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Stole from the -- confused. Welcome to Thursday. It's 680 WRKO. Todd -- Thomas off nobody filling in it was -- with them O'Leary that was she did a good job. Which is nodding his head coach who was very impressed having him earlier in the -- wasn't that impressed you so much -- Whacko liberal yeah I was -- nice surprise. She's actually a rash.

All human being who knew these crazy. If there are we talking rationing of health care are you -- against it will nobody's for the idea or no that's not true is that you are for the idea. Well you don't you think that somebody who's nine years old. It shouldn't be sucking down. A ridiculous amount to three months or 44 months of health care. They should they be crippling the the the the health care system. That's the situation we're in right now to only want any health care system to be making judgments. About whether. The the money being spent his rational. And that's what rationing is all about I don't know how we avoid rationing but what I think the code word of rationing represents. Is the idea that a bureaucrat is making the decision that somebody sitting in Washington. Decides whether you get terror not. That's what I think scarce -- true or false Heidi feel about rationing. Big right up in the New York Times the -- Peter Singer who live for a long time in Australia by the way which has this kind of universal. Health care system. And now he says you know this is the reality of health care for me. I'd just don't wanna see the government controlling all these dollars. I don't wanna see the government controlling a system that is so vital to us because government means mediocrity. Government means decisions made for political reasons. IE ethanol. Right ethanol is their because of the I -- primary. Not because ethanol it was a good decision. We don't want health care mistakes made the same way by bureaucrats. Who are buckling to pressure from politicians. Who care about getting reelected not about good policy. Good policy doesn't driver elections right special interest groups driver elections rationing. Is going to be. It well is a code word now for bureaucrats sitting in Washington making decisions based on political pressure from congressman. Not not based on what's the best policy right is that your fair rationing 61726668. Succeeds Stephen Lawrence good morning your NW RKO.

Good morning just you know like Eric oh era call it. You know we really need to what rationing in looking at these people on the geriatric -- not. Ike is that in at least seven act meant in 92 year old people. Like seven medication. That no one had I'm passing out like 8000 calls were the act meant that I really effective lean mean and so. Well advice about comic act and it doesn't work what's happening at the -- just economic cardiac met on top of two can calm and patient don't work they just one on.

And is that because. Their chicken of withdrawing the first one.

You know I don't want -- as well on the as they do just that much attention. They have to pay that much attention and -- don't know that that much attention. Chip oh great again. On. The -- on.

So what's your what's your message and what's the slow business.

We need to stock. Market about it did not want this. Medication -- we stop treating you know. Not infections we need to cut down on medication intake for all -- It oh. -- We need to talk to these companies these companies such -- like on bridges and you know we need to -- people on the -- and -- millions of all of these are not that none of them money out. The government or Medicare and Medicaid and Medicare and archer property. Up to them coming back out the treatment they're not are out there -- not -- an apartment and not iron up. Nurse practitioner of money go up -- coming back now.

Okay and are are you arguing for rationing are you saying we need to ration these drugs.

We we need to start looking -- rationing we do need to cut the Obama on the medication that we got taking. Mr. wilder I can all a lot of our patients can be cured just by -- off.

A lot of the diseases can our -- our lifestyle diseases I agree with you on that Steve and I don't know what we do with that whole problem but we do have. We -- a huge huge problem with everybody. Pop and pills like there are actually fixing something 617. 2666868. The question is rationing. We fear -- we don't want bureaucrats doing it but don't we need Jaffe in Salem good morning to you you're NW RKO Thomas --

Thanks that last column budgeted one a person who likes all these drugs being -- the gum company. So that's is making money and had -- it but let's not forget too that. All these Laden's the president and congress are gonna be exempt from having to take part in this AM. Her mom having to -- pay taxes on it is the unions. They're pushing toward the unions not being taxed on these health benefits not that not everyone else just the unions are exempt from it yeah themselves yeah. So it's what all of that and yelled thank Obama will when he didn't seem in the world and everything -- pay more taxes while they're more hold.

about on the rationing question. What is the answer to this.

Well -- doctors are going to that lets call -- public good doctor to being got a crappy in the eighty's cult of the problem blowing espionage just add more drug that one drug I can see that happening and it probably. Making more money to do on it.

While -- in. I know it's crappy doctors it's a system that gives us that kind of medical care. The doctors wanted to do the best thing -- yet defined by and crushed by. The system. Right this is one of my big fierce to of universal health care is we take that which years. And we fix in in a place permanently with the full support of the government how scary is that threat and the filling your NW RQ Todd here.

States. I got two comments. I've had five strokes. And I just over serious battle with cancer 66 years old. What's going to happen to me next time they gonna -- me. Not only got that it is such a good plan. Why isn't congress getting on. And I don't think they're making a bigger point about that one.

While you're right to congress should obliges itself to be on whatever the new thing is that they invent I I agree with you on that. You sound like -- health disaster. And I'm not saying this to be mean but if you're 66 you're young guy you've had all those strokes you deal with cancer. I I look forward to someday having a health care system that actually provide solutions for UN that is. Two I have realized what it is about you maybe thirty years ago that had you heading for this a situation which I assume was lifestyle. And end to and correct those things that -- were missing in terms or your helpful less. And that this whole you know they getting back to the previous caller on the drugs. The reason. That doctors turn to drugs is because basically they have two things they do. After they diagnosed they recommend surgery or drugs what else does it doctor have to offer is going to be more health care than that. 6172666. Seats succeed Billy RN WRQ good morning.

I don't again not to be disrespectful on. But -- guy a note that the guy smoke that the guy as the guy exercises. Control -- way. Five strokes they don't from anywhere and that's the biggest problem all.

Yeah yeah yeah that's what I'm saying is a real health care system a real medical system that did its job. Would be look at that the baby that they're holding in their hands -- And wind of the birth has just happened and said. This beautiful healthy magical creature how we how we keep that helpful. Through its life. And I think we drop the ball on that.

Think your right it's an interesting point -- bring out if you ask and expect -- Iraq Koppel what are they want a boy or girl. The typical answer is all we want as a healthy baby. But -- now in this country we go from. Health being the only consideration. How being not consider all package -- Archuleta.

Thank you bill for the phone call -- what we do we live our lives and we seek how it works out and and what we wanna do and maybe it is just human nature -- are changing. What we wanna be able to do is liberalize as stupid as we want to live them because that's how we are you know. We wanna eat pizza we wanna eat popcorn we wanna drink beer. And then when that. Disasters formula. Leaves US being sick we want the government of Texas -- to keep us alive or to give us things to thin the blood the we've second. So that we don't have a stroke. It's a little nuts and by the way we would never do this for the things we love most like our automobiles. We would never not ever get an oil change. And put crappy gas in the cheapest possible oil right he what what's that what's -- colonel Sanders equivalent. For oil. And gasoline. And maintenance for your car we would never pull into that place for our car yet we do it for our buck season and -- life. Everybody to pick up the tab defects as when there's a disaster it we don't even know how to fix this -- this is disaster Jim and met for your next NW RQ good morning.

That -- One of the things but I think they've got people up a look at as far as the health care system met a lot of people probably ignored the fact that. Our university systems -- so march. Or doctors to become doctor. That when they graduate they are hundreds of thousands of dollars debt. Barrel. You know it's -- salaries are considered doctors.

hang on that's -- that's a really important point and that's not one I've heard discussed in this. Could there not be cheaper ways to train doctors does -- have to take colors -- taking eight years.

Does taking years I don't know what it takes to become a dark.

Years and it bigger if you guys graduating with hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt now are. --

am -- not taken that they're not making the kind of money any anymore RBI. You know is somebody become -- a general practitioner what do they make now I don't know I think -- under grand a hundred a quarter something like that I don't think it's big money anymore. And maybe it's not that much so Heidi just a five. Having hundreds of thousands of dollars in loans to go off into a job that's paying you. Above average but not making your -- six point 72666860. Tom's -- today -- alone Indian Dorchester your NW RKO.

They try actually this is well it sounds stride I don't get -- much -- government bureaucrats I was just to rock art. But you know that's ridiculous for national everybody should realize that the number.

So lance what lance would still have. Both his testicles but he'd be dead. Under rationing program is every --

to our productivity is medical condition or read about it. We've -- absolute miracle 01 -- a million shot that he actually all.

No I didn't know that while I was at a one -- a million what was the key factor that he was rich is that recess.

In relation to get medical coverage click here to decide -- he was gonna give up Eddie didn't -- up. -- precedent normally would be government your track and a switch in fact but -- that -- yet I'm not willing to take steps up here.

Are you saying. Are you saying and -- And -- should mention an insurance company. Bureaucrat be giving used the Lance Armstrong treatment if it's your testicle.

I'm -- my insurance policy trot I choose what I applaud. I'm going to get.

Yes but you don't get to choose you don't have a checklist that says you've got the -- are stark treatment you get the coverage that they provide a better they. Never -- in terms of what the deductible is -- what the co pay is doesn't vary based on how many testicles will protect.

That's what charged actually storage yard and it of that individual -- yet giving all of our freedoms. That's the reason this and other health care system -- disaster. Written it was talked about as well as the pocket all the mitigating. That brought -- all the describing what difference specialist command respect a lot to Obama -- Obama touched used to litigation.

You -- litigation is a big part of I think and minimized our artificially I suspect by those who say well it's not that big Pete. Piece of a pie if you look at the stats I think they're fixing the stats to leave out the degree to which decisions are made every day. To avoid litigation like have that test have that -- stand a hospital overnight. David away with your NWR campaign did it.

That alarm are like become a slightly different angle I think there's more than enough money in the -- system the -- being divided up. I mean if you looked at tort reform and you look at campaign targets -- Where -- these George companies everything. An all over Washington. I think you would see some decisions being made are based on the dangers of congressman and senators but more based on the people.

But you started off by saying there's more than enough money in the system which is what those liberals who want the government to take over have argued yet. We now have proposals -- A five point 4%. Tax increase for high income earners to help pay Ford and they're still struggling to figure where to get the rest of the money.

Now look -- that's just typical liberals. You know more money more money for Russian pair of every one -- I think I think we should in the next -- Africa electing. Even -- demographic -- order everybody out and let them know America is not happy.

David youth. We're done with David we need to break okay we're talkin' rationing. Argue in favor. All of -- first all the government take anybody in favor of what Barack Obama is proposing is an in I I would like to hear from you don't be silent. And feel like you're not part of this conversation. You're a bystander if you think that the the government should be taken this over because I'd like to hear how you resolve these issues. About. Who's gonna be making decisions about rationing health care right now we obviously have rationing in the system most of it happening because the government is so involved already. But also because insurance companies have to say hey we're not gonna pay for that that's a form of rationing. Deal like that rationing in and in fear the government. Doing it because it's the government is -- the -- 6172666868. Thomas off its top five -- 680 WRKO.

We wanted to break thanks. Today on probable. -- A lot of medicine. -- You've got help. -- what. Good morning.

It is W -- here Tom on vacation this weekend. Today no co -- just me we don't mind it's gotta fund 6172666860. Were talking about insurance. Rationing. Is a big issue as a matter fact Barack Obama told some governors he was meeting with recently. Don't mention the word rationing because this has become an emotional. Keystone of the of of this debate. Those of us who were more conservative. Don't want the government making decisions about. Our healthcare and what we should be given are not given. Based on what do bureaucrat thinks and -- you know I'm totally on board with that but I do think we have to face a reality and that is a rationing is a part of any system. That there's in order to. I have read PS system that's viable has got to be pushed back against spending. And part of the premise of this is this whole debate is whether there -- whether it's fair to say. That's too much money to save a life. Our it is is it ever okay to say that because I think we have to I don't think you can have a system of shared cost. And that is what what insurance system is right worried right now we're in an insurance system that means we share the risk together. In order to be able to do that we have to be able to save some treatments too expensive you can't have this gotta be rationing. Either in the system we have now or in the socialist system that Obama wants us to have is gonna be rationing. What exactly is your concern. And would you object now if somebody's 89 years old. And we can extend their lives for three months at a cost of a 100000 dollars is that something we have an obligation to do I don't think so. 61726662. Exceed even under the current model. I would favor a system that says you know what and I think that is what happens right now. A doctor would say we could do this there's no reason though to be making that effort. There's no reason put the patient through it there's no reason. To incur the expense. Is that your we have rationing now ranked. 6172666868. So. Why is rationing the emotional word that is it that is can you explain them Mikey needs to your NW RKO hi Mike.

By more good. Com what they wanna make a point. -- op more people in part we are -- art. And get a choice BV. OL air in rationed out there that looked like a pretty good option though I think. I think that the world they're gonna build out like our yard out lashing out there.

Yeah I just don't we have ration health care right now. Don't we have rationing right now.

It depend on juror you're so fuel economic well.

Let's say you're an average person right years they make it a good living -- gonna under branding you have health care plan and insurance plan. When you go to the doctor the doctor has to check with the insurance company on what they were authorized him to do for you right that's a former rationing --

Are some way by if if you don't -- little bit and in the little shape there. There's a lot of trash day and well I'm just a statement that. But that they've been quite as they reached we are gonna out. A national socialized mediocrity. For all expelled you know -- what Eric bop bag there and though they're bending the dolls were gonna Obama bell wobble -- Blake fielder and spread it around well.

Why were at that tipping point I don't know that the did the end result is predictable yet. I I'm hoping you know the American people have a good sense of what America is even though Barack Obama doesn't Barack Obama's a socialist. And he wants bigger government he wants a government controlling more things like health care I don't think the American people. Are inclined that way but. They've been pressured for years we've been pressured for years by a system that's been screwed up by government intervention. How ironic. To think that the cure would be more government intervention Robin Hampton Falls your NW RQ Todd Feinberg in Tom is off today -- rob.

They deploy -- particulate call you know what -- all due respect the last caller. And it'll it'll all of its socio economic boy you are. You get even better candidate -- could -- a lot better and -- decorum and an industry and I you know all the art. And you get ready that's that you want because -- not -- or health care professional is afraid you're gonna depart around until.

Yeah Barack does that make good health -- makes good health care for that moment but over the long term. If you need an emergency room to get your health -- you don't have a regular doctored it goes CA is does does that get you good health care and good results.

Yes he -- stop. Because you know what I mean not because it could keep don't know part of Iran that's what equality not all the ecologically can't afford anymore. But the purpose like that people like -- our stated that debate really need to come out of -- and he'll -- administration to do what a beautiful job. Are we talking about. Health care or health insurance. Because Al hair is exactly like -- explain doubt that the lowest -- economic. -- people in this country right up the people. But without the best -- are -- in the country all -- health insurance which you tried -- trying to convince the American people like blurring the line. He can't sort out the million what -- million illegal immigrants in my opinion there is out Jarrett another good about it -- people maybe ten million. Not about Al you're -- over to keep out all year. It got really good question the American people how they make how we not doing art that it. --

Now you've you've made a good point and I think the reason. That the president is mostly talking about health insurance right now wanting to have a government. Health insurance alternative. Is because his long term plan is to have the health care taken over to some extent at least. By the federal government 6172666860. This is so. Complex this issue isn't it. -- did there's so many different facets to it. And we're talking about rationing that we inevitably go off in different directions and that's fine. It's just and build. It's a lot to get a handle on. Are we we've talked about drugs the role that the person did -- dropping of drugs into the culture by doctors. And in the over treatment the fact the comin' for you with a headache and you get test after test after test after test when maybe all you have is a headache. And you know it'll go away tomorrow. We we've got a ton of stuff to tackle. I don't trust the federal government to do I don't want the federal government doing it but rationing has become this emotional. Cornerstone of the conversation. And I think rationing something we have to do -- that we do every day and the problem with. Facing up to universal health care is having bureaucrats start to make those decisions. Instead of a system that we've come to trust to make those decisions what do you think 617. 2666868. -- Waltham Bob is next NW RKO hello other Bob.

I think you're making a lot of parents aren't Americans are taught not rational rationing. Person their rational rationing when we knew what the system with forty million more people -- to -- them. Well I have with a flat line about there's there's going going into medicine might be used. One of the major problems and news that we're gonna lose our. About 55%. Of our nurses by the year 2015. You you fought the system you are not going to get the rest -- about. You're gonna have a daughter who might have precancerous conditions were not its -- governor.

Our USA would you work in the field -- Okay you -- what end video -- Okay by administrative -- or practitioner. Okay what do what do you see as the way to tackle. These issues do you see the government intervention is it as a good way or two or has is the government that screwed it up fallen.

It the government has -- an awful lot army asks as people are trying to get payments from the government. It's it's that it it's a disaster today putting forty million more people into its system is gonna make a complete disaster. And it's it's it's everybody's fear they were pretty worst fears are gonna come.

Let me just ask you one thing about this assumption about putting the forty million people into the system. Being a huge burden that it won't be able to take. We're told by his we heard from her previous caller just a moment ago that ten to twenty million of those uninsured are estimated to be illegal aliens. I've heard the number twenty million being people who are just floating between jobs and those guys are back in the system simply by. Having their health care be maintained between jobs have and not be attached to a job and have it be attached to the person. In reality it doesn't sound like we here have this huge problem uninsured people that we have circumstantial. Lack of insurance.

I don't think so once you get something free which is perceived there's three. Our bill he coming in in the Soviet abusing the system. Like the lots of people do today I mean let's face it if you came in and -- like he did for car. Just you doctors -- so you UN and you're proud to be part parts 400 dollars. You might not -- that right now if you go to our results and across our friend hours mirror in all the time yeah so I mean I mean I think. We're gonna create a whole new group of people at the same time we're losing health care workers through retirement substantially. You are not going to have -- you're talking about an appetite for rationing. Which means -- sore right NC for eight months it doesn't make any difference without the conditions you -- you're not going to be affecting.

Yeah okay this is so it may be people who currently go to the doctor to. Under this new system it sounds like you're saying they would be incentivized to go a lot more because they have more complete coverage and would me worried about costs real.

Not -- clogged arteries and heart but it turns out that about 30% of them are unnecessary right why acquire the postal worker and -- had to make that doctor do the right -- combination of better information. And then I think different system reimbursement that says let's look at the overall quality of care the patient.

I didn't know that's actually good point. If you if you reward doctors not by procedure. But by a per patient they get a fixed amount of money sent. And they're and they're not being paid because they get that extra test. And they're not scared to not get the extra test because they're gonna face a lawsuit it seems to me dramatically changed the cost structure we don't need universal health care. We need to fix why it's so expensive it's mostly government policy that has made health insurance so expensive isn't it. Henry essentially your NW RKO.

My my sister lived in England for all or almost thirty years in was whether or are we get -- Bellamy. That if you're over -- over there. Edgy -- part of the national art that them up you're gonna be and you need medication because you've got a condition are. They routinely do not allow your over these that they don't allow people access -- the most. They're expensive most recent medication.

We want to ones that you would get here.

Buick because of the cost structure because B clinic that you're going to almost there individual products that are they had. And -- that that because big baby boomer generation of people are over fifty -- ones that are beating them medication the most. They have to keep the -- don't -- I'll be over Brokeback as.

NNM by the way who -- needs who needs drugs it's not people under fifty generally. It's people over marries an Arlington next NW RKO primary.

I how -- is I'm good lesson we went off the rails that when we started paying for everything at the door for people. When people got first dollar -- paid for it's let this system went off -- you can make people pay airwaves for -- and their start -- There won't --

And -- bigger stuff I mean what's the big deal if you have something tragic happened I mean minimal tragedy like you break a leg. Why can't you pay that off over year to. That's that's how I view it to thank you merit to that Kathleen Gardner next hi Cathy.

Good thought and might era is that they'll help for a medical. Aid is that people don't want like.

It's not about what these people -- abort them.

And you know who knows what's dot then things they've got out there require like they'd still in the army when -- a third that they require a you'd have a LB dot.

That's a good point you know when you take it. And the government and you know I was semi chiropractors yes Cheney plays these videos. See you can learn about health that from seminars he does. When he was talking about the dairy industry and he said the dairy industry. God its launch -- all these subsidies you know we still pay farmers to make -- And he was saying nobody should be having -- their diet it's not a normal part of human diets not good part after your weaned from your mother's breast. You should be done with Gary Neal only -- should be consuming. Is is human milk. And he was saying this came from the government being involved that during the depression. Keep babies weren't getting enough fat kids weren't getting enough -- their diet so they started subsidizing milk as a way to get. That the Milledge did that fat into the diets and that -- after you do that it becomes a permanent thing he can't get rid of those investments you can't get rid of those policies. They've built in glued to the -- by the they've become permanent because then that becomes a special interest group. The politicians sell on offense 617. 2666868. We're talking about rationing Tom and Todd 680 WRKO.

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