Obama-Iran..I ran so far away
Mon, 22 Jun 2009|
We talk Iran, and the great debate over whether Obama should be making stronger statements. Tom and Todd agree that he's hitting the right note.
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I'd like to see the -- stronger. Then he has been normal I appreciate that comment said yesterday. I think we who have America leave you look at the statements by president sir coalition -- Prime minister. -- have been much stronger as we shouldn't.
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I'm blessed and it's very very appropriate saw this something's -- they Ian by the way. Charles Krauthammer is one of my favorite -- his -- I'd like Krauthammer like George will are Krauthammer had an article in The Herald on Friday. About hope and change but not for Iran where he's taking oh boy wonder president to task. Four fade to understand the magic of the moment to speak up in to indicate. On whose side America's sympathy rests on -- student demonstrators the people who are for more than a more open more tolerant. More. Humane regime. How as I said I like -- program I think he's absolutely dead wrong in this case I think he's dead wrong I don't think Barack Obama not looking to make excuses for our president. I don't think Barack Obama has much choice if he opens his mouth if he offers an utterance of comfort. Soon solace support in any way shape or form. Then America becomes. Interjected. Into this and we by definition and by default the bad guy. You don't want to do that and in and strengthen in in in in in doing so strengthen the -- hands.
You don't want to -- totally agree I think there's a phony discussion. Where. You know -- the Republicans are grandstanding the issue because Obama's hands are tied he has to walk a fine line. But it it's also uninteresting one because Republicans are are seeing Obama's poll numbers starting to show the honeymoon is over. That they're starting to be some linkage between the the bad policies that Obama's pursuing and his responsibility for the condition of the country. And they want to I'll be able to keep that momentum going maybe find a new weakness that they can exploit. There were calling him weak and indecisive over the weekend and I think they're searching for a story line about Obama that could. Start to push some reality into the minds of the population and they think this might be the issue.
Keep in mind Obama himself is for a -- fueled this type of fire this step of possibility at least when during the course of the campaign. He had his big big disagreement with the Hillary Clinton and others. He said he would meet with you know most in the most antagonistic people in the world any to any virtually anytime anywhere without preconditions so on and so forth. He indicated taught it seemed to me. Aid that childlike naivete almost liked both again we you and -- about her almost like you'd expect on -- on a college campus. The academic and of the professor of the college president who says brochure used to meet and sit down we break bread and we. Find common ground in and a lot of real you know people with real world experience what can say -- By your just being in Mr. President by your exchange of words and ideas and different communication should conferring legitimacy. On people who -- vicious brutal. Murdering thugs and despot you don't do that. Now so Obama -- himself planted the seeds for.
those two dots together that he on the one hand he's. Willing to sit down with the bad guys and chit chat and legitimize them on the other hand he's not willing to stand up and say. Power to the people -- That changed this weekend because it wasn't about a fixed election anymore. It then became about the cops and military. Personnel out on the streets beating up the Iranian people -- the -- that becomes a human rights crisis than anybody in the world and stock and -- talk more firmly about it in Obama did issue a firmer statement once that started but I get out to me this kind of a phony issue when your the president. You're playing chess game in these international affairs and it's easy for everybody else to take -- but it's also. Much easier for senator. To say something about drive and you know they should stand up and say everything I want to say there was a resolution out of what was the house or representatives that. Declaring the support the American people wobble -- that's great let it come from them doesn't carry the same kind of impact that the present United States since.
And I'm surprised that John McCain John McCain who knows the man of the horrors of war of the difficulties that come come on with the aggravated. Really dis functional. Political relationship of our political relationships among and between nations. Is talking. Starter like he's a nineteen year old kid full of you know.
Well look I have freedom is an emotional thing and the idea of America as a beacon of freedom for the world as a powerful thing and yeah I can understand people having differing opinion. But I think is McCain is probably the one sounds the most sincere talked about this he seems kind of fired up about it. -- it's incremental -- in my mind I don't know how much further Obama could go in. Attacking what the regime is doing without looking like. He's presenting them the evidence argue that we're the ones respondents we have in this and there arguing that anyway it's so why give evidence. Anyway aren't we figure you all disagree so let's talk about a 617. 2666860. Do you think the US should be making a stronger stand show do you think we should be bombing Iran what I do particularly Barack Obama the guy about hope.
Bring change and we can do better we will do better we have better then this. And the world yearns for that type of psychological. Moral spiritual. Release of values that he thought he was going to provide a promised that he could provide the isn't that isn't what was musical to us musical to a running ads as well and by the way what are you want to happen what would be the best thing -- better to leave these. Really strong arm guys in power. Or would be better see some kind of revolution happening in our I you know it's one of those be careful what you wish for thank -- via amicus because most savvy should he issue should be in the end prevail here in this in this tussle for power. Most savvy might. Release some of the some of the for fragment. That we -- seeing evidence of right now it might be better actually over the long term. To have the brutality of the crackdown. Associated with the existing regime continue so that deferment becomes. More and more powerful and that when real when a revolution does happen. It's a real revolution rather than this -- we traded Ahmadinejad from those savvy what's really the difference really probably not a -- for the difference between the time. Right but it's.
Here's the symbolism. Of change going on -- and the people exercising authority over their own government so I don't think Iran will ever be the same after this you know. They're learning their lessons slowly the ruling guys because they're not used to being in an environment where people can speak show in all Leno is strong arm tactics and they had Dick Morris what them. Or -- to count the votes were taken volunteers. Come count the votes they could have had a public content now at that point he -- let the chips fall where they may. Who cares let them count the votes let them see what happens who cares -- give a Saudi wins. It's just. Another guy but. A day they're so used to be camel crush and they're so offended by the idea that the people might exercise any rights that all their instincts were old man batting instincts that kind of reactions.
It's it it is absolutely amazing to think that in this day and age Tod in so many places around the world that women in particular. A treated their little -- they are treated literally like animals it is incredible they had denied school that told a certain way to address this told. With whom they can have relationships conversational relationships and broader relationship it is astounding. Absolutely astounding. That this is accepted and seen as a as a way of life it's just. Sounding to me and I don't I think Phil Fleming the -- of around given the opportunity that is you know that little crack in the -- that is now open that little light that is entered the room. I don't think they're gonna be I don't think they'll tolerate or except you sure they're not happier living now I don't -- that women aren't I'm pretty sure.
61726616. As a safe which side are you on in the great debate over the -- the role that the United States should play. 61726666. -- Stephen Braintree RN WRKO.
Hey guys -- honesty. I'm pretty sure I heard either that's great the last big that'll bomber the -- all the people above the world like it -- like it just wave a magic ended that but probably to get what that's why the other day I mean really what's. Just get down to business -- the issue dispute affects that you state that Demi god everything he says is. You know always take it as as a -- like it is --
Hot waters or how little autos almighty god ice that's -- I think this is where they power of Obama it it this is his strength ever and gave him a lot of praise for his speech in the Middle East but that middle speech was. The easiest thing Obama does that's like his race speech a couple of years of -- this is his Straka his strong area because he is a symbol of change right. He's the look at I mean sea change he's a black I would big ears truck goes too young for the job into experience you'll look at him any reads change so you take that guy's got a Muslim name who grew up in Indonesia and he's an American president yeah. All you have to do is prop him up the visual beauty is jewels at the visual actually is is palpable all -- other words you prop them up in the Middle East and -- that -- I feel strongly that the what we're seeing is a resonance from that speech -- this pent up demand and -- We've been here for years about the demand for change in these democratic movements in Iran. Something has to capitalize. Those sorts of movements. Something has to light the match when the fuel was all there in the engine and I think it had a lot to do with the timing of Obama's speech in the election coming right after. Kyle and several good morning RW RKO atomic Todd.
Want everybody excited aren't good morning. All well I mean I ran this is a really complicated country. And it. I'm almost certain I just feel it end in -- means that this so legitimate election I mean. They're really hard liners over there I I feel they -- elected are without a job with -- no.
That's a good point and polls indicated a few weeks before the election that he was leading handle.
Exactly. And with the way that country is is is just. Religiously motivated. I guess I -- has -- only girl that. Group of people which has a majority over there and we don't see that. Because we have -- the liberal way you -- thinking that we've we've come across the way we do for politics. It's just it's not realistic.
Kyle nonetheless you recognize that even though they may not be a factual basis or justification for the unrest. There is significant unrest in that society that I mean it. Young people can be wrong about the idea of view of things but nonetheless they have bring it to the.
Street well except we could extend -- argument into the media world and say that our media is so pro Obama and so. Change hope and change that. The -- distorting this story and that the distortions further being Fed. By the fact that the way it's being communicated is over Internet tools that only young people in Iran would know about so we maybe maybe getting a very twisted view of the whole thing.
Well I completely agree with outlook what -- folks say it it's it's obvious that there is so. Reason for them to be angry. Because they want change and they want. Unfortunately they want hope and change. And and an outright but the other side of it is as vast majority of these people were educated in these. And these religious schools but they're not there are. Actually looking for open -- they just want to have. It looked like.
I think it's safe to say that Kyle is our favor caller from heroin you say -- more coming up 680 WRKO. I've drama club of Boston talk station BM --
We're talking to -- town outside WR -- Charles Krauthammer writes on Friday allowed hope and change. But not for Iran is -- that -- you open a link gunmen schoolchildren now.
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Locked in a continuing bitter contest Monday with Iranians who say the presidential elections were -- The authorities there acknowledged that the number of votes cast in fifth fifty cities exceeded the actual number of voters. Does this -- in -- while state television report -- Property authorities insisted that discrepancies which could affect three million votes did not violate Iranian law and the country's influential guardian council. Said it was not clear whether they could decisively changed the election result so we -- little game playing here with appearing to be looking into things and in May be that they produce numbers it sounds like they've produced numbers and as soon as their concrete numbers especially if you make them up. Then you start seeing anomalies so -- only in fifty cities and it's only what sixty million people how many cities and they have work. So did beginning the early stages of turning heads -- singing drive I think in some kind of bureaucratic process. That would allow it to fusion of the emotion. Which is what they should at the start they were crazy to start -- the big auditorium it's a -- I'll go -- have -- it now let us know when you're done now and do the whole Chad thing that they -- down to Florida and we're used to it. So. What it's not significant to us but imagine having an election. And you don't get partial returns comin' out as they come out I mean in America. Anybody is ever worked on oh local or all elections see you guys did to solve a -- you had your people and each precinct truth and those people are waiting for the they would count of the ballots to -- counted in the in the standing there waiting the results of Polamalu and right into -- call immediately. So everybody is -- process to. Yup those pre cellphone -- lot of organizational lot of devoted people and then down to Florida we saw that whole thing of people stand looking every ballot -- it would. Went to ridiculous levels the devotion. To trying to figure out whether I carry people if it's many if you live figure out whether it's of financials chatter or not you throw the thing away and you -- but the other bent bent over backwards to make sure every vote is counted to the ridiculous level it seems to me. They go in the other direction in Iran they --
These things like their worthless and we go finally -- and slapped upside the head for a taken action it's fun to see it happens going to be it's got it's it's just amazing to watch it unfold but Obama or is thus far I think Barack Obama is. Conducting himself exactly the right way on this notwithstanding the calls from some Republicans as well -- Krauthammer. Save more do more be clear as to we used in Mr. President. I don't think he can afford to do that to us to the nation that he now leads the irony of Barack Obama is that that the place that he's working out to be. Okay as the president.
Is on international affairs. He's while -- much more so than George W. Bush and he -- keep Iraq off for fifteen years you gonna -- to beef up very aggressive and Afghanistan -- expanded into Pakistan he loves -- in the drums is -- bombs on people lot of these must've bought stock in the -- he's using more -- remember how evil George W. Bush was because who's using all these contract fighters here are -- as the more contractors -- expanding the contractors in Iraq -- answers thousands we now have more independent contractors over there than we have military. While that's how what an out of control bush right -- help file a -- is hot hot iron in on national hi there -- opt out. So he's worked out well on -- on -- North Korea's going to be good test for. But it was good -- for George what do you do it has nothing to do about north and -- you try to avoid confrontation because they're trying to provoke confrontations it's all phony that I cannot they can't fight any wars these guys can't feed anyway.
Well the -- and one of the problems is how many how many US servicemen are over there with -- a couple of miles of the DMZ 40040000. Mean sit in in the guy is -- there's no question about it how do you like I don't think he wants his kids to dive into I don't think he's that crazy. To maybe is styled itself but if he were that crazy why when you've done -- along time ago. I guess because he didn't have technology. Betty -- news for a long time not real not real and he's had the ability to self destruct. He is one thing that in front of -- we're gonna be into more closely track and monitor North Korean vessels coming to and from port. So we're monitoring them but we refuse to boredom. So what you do just like to.

