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It's and I think it's fair I mean he's known as having something of a prickly personality can be can be difficult times. -- would this kind of situation have been. What would this have put him over the.

that's always describe no -- about the fact that we're dealing with a prickly individual. Listen to this will be he can be difficult but that's not look you know -- no problem just ask you and you -- to -- the Emily -- and Emily is very very -- I'm surprised she actually said that because -- trying to -- she pro -- around and everybody said that because that's what I heard from people took them listen to this gates said when he was approached by the officer in the house the white officer and he said instinctively. I knew I was not to step outside. Instinctive instinctively annualized like he was and they -- outside MB -- percent he's someone doing racial profiling.

And I am outraged I mean I think if had a pretty surface that can a rescue on what seemed striker. It's looks like trumped up -- support the important thing to remember up. Respect to work around the office had just said is that the charge does that mean. Reason for turning up. He quickly ascertain you know was not the case he showed his ID.

All we don't know how quickly that was ascertain in the original reason for being called a house may -- doesn't matter anymore based on the reactions. Of the professor once he gets a -- more from the this is from yesterday's. Washington Post. Instinctively I knew I was not to step outside gates said describing the offers -- tone. As threatening. All right now these are decisions gates is making that I think point to his own bigotry these in his own prejudice -- subjective assessments on his pride and by the way if in fact you'd think the cop. He is coming on an aggressive racial hostile manner that the times when to get tough for them right it's jumbos bottles -- that's the time when you want to get outside why would you wanna be -- where the other guys are where there are where the public does public is they. -- other cops and it is that the world is out this guy's a world expert and he seems to be a little dizzy I don't know which is not surprising from a professor. Gates said the policeman who was in his thirties and several inches taller so he's intimidated right -- in and another prejudice on the part of gates. Followed him into his kitchen where gates retrieved his identification of and quote I was thinking this is ridiculous but I'm going to show him I I. In this guy is going to get out of my house gates said. This guy had this this is the really -- this shows you the thinking of the black. Side of this -- the racial profiling side of this the bigotry of those who dance all the time. On this nerve of the racial divide in our country and turn it into an industry for themselves quote from gates again. This guy had this whole narrative in his head black guy breaking in and -- The -- so assumption is being made on the other side not by the clock now it's being made by the guys trying to -- talk and that's why he's.

Triple digits -- talking about it narrative that's in one's head. And get your exactly right you're exactly right gates has his own narrative and by the way they listened closely to -- out is that the quote you just read. I went into the kitchen to get the idea -- followed me. Basic police work you don't let the person -- site -- because what's in the kitchen just I don't know it's. You know chocolate nuts coffee in the right. To make sure that you. Hopefully a law abiding citizen properly the.

On the part one more and no go to the calls -- gates said he began to ask the officer at this question repeatedly. I said who are you I want your name and badge number I got angry. While. Case closed is that he's confessed to his bigotry. And he's confessed it was better now what else joining. Well Jackson Iraq's very good morning -- WRKO about a Jack.

Testament that the Pope who opened book government people that they don't know -- but -- that this is will we know president. Well well well our embassy if it'd been abruptly opened. Protecting and serving interest executed dual. And -- had to keep open the dual because that is only an implication that case should be throughout. -- well that a typical white but but so every cut anywhere that caught with a drop situation. It would have -- the white supremacy intended.

And by some of those but. Just a Jackson. Jackson do you have been trained to be a big. You have been trained to do abandon. This is bigotry what you're --

want to visit and thank you got really have a paycheck this country left I don't know.

And you can't leave it behind you because it's not comment from the white people anymore the bigotry comes from the black community and its supporters.

I will will be looked really develop it over to the world -- Just -- the governor.

I'd be do things Jackson -- I'm sympathetic to what you're saying I'd be realistic however. -- a little -- Jack Jackson c'mon we listen -- let me finish okay if I got to 300 years but what black people -- gone through in this country I'd be sensitive myself but I'd also be sensible. And what a cop comes in. As I -- bio children then no rub or the other direction. And make sure you accommodate the police opposite question though yelling at this cubes.

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Angry adolescent.

We can't criticize our our -- We know absorbed into the tip put an indoor so glad duplication of Internet based there was can use attitude what would you do.

While the -- I. All the indications are the attitude and those numbers coming from the press a professor -- showing the attitude you never show attitude with objects -- you know that.

It can take your support. The carpet on bid chairman of the global put back.

Don't OK fine I -- Jackson win that argument about that let me ask you this Jackson when US stop by a police office. How do you act do you say hey I got 300 years of -- GM -- gives you idea goes screwing your. I'm -- idea double plays so you say Saudi you do what -- what have you taught your children how to -- retarded children to react.

Get a bit quiet accorded to a until you don't partly we've done to abandon our rights. We've got to implement our right direct challenge.

Well we have right they have they have the right to ask for an identification okay and to make sure that you are properly then why would you give them attitude when they have that right. Initially.

Because trust they thought you -- to -- Lebanese noted Kate told them. But don't believe especially that they're protected but he's still.

Nine he was thought he was already inside since he was already inside outside the house when I got -- read the story at Jackson Nina you -- mouth -- and demonstrate your bigotry. Let's go to Mohammed next you're on WR -- how many of morning.

good morning Bob it would welcome our part -- Every Cambridge up. Ever put it out in Cambridge should not present prevent it is website why has it been more because -- demanded a prominent speeding he just -- isn't yet. --

Who the Mariners know the -- may have -- I theater ceremony at they might have met. There what why would they know -- profession it's we have them in the mail which we are in police offices promote them to a whole series of things -- how to professor.

That beside the point issued no press there of 1000 it is.

No they're not going to cocktail parties and go -- don't see it well maybe maybe I should but apparently opposite Crowley did not is does that make officer Crowley. --

Also crowded who have refused to make you -- refused to to to respond to -- property.

Mohammed can you deal with at least the story line that actually went on -- nobody has what you -- nobody has suggested that the police officer knows where there -- the professor -- none of us with them on -- that obvious model that has no bearing on what I'm saying Mohammed. The point is you're ignoring the story that went on nobody is claiming that the the cop was ignoring the fact that he knew the professor. You're fabricating that whole thing out of your imagination.

Yeah that would that would have a good every occasion yeah -- import that one -- your Q do not get bill.

never got there is never gonna pardon -- I don't like prop was pretending not to know the professor that's true. I don't have as good imagination as you.

I don't see you need to try to -- our great.

Tell me what chemicals two years I'll give it a shot. And I'm good what are -- how many there are there any other professors that comes to mind because we have a group of great a bunch of great colleges and universities. Anyone at Boston College or MIT -- that we should know. The camera at the cash call or edit and Portia know everybody and MI tension answered all the Bart cops -- the -- College professors they also another student's mama.

And amber called the evidence is about propagate. And -- understood and never happen.

Well that's true and if the professor had not been belligerent when the cops -- Mohammed it wouldn't have. John good morning -- NW RKO.

The product want to John. Mind tomorrow and I am simply amazed that they. That there has not more people calling. Mr. gates spirits a nation. At -- Big I professional obviously has a bias and the -- teaching young children to. That by. That's --

Have been an education from -- nursery school. On through graduate degrees it is a liberally biased. Organization an institution. And they hand down this kind of don't you see everybody in the elite communities jumping up and announcing this proves. That racial bias is still alive in America this proves a profiling is still a lot though it could be. Then as we learn about it there might be evidence of that but as of yet there's no evidence that any profiling went on at all. And yet they're all jumping up and down saying profiling how do you explain that Benjamin in Belmont good morning to you sir.

I greetings are -- more reasons Benjamin thank you for. Good good yeah arch quiet at a question actually I -- And mr. gates preferred security and Eddie and quite India. The officer into his residence at the time and Asperger's I'd be.

It's not explained exactly how the officer -- and if he just walked in if the door was wide open and he strolled in on his own. Whether he knocked on the door it sounds like the door must've been open and the and the cop went in but that's unclear.

Okay. Yet that there's some concern there just in terms of Islam. You are right as the -- and unless they have a warrant and being granted it is no need pro war right and I'm.

If you're in -- call was made -- saying we see a very circumstances is what it's called in the law and he respects there's no existence -- comes that you can not doing a search of the premises. You responding to a call from a citizen that The Who says eight to people on the porch blah blah blah Rick and -- good morning.

I think you're. Gonna be all right the religious topic actually it's true that your color. A it to a fault so clearly ought a lot. Racial lines that -- collegiate actually. But I I would say Detroit usually life somewhere in the middle of the two extremes that all it turns out and let's face it it is operating at any point in denying. That at some of black man is steamed or seeing ourselves into -- There's a white man unfortunately here America people probably do in fact draw different conclusions. But. It does sound like the professor can a little indignant and and being escalated but -- enough blame to go out. Both hard.

I think you're probably right -- and that and that's what was good about the statement that was issued by the Cambridge police department yesterday where they said -- both sides admit this was not their best day in court had should have prevailed. Okay but in it would it seems to me the tie goes to the cops when you're the one who's mouthing off to the cops. 680 WRK or talk about racism in America which exists mostly in the mind of liberals it seems because they talk about all the time even when it's not visible. They find that they discovered they rooted out and they face. All situations -- bigotry and prejudice you know when it comes to potential racial conflict.

it -- are rows of the she's the executive director of the LC IO the ACLU the American Civil Liberties Union why you'll -- again today to plan church but -- rose writes that minimum should be fooled or deceived by the election of Barack Obama is -- that would go on to this kind of post race just a -- than a hundred million people voted for -- a well then they hit and that's George. Not. Well the of them like enough to get mostly Cheney policies and so that's sure that -- they -- I. Let's go right to Carol wrote she's good enough to join us courage from the ACLU welcomed -- and Tommy had taken. I happen to talk to take Carol.

Back but the RKL Obama's libertarians all government friend.

They. Good out of our audience down you know that so I -- do you think it's a good time to speak truth to power when you're being arrested how.

You know whether it whether it -- it's still not a crime that would be protected. C and you know we hope that our lead opposite of that and I think that. Bartlett going on here is inspected it that we need to understand that when -- from the man at the -- and got all these not a good time to get him -- but again it's still not. A principal.

Okay so we haven't had an America we have a new headline. Skip gates unwise ACLU and.

And I like it. -- get a better story here.

You're I think. The point of -- blog as as really that we're not gonna racial society is some people might just and I think that's stupid but you know it. And that created. Separately we're not a great artists -- talked about. An important issue talked about and it -- part of our side are we thought that there are more like I think we need to talk about it in a way that. And not necessarily.

Carol do you see this situation in which the African American community has a stake in continuing. The you know the raw -- the open -- that has been so characteristic of the dialogue over the past just 2345. Decades.

Your honor there might -- historical. Situation that we're all living in Lebanon and whether -- here as well issues. What there's -- And that conduct or leap over reaction he would also think. Mop up again that he's suggesting it is surely. You know about right. Back in -- and -- the -- as an wanted to. Our answer it. -- out for a response and try to estimate on -- it all probably responsible. They're trying to that.

Yeah USA I'm sorry officer here's my ID please sell me anything I do to help.

But that when he hit that you're welcome. How often so for that but it's unclear and certainly not it's unclear -- at what point.

Each thing happened and you know what you're doing is choosing sides in terms or whose story line your believing but what he has.

I don't know -- America -- bizarre in her response bizarre. -- same interview she said she had to learn so much about the case as of yet so she couldn't comment further so his rather curious how she jumped automatically on the race thing. What concerns me is you talked about the history. And I'm not here to deny the history my problem is. I'm afraid that people like you who were obsessed over what happened thirty years ago or a hundred years ago. Won't let -- of -- even though that moment doesn't exist anymore. And professor writes I think did the same thing professor gates all -- are a white cop is there who he assumes as a racist.

Yup I'll understand the great great -- out that it does to our criminal justice system from amount of the call. Not that I -- chart it's everything. About it look at the 911 call. A few people in the entertainment. Breaking into that is black man.

but to Karol we gonna wear that black men are not which you want to want to actually raise the amount that the correct. Carly go to Carol we got to college only -- smart -- hot. The cops -- he is what happens the person who takes the call from the citizen is trained to ask. What's the but what's the color of the sky is there any particular law than what you do color idealism can you describe the assailants though. The dispatcher that calls out took -- cop Carol Rosen says -- it's two black eyes on the front porch of Portillo episode black guy Carol you are race baiting and being vacated by suggesting that the caller was being bigoted in identifying them as being black it would be negligent not to say that black.

It too bigoted to deny that -- is not a factor to our side.

I'm looking for evidence of race being a factor in this case other than the assumption by professor gates that he was being dealt with and raised.

Happening because I'm black and they -- weapons and -- not. Clearly clearly race as a factor whether it's the only.

You don't think it's possible for white item is okay if you don't think IQ people the topping get arrested two. I don't I don't think they arrested him for that reason in isolation I think there was a pattern cost well according to a report. But but that wasn't the only behavior that might wanna do is -- it was disorderly kinda nice she was yelling disrupt the outside and all of them racist.

What they're calling disorderly conduct is but he said he is that the because I'm a black.

Note that was said earlier. That was -- earlier in the house they said he was being disorderly outside the house later. Yeah there's a series of events it's on an isolated one cents.

I I don't think any. Person would deny there's an element of race into copy interact.

I I don't -- IC. I see class bias here. 900%. Class bias. Carol let me ask a question about Cambridge police training Cambridge police -- anyway what are you saying.

I don't break even beyond that the clock -- I think it'd yeah.

I can UC racism I can -- class by sun is qualified to seek class biased as you -- seeing racial bias and by the way -- a long history. Of class bias in the world.

Yes I think they're classified as well -- right behind. The thing happening here but if we are unwilling to acknowledge. The racial element bike thing it's that it's great it even talk about the vehicle.

I'm only talking about it I'm tired of everybody in the power structure saying that. This rooms that racial profiling is still alive this pro racism.

It's open on outlet in a look at in the context of other cases like I talk about that really recently you're not cute it's a great thing I can hear or the fact that Cambridge fired at a police -- review -- after she claimed races.

Well -- And that's what I wanted to get to Carol I wanted to get -- the recent incidents that you mentioned in the Op Ed but let's go right focused in on Cambridge police department. What Ciara assessment of the a sensitivity training the exposure that this guy's a police sides have been on the -- a long time have a university police before returned the Cambridge -- Might read it may call mean I even if you want -- Mike Reid is. This guy's been exposed to all sorts of sensitivity training on gender sexual orientation and race those three would be huge categories in Cambridge. MIA had nigh eve that it it's succumb to that conclusion.

Well I think the Cambridge police there certainly support their -- but I think it. Look at what's happening chambers at city manager. Fired the head of the anger -- or. Attaches to set -- issued by the claim discrimination. If you want a four point five million dollar judgment there.

If you're argument -- he bastion of liberalism there's more bigotry than anywhere else I'd be inclined to agree with them. -- I think it's worse. I think people like you were out there spewing this stuff are the perpetrators of the racial divide if we can get rid of liberalism I don't think that comes it'll stop.

Well hi hi -- I didn't I don't it was talking a better rate is you know I think we need to acknowledge -- the other browse the congress.

You know I I I don't acknowledge it but current -- which -- run around saying that somebody who is mouthing off to a cop who what when the cop is trying to do his job history is just talking truth to power. Is bizarrely off track with or reality.

I think that the -- that the power state the power and casting compensated everything else. If they can't handle somebody else in them for their bats in their identification. Or -- the problem.

I I you know I'd agree with you -- on that point. If I'm a cop and somebody says I hate you know badge number please opposite Finneran has the number blah blah blah and just start. Any continue -- professionalism -- not be troubled by that and I don't think I'd be ruffled I don't think I'd get aggravated by that to the sunamerica fertilizer is being condescending in the telling you -- racist and you have to you in -- to man I think you have got to -- desire to subs that hear there's a professionalism. We should expect. I'm not say professor crap I mean sides and probably did not exhibited that's that's -- my statement about this a general observation. Even with the obnoxious citizen. And their Arab -- citizens are -- really should be going the extra mile but you and I have talked about. These citizen has to be gone the extra mile as well this never even should have amounted to an arrest. But somebody escalated in my senses. Gates had a chip on shall almost from moment one.

Out of power to arrest the police officer and we stopped at the powers given that. We also need to exercise questions they asked how are they behind them and that's important and the fact that the Cambridge city right aren't doesn't help. A well functioning during review board is the problem I think. That's a look at in terms of state -- power I think they're factor here rate agreement is that there factors that clap your I think it. You know we need to eat in the context of the other I talked about an -- that it doesn't isolated there's a pattern. -- racial profile and aren't probably competition in our policing I think in Wimbledon I'm going to talk about other huge other. We do we got the job I think we can live. Toward greater understanding and more effective policing if we're willing to talk about these things. Leo.

I think I agree with that completely so stopped writing things like that's not disorderly conduct that --

We'll answer that one opportunity -- rose thank you from the rebel -- he is a good split the AF LCI you know you're going oh yeah that's what you really want is that I'd. I have on our Carol. All right -- reaction you're gonna Osbourne and if she has a wacky and laugh at herself on and sign -- I like that I know she made a couple of points in their initiative I'm not I don't wanna not have the.

Six I think the conversation is good -- product here but. I think we have to look at I think liberals really have to look at their hearts. The ones who -- appear automatically spewing bigotry here they don't see the bigotry apparently on the part of somebody who automatically reacts. When they see a white -- and they see somebody's out to get them. And who's who's mean and nasty and who's a racist thought they would also say that those assumptions that is being read you this is pre operating another person. Based on the color of their skin I dream of the day in this country. In which we view one another based on the contents of -- character rather than the color of skin and I think liberal stand in the way of that what an original. It's something I wrote a long time. Just -- back I was born on January -- and -- top. What a frightening thought of by a lot of national Holliday and Todd vibrant princess on 7666060. We go from one -- to another Carroll -- NW RQ atomic Todd.

I'd -- was hobeika tactic Carolina asked her. Is she noticed someone breaking into our route command are on black girl why wouldn't she -- black or -- of course that would be. And what about that -- the other way around at what the lack pop. Why are perfect what we have asked shop in hot yeah.

Cannot be racist because they are not the power structure that's who we -- told.

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It -- good golf -- what I was saying the other Carroll from the ACLU is that there's this historical perspective that they so. Further for the people mean sue you for example it's always fifty years ago. It they can't like all of Russia and I I think there are people living different moments in the same experience you know so professor gates I think is living. I am a fighter for black right choice he is the civil rights movement so let's -- was the 1960s.

And that's why the great irony is with the election of Barack Obama and which white America says look we've been talent you folks IE African or African Americans for years and years and years. With beyond it when are gonna vote for shop -- Jackson because they're crazy but give us a credible. Articulate impressive candidate where that in part because we want or race. This terrible blemish we want to try to be a pot of the racial of the blemish. There of people. Japan skip gates might be one of them who have such an economic vested. Interest. In the continuation. That tensions wrought under revision describe say you're Catholic or you won't let go this is how the bread is.

And -- economic interest but also -- it also again it always look in the mirror and they see the fighter for I mean here is is skip gates the hero of all of that the whole notion of racial profiling -- claims he's the expert and over Harvard. And yet he does know enough to be nice when the cops come to help Obama because that's what the cops arrive in order to help it. Of -- at every four.

If -- the parent of have a student I say hey look if you take any courses on African American history don't take professor gates because he's too dumb to know what they held a -- how the world functions 6172666868. Finneran says gates too dumb to -- our.

Well Dan McCarty and ACLU -- he's not -- pop -- your WRU.

Nobody did say they don't want it it it up there weren't caught that -- still but it is still photos of the -- And -- the that -- they seemed to be in charge is and very large. African American or black American one and a little lower on the front steps you know lower you'd move the crowd back is -- as they're bringing out for perfect -- day. Now. I mean how can happen that be racism while we don't.

We don't know what the black -- role was and we don't even know -- on the same forces Cambridge -- Harvard police were on the scene as well. So who knows -- there's another still photograph -- that's worth looking for law. In this is in which I've described gates is in full throated raw I mean you can tell front page of the girl he is agitated about it while the IE although he's got a smile on the globe as even he is even more instructive and -- he ate it contradicts directly. Directly his statement that he had a bronchial infection it was not. Did not have the capacity to yell what he is doing enough -- still photo I saw he is nothing but. Full throated raw.