's you know you get time has come and gone the flower has blossomed and now you. Withering on the rise now would there be a different DOD to die based on political affiliations how tough tough tough.

Sarah Palin on her FaceBook page yesterday. And I think this Friday night actually said. If -- America I know and love is not one in which my parents -- my baby with Down syndrome -- to stand in front of Obama's -- panel. So as bureaucrats can decide based on the subjective. Judgment of their level of productivity in society. Where they are worthy of health care such a system is downright evil. Now as you know mister speaker the president called that outlandish and he said what what what she put up -- doctors Zeke Emanuel said. Is not to Zeke Emanuel who's the chief adviser the president brother of the chief of staff. Send you writing is not the chief health care adviser he's written three articles between 1996 and 2008. Include. Some of those phrase -- those new standards those phrases appear nowhere. I inhaled the only thing below me just explain -- to.

Then that is ambitious single Payer gonna that is a great back before the daily news comes down to whether you trust. The government. To implement these big. It it's just a big law rowand that they -- yes it is up you lost. Grab that you throw it in the -- and you see -- from -- don't know what they're creating it's such a big monster. That nobody knows how it's gonna end up but if you look at the instincts of this administration if you look at the instincts of congress. And you look at the -- six of government to grow itself and to dominate our lives more all the -- why are not all these accusations. More accurate than than otherwise why are these fears. More legitimate. Then otherwise.

That's why this exchange between Stephanopoulos and in Gingrich is so much so and really so entertaining and in many many ways informative. Two stuff and off Stephanopoulos this point. There is not specific mention of IG you know the euthanasia judgment the death panel so on and so forth. That is not in the but taught it is absolutely positively unavoidable. When Obama says this bill is gonna be deficit neutral. By the way 40% of the cost is gonna come from Medicare savings. Every doctor a nurse who have called us every hospital exact who's -- tells us not as we get screwed already 67 cents on the dollar. They're gonna pay for 40% of this with Medicare savings. Then when you're looking at his huge expenditure -- end of life you cannot sidestep -- any.

6172666. Seats succeed John in Dorchester your NW RKO.

Good morning gentlemen good morning John I have to point to make this it's why -- quote now national health care. From 1930 to 1965. The growth rate of longevity that this -- the average American all sexes. Races include -- in the 65 from 1960 by 22005. It only gained ten years. Now Medicare was introduced in 1965. And that reduction of 40% in the -- of -- is here. Second on -- like to make is. We've only seen the tip of the iceberg when we see an announcement every now and and some medic here most of the people. So the idea of -- little larger bureaucracy. Put in place how are they gonna control that if they can't control it.

Thought both good points and thank you for making him John 6172666860. Do you trust that the government. To employ it in it it -- to implement a thousand pages of whatever and that's really what it is one ever doubt spend more money on it. It's it's -- amount of money we can borrow and the doubt we can run up. Just go for it's true in -- good morning -- red states.

But champs Turkey -- what that the speaker is saying you are at least appreciate it should artsy commando which only child I want them. You said they know that you exactly what the speak was describing is exactly what can happen.

As Stephanopoulos is doing his job he's smart guy he's everywhere every day rolling out.

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hit it but Steven finish it probably also be talked and Gingrich in limbo are a whole bunch of other people as well good I like Stephanopoulos. But I bet that you. I mean then you're going with the Stephanopoulos us Sarah Palin approach here you think that. Because my first reaction when I hear pale and write like that it's -- why did -- use words like evil when you talk that harshly. What you're doing is you're alienating people who won't hear what your underlying messages. I agree having have a little time to absorb what she and Gingrich said I agree with them. But I in makes me a little nervous to have them using that language Gerri are you a totally on board with what Sarah Palin Newt Gingrich are saying.

important what I. I read and studied this crowd what -- let one thing it's what all it got all you people -- like it. To decide who lives quote I is what procedure is will be used to that she is hoping not.

All right Steve thank you for the call 6172666. Seats sixty are you scared of just to the idea of government having the power. That this health care legislation represents its -- 680 WRKO.

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This healthcare legislation shows such utter trust in the idea of turning everything over to big government. That I think any accusation against it is fair because we really have no idea and those pushing it really have no idea what the result of it will be he also have.

Experience you have experience in the the system in the UK in low in literally even the even his goofy groupers the World Health Organization points out that. Cure cancer patient in the UK your chances of living or search certain. For certain period of time. Thorough diminished compared to Americans and an amnesty are now do we spend a lot of money sure we do that's because we get excellent care I mean -- He pat make that point as simple as it is as obvious that don't.

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Now demonic the money given odd that's up PL is light peer over the card debt it'll ask you what -- like insurance. It was that they call -- get insurance would anybody buy it from public should buy into the not.

To pretty simple point it's a good point for example the language does play a big role in a but I think government should should go to a higher standard that. You know life insurance is say something people -- to on sell. The government shouldn't be selling -- they should be telling us what the issues -- and letting us decide in our governments become a big marketing organization and the president is a market tier who goes out and misrepresents what that is actually going on in order to get his side to win it is something wrong about the whole concept.

Yeah I mean I think most people are very comfortable talking to their doctors about about these issues particularly end of life issues now not all doctors particularly skillful with. You always hear the phrase bedside manners and good bedside manner and not. But doctors are more more comfortable and open talking about hospice and other Pettitte of approaches to end of life issues. I AM very very troubled by the idea were some government tribunal some -- yeah. Deciding whether this is an efficient use of our resources because in the anti his how works in the UK. Healthcare is decided I would describe it -- ass backwards they decide what they're going to spend. And that's hit the dollars and dictate the treatment.

So okay we're gonna spend accent that's an annual but I actually sounds reasonable annual eat you think so well you don't spend more money than -- and -- you don't wanna spend more money than you have about how how then do you respond when. People command as they age with cancer of the need to hear that you want a government program. Yeah that's how historic OK you say we let accelerate all which is why I don't want to us why aren't I don't always the Susan -- good morning your NWR kill Thomas taught here.

I think it's an Oreo -- let out on our network we got a week. And -- you sound like such torture pleases. Not -- and children but I think they're. Integration incorrect. Please clarify -- so one thing like it's -- we definitely have to compete optical. Troop. Okay doesn't mean we need -- socialized medicine I'm not kidding socialized medicine I hadn't heard and I it you're. A couple of things can -- I think can't crack. Week which he can -- We actually we looked at the early and actually. It can't kick it. Number one -- not -- on the American people have got to talk about and look like here in hot that'll. Population. I agree though it occurred more of this threat the -- We actually think people. It's not gonna be put out I'm like what Susan and peaked at. Nickel -- into the unit. -- leading hospitals. What happened only at this. Police say -- actually -- it I feel like Lockheed. Is he going to get better. Like a good quality of life he might be right determination already applied. It's not gonna be walking. Up and -- get real react. You talk about it well in a vegetative state. It educated state in elderly people that link out to the conclusion that we it's not.

making wonderful points and actually they're good for two reasons one is because this is what health -- faces on -- than -- health care -- doctors and nurses on a regular basis -- these decisions to win the people's -- but on the other -- it's an argument about why you don't wanna create a huge government bureaucracy -- the whole --

Get everybody -- what happens -- situation on the hospital's. Ethics committee. We need we got certain cases. Only -- totally caught up but don't try. But we -- a -- The Trout you caught and taken into account cultural police -- actual beliefs. It's a problem in American people do not wanna try it it is optional --

Ya know yeah -- Susan before we let -- go this a great call I'm glad you listen and ended just even at -- so much already to the program. However do you find more and more families comfortable with the idea -- Hospitals hospice palliative care sort of letting go all that -- data now let PH we cannot expect miracles -- life won't have that type of value that they always attack the.

In this regard the control -- we hope to come up now now this certainly I am completely for a public health it's gonna tell you why. Because we need some away could be. Insurance company has not -- in the car on their own and don't tell me -- these CEOs and not making big money.

Susan I think you're making a mistake in logic in that news. What Larry and I got money here and respond to this point. What you're doing is taking the stem Eli thank -- falling into the Democrats trap the stimuli of of the issues that Hammond discuss of costs that need to be contained. All of policy changes in regulation the need to be made. And you're saying that that we haven't even worse situation it's either we stay with a we have or throw the baby out with the bath water I think we can fix the health care system. Well -- socializing.

Yes why. Didn't have to lord sent because. It administrate -- got a locking up.

as the Democrats both times when they've chosen to attack this they have gone socialist model.

And try to -- Democrat -- Republican polite. I buy all take it all the money for pain -- to promote connector which I.

OK but that's international auto that's it that's a different issue Susan it is a great call back information about -- and we -- being faced with a false choice. Between the extreme we have now screwed up things that don't get Fed's next extra and the other extreme in which a 180 degrees away if you -- 108 here is a way. You've created the opposite degree of prob.

That's why Susan ministers are good points but it I've got to our contest your statement about the -- insurance could companies in the profits and obscene profits in the salaries and all the rest of it. If in fact it was all about profits bottom line. They would obviously be driving at this huge huge -- end of life bill they would be driving and it ruthlessly. They don't -- back away from it why because the issue it's because the American public we still have. We're still around a lot of different factors just cultural reasons why people will not on officially terminate now you cannot officially extend life as well and we know that have a.

She's making a good point that this goes on everyday in hospitals we talked about this before doctors and nurses make these decisions about any people's lives and it's all below the radar. And to -- she's saying we need to bring up above board and have people talk about it but the danger is if you bring it above board. -- you'll have -- socialists like Barack Obama jumping insane or just some the government should be handling and and and by the that would be a thousand times worse then I'd much rather have Susan making that decision for whether I -- died. Then some bureaucracy in Washington.

And in this end of life debate Todd is a nice exclamation point on but what about all the other healthcare from our children and grandchildren to ourselves and whether it's orthopedic whether it's this whether it's that. I don't like again I don't position on this is very very simple. I don't want government bureaucrats make and his decisions about my children. My spouse need my colleagues my friends seal it with pretty capable people. On our route in -- we have skin in the game my favorite phrase -- solid us we'll make even better decisions to.

Even Gloucester W mark you good morning Steve. I got these -- good morning how -- They'd they'd be up be cool. Aid but he can't -- back on. All local -- spot. So what are we can take it -- no light at the end the American people out but there are. But tell you don't -- at. American just in this. -- well they got it all -- typically. Are out. Here how ought. We are we cannot be shoot week.

I don't think now is your point I think I think she's saying we have been dealt with them. Now we need.

I don't feel about it. Hillary you're just it is a Guitar Hero -- children. -- the government will do.

Did I I I took these same map flavor if you will from for a from the -- that you -- it but I got to ask your question. How would you respond how do you think guy healthcare system should deal with. Those individuals into -- families who can't come to grips with the fact that. And modest shows now arriving you got somebody effectively Abu should be allowed to die are you better stay right -- and his family hasn't processed yet exactly well. I was fighting amongst -- how we deal with this -- are very different idea I think the system we have now is better -- getting back to the larger issue fall for the trap the Democrats have set a trap. Because. A few people go through stop signs they want eliminate driver's licenses I mean that's the magnitude of the silliness. Of going from we have regulatory issues that need to be straightened out in in terms of health care and therefore let's socialize the whole thing that -- know there is no connection there nobody is established. A logical connection between the problems we want assault. And the solutions being offered by the Democrats and that's the scary part here. And need in -- good morning your NW RKO. Hey -- good morning.

It was after the comment by me and I think it's SN and that it had a discussion. At the end of someone's life. Action before the end of -- that want to institute is I've heard that recently that if you wrote a if in fact thinking about you know which will and it's still and family make decisions like I mean we have sort of -- thing.

Well that's about women will also that's about planning to make sure you're not leaving random people -- random forces in control of your demise.

have to do with this whole situation of having some sort of counseling. Talk about people -- and the like counseling after sixteen years old. There's. -- end of life issues. Anyone who has had a loved one who -- reached that point -- Normally and any need counseling. And I'd like -- usually animal stepped up there together and make the decision. As to what has happened in terms of of those who well we. Handle that but there are other -- a lot. Many many ways before it even reached the situation. Is a lot of weight and a lot of fraud would probably be eliminated.

I think so Tom thinks everything's perfect with a system that's how he feels about most systems file I assume that many. Mozilla but if I don't have been an accurate accusations there has excellent seven. Six -- sixty do you trust the government to take a thousand page plan which is effectively. -- do whatever you want licensed you'd trust the government to take this and implemented in a way that matches up with a lead the president tell hear anybody else tells him.

One or more hours and hours seven days a week minus of course commercial breaks and silly little -- was pleased to JD don't want you -- PO. And.

The bill in the digital responded that the only thing in the bill that would allow Medicare to pay for what they say is voluntary counseling on end of life issues. I think people are very concerned restrict sudden cost controls. -- bureaucracy we knew we don't -- you know asking us to trust the government.

I figured I needed to anybody realized what happened fully happy situation on the hospital. Ethics committee. We need and we discussed certain cases. Elite that elite -- the site. But we caught the -- Well I think car and if that's probably American people do not want it bought it they'd think it's got its optional.

His death option. Not if you're in the health care system. Ten or if you're alive death probably isn't optional there is not yet and a half coming soon now and how do you feel about this debate it seems to me that the Republican in the conservative argument is more honest one here because that Democrats are making it seem like they actually know what they're creating and I don't think they know. Yeah side each side has -- great liberty avenue greater liberty they liberty is being taken by anyone who tells you they know what's this health care show planned to present ya -- they went Barack Obama says. Absolutely not period you've got to keep your carnage it's a water are sure a lot of crap -- are very -- Good morning -- at.

Protect like all Islam. I had to -- point to make the first wonder really short. Health care in America -- used to be a good not a right. He has to get back to that -- I'm number one -- you -- you know it is a right. Ha ha -- IQ I am I personally lived what nurse Susan I was talking about earlier you were the patient on the table now brain activity. You'll find out. Question my mom went through. And don't like -- passed away last year but five years ago. Her on general doctor told my brother to basically. -- Because her life wasn't worth whether he wanted to pull the -- But -- a lot of you know she's.

whose function you. She was conscious and is it doing well -- I don't -- and what was his argument.

She had breast cancer you know and she had a for a little while but around like -- said she was okay. She and we basically fired -- we left the hospital and non she'll have four more years before she passed away last June.

While Andy and you would put in in terms of the light that for years. That pay a reasonable quality of life in your judgment and of the judgment you brother Neil. Now okay it's a conversation. She wasn't all those draws in -- where does that -- you in conclusion -- on what should happen with the system.

Well according to I nurse shot solution they're not -- I -- you know just pull apart Limbaugh and you know letter down and and that's insane that this is what we're up again.

Well I think what she was saying is that right now those kind. She's -- I know it. Taught I know I -- I thought I understand we -- but I think her argument was that people aren't aware. The nurses and doctors make those decisions every day in -- Miami --

Watching you right. -- don't you know do -- at the panels that she was talking.

would you rather have those panels being made in its kind of a marketplace. Level. Or would you rather have it turned over a government bureaucracy.

Are sort the third option. Total fairly well -- fairly make the decision.

We're certainly doing your job Leo when you and your brother came to the final moments the final days for your wife did you I'm sorry of the imam imam I apologize. Did you folks have a Deanna I would do not resuscitate a watery and how do you approach and what would you decision.

Well I mean. You know what you finally castaways you know quote we get out hospice at the end okay our last. I mean I -- sad. You know there's not -- earlier in all Shiite control. I like it this is what will happen in this is bill for their 200 HR 3200. In this -- For Detroit fired thus -- and very. These people have control over Rio no matter what your family -- no matter how much money you can't.

It's a powerful argument you make you know yelling we here you thank you for making its desire rejoins us -- accepted two weeks away errors and then will. Return to more this conversation. Files you want to talk radio where person. You know.