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I wonder -- the new most popular politician in the countries now Dick Cheney. -- President Obama acknowledged publicly for the first time yesterday that some detainees at Guantanamo Bay. May have to be held without trial in Debian Debian and definitely -- now Mary didn't hear that some as most Americans don't here. What Barack Obama really means because. He is a professional. Cloud maker in you that's what he does he -- Fargo -- unreality intro if you call that duality absolutely and I call that the political heads the political bands from the like he is giving himself -- to move in either direction. But if in fact this isn't just leaving her to move though. This is saying he will push you by -- all the you all things that he's accused the Bush Administration of George that's our guys are basically saying in this speech. That Dick Cheney is right now that's what he's saying. That's -- that's where the ACLU and in some of these other wry human rights groups and I'm very very disappointed in this guy there really -- I mean to you EU you're never gonna give the benefit of the doubt. Believe they came in all excited -- up about their guy their constitutional scholar that's because they were stupid -- ha -- there was no reason to be -- not we are going to exhaust every avenue. But we have. To prosecute those at Guantanamo pose a danger to our country Obama said yesterday but. Even when this process is complete. There may be a number of people who could not be prosecuted for past crimes but who nonetheless pose a threat to the security the United States so Barack Obama is actually -- George Bush's posture that he's just -- that George Bush Cheney as hostages no question that these guys are dangerous. And because they are dangerous even if we have no evidence against them even if we don't know what crimes they've committed a while we are going to lock them -- as well always the case at a question for you. Who's your favorite war criminal George W. Bush. Barack Obama just several more -- Because they aren't just say it's on the policies are pursuing because there is no choice. And that's what Dick Cheney was pointing out so beautifully yesterday they did a wonderful job he really did that wonderful wonderful job. -- I'm glad you're happy and know very apt 61 so in the -- and I'm very happy about it's a that's the subject of that Barack Obama -- early this week from the Democrats in the United States senate. He is indicative of the the ambivalence that the American public feels on this issue. They want the information they want real time data I don't terrorist -- ambivalence they're I don't think there's been a conversation. Or debate because the Bush Administration sent back -- didn't debate on its own behalf so the American people -- sold a bill of goods are always destroy the wreckage but you don't -- you miss you you overlook him in and might just be convenient feud over look at. I don't think the American people eager enthusiastic about torture. I do think they want to result all water boarding room so roll and -- you need there was the Bush Administration and accurate portrayal of this is that out of the hundreds of people involved well that's what I really need guys were carefully cautiously with a psychologist and and -- their family doctor standing by a little water -- hundreds of times don't make it sound as if it happened once or twice in -- crucial moment. There one aborted hundred yeah times three guy that's okay well three. Guys is that correct pluses and break -- an ambivalence to this because well. He's ambivalent that's -- they only waterboarding three god is a -- Well don't -- and Kazaa a moment ago when I said the public American public our ability is that while they're not there's really no way ambivalent though I don't really know there's ambivalence about what.

You do when I don't think there's ambivalence about these two positions being staked out. Do they agree with the phony Barack Obama position of we are too good to ever use any of these techniques he's protect is is right to use the techniques as we discussed -- as a matter fact. He's he's. Going to do the war crime thing on some of these detainees he said his speech yesterday so there's a phony Barack Obama position and there's -- Dick Cheney Barack Obama position on which are total agreement which used need to do anything to protect the country. So between those two positions. I think I the American people were checked the photo of Barack Obama's stance and accept the real Barack Obama Dick Cheney stance which is you do what you have to do keep the country safe.

This Cheney have to keep this game go on this this debate and -- a -- I shouldn't I shouldn't trivialize that disturbed as Cheney have to keep this debate going is there anybody out there in the Republican Party. Capable of picking it up picking yesterday's steam up and static it would.

Dick Cheney so good who why do we need anyone else. Well you can run in four years well that's my next question -- is Dick Cheney running for president when you stop no come none now why usually you have a credible when -- game show question he is no way the most popular leader in America today I forgot that he he is not he is Kamal -- police just -- not even close just last month he went up eight points and popular video resume and ended that's before this is this thing go. No you wait is it really so let exit polls come out even runner Barack holding down in the thirties when Cheney will be up on the six -- opt opt.

recruitment tool theory has become something that the mantra lately including from the president himself. And after a familiar fashion -- excuses the violent and blames America. For the evil that others do. It's another version of that same old refrain from the left we brought in on ourselves. It is much closer to the truth that terrorist hate this country. Precisely because of the values we profess and seek to live by big -- not by some alleged failure to do so there you ago.

Yeah now he he he really is very very good 617 in the present in in these speeches he says they're speeches he's a very very thoughtful guy 6860 who would you rather have be president right now Dick Cheney or Barack Obama and which one would make America safer. Composite ever question crush house effort questions that Jeff and so on good morning you're WRKO atomic Todd.

Don't change no genuine rights -- he had a good day yesterday Jeff no question.

And we know we all that we all have to take the moral high ground derivative -- three got a hundred times. But what about the countries with -- from I'm not gonna put a waffle on about that they have a mark against Saudi Arabia where it's illegal to be homosexual. Where if you.

Armchair really say it's illegal -- just chop your head off the -- but.

I got up and if it's a woman goes more than an ankle she gets publicly beaten without a while uncle dropped below in these -- to attractive ankles and -- up and stand up against that they didn't participate but thought or now you know -- all -- stuff. But we do something and how do you put an enemy that does that to their regular citizenry still -- the -- too much skin I can fight them with a moral high ground they don't have a moral high ground.

But the argument back and I'm just make any argument Jeff -- obviously don't buy into the argument back is that we do not want to descend even begin. That's the slide down toward the methods of the that --

Yeah it had found at the night that that on its face because then if you go down that road you will lose and this will be and this will be a terrorist country.

Yeah but we have but he it well here's the deal do you go back -- back to our founding documents which as you read them. Are incredibly idealistic in some would present people would say hopelessly. Naive and yet we've been able to triumph. -- The rights spelled -- for Americans in the constitutional way way worse than this because we're talking about -- onto American citizens -- previous -- Jeff's Jeff's point is that we're talking about countries with this happens openly daily constantly and I'm saying we don't want to begin that slide under the under the -- circumstances you're right after the other great -- the great. Democratic icon totem. They -- Japanese American citizens does also -- to things -- like you kidnapped across the street tomato fight versus suspended habeas corpus he did all sorts of things -- dialogue that I amnesty and that you don't want to begin casually the slide in that direction on a daily basis. That's my only point Jeff.

All right but then they could say okay we won't work anymore promised not to do it then the bit about the guns because. Putting a bullet in someone and in -- in wartime that's supported you know how much that hurt putting someone in itself that's gotta be torture because that that against all human rights. Put the bombing bombing eighty. A communications station with three guys work that must be portal or abruptly it can't feel good that's where that would that's what that.

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There's there's the water to -- Pataki -- a report about the fact that. And Derek have historic spot for a quick fix it person with regard critical portrait trying to pick people leader recognizes that torture. It would. We pull out the left all that torture. The other thing it's not it's never the other thing about waterboarding if they're they're up. Great huge -- over what they talk about a 180 creek side. They're state water would apply to lose those. Watergate a time that happened over and old fashioned people have the impression that they -- it out -- eight retard I kidnap --

I had an impression -- I've been fooled then it is for your saying is sure.

It happened -- it happens all want it fear. Any. -- there -- paid a special forces people all Bob Ehrlich and -- that are -- yeah that's the worst but we started really sort of made it into an environment where they cut people's heads off.

nicely put I think that's a reality of -- 6172666868. When you have for today Dick Cheney -- Barack Obama they don't seem all that different despite all the posturing.

Whenever feasible. We will try. Those who have violated American criminal laws in the federal courts. -- provided for by the United States constitution. Some of deriving our federal courts is incapable of handling the trials of terrorists they are wrong. Our ports and our -- Our citizens. Are tough enough to convict terrorists. The record makes that clear.

Then whenever feasible. Talk about a dodged talk about two out where he always leaves a big big loophole there's a huge huge exit whenever feasible. And unity erased appoint Todd and again the civil liberties groups are really up in arms about this that very disappointed about this. To he has already given himself the latitude and indicated very explosively they're going to some people that they're going to be some people. Held indefinitely will not be brought to trial evidence will not be brought forward against the and under what basis do you how how do you reconcile I guess that's the question for me. I think it's impossible to reconcile what he is saying and as he said yesterday in his speeches he said many many times during the course of his campaign. With what he is doing there is.

And it's -- reconcile there's a there's a collision -- no one is politics huh say what your base wants to hear -- is do what's best for the country -- we have to be proud of Barack Obama despite his lying in his posturing and being an utter fraud. At least he is doing what's best for the country and that is he says he will still if necessary water board. And he will all. Hold these detainees absolutely. -- we have no evidence against rather than release them so they can attack the country got so he's -- forty -- from a person you like the way this is bring change to Washington. Well I myself if not there's some things it shouldn't be changed when it comes to the things that Democrats want changeup. But shouldn't be changed. Barack Obama's coming down on the side of the correct that is defending the country and they are America's anti tank the American people seeing it but the clarity that -- bringing -- you don't think you know -- INS conversational my brother or the other I couldn't believe -- he was talking about. Some Obama's speech and -- and he said all you know what I liked about or peroxide at least he said there where he wants to stop the partisan bickering. I narrowing is abortion speeches bush has said Doug how can you be falling for this crap so -- he wants to stop but the reason there's partisan bickering. The reason we seem so divided. Is because these are diametrically. Opposed positions that are being held either -- for abortion or -- against abortion if he wants to be a moderate if you were early wants -- cut down on the on the -- nasty rhetoric then hit what he would have to do was cut down on the on the nasty policies the policies that are gratuitous on the on the part of one side of a debate that wants a 150% of what they -- just so if you want to take the center ground on on abortion you know get rid of side of the bed banning parental notification for example in.

It required you have absolutely require isn't it you on that issue it would require him to go to planned parenthood -- require him to go to the base the activist base and say hey -- we've been wrong all -- George and I am not going to go there and I -- going to file legislation to do way NB NC then we can all -- recessions he gives -- gratuitous little pat on the head and said you know -- really have reasonable in civil discourse and in the end it's just a little pat on the head that you give to the temper -- four year old he has no. -- is that it has no interest whatsoever in reaching any kind of trouble I partisan compromise he -- enough people here of the pie offering in the nonsense as the clock while -- well that the media about the big story yesterday now it should've been a headline across the top of the globe today should be debate Obama. Well. Hold detainees indefinitely. There's your headline there you go okay Obama says torture.