Rep. Murphy

World look at what's going on and as I understand it will a challenge speak from self. He's not plan any counting games he's not to but into the rainy day fund the no new taxes just -- we get X coming in for dollars his organs that -- spent. Why is it Charlie Murphy the guy you're going to on the budget conversation he's the chairman of the committees has all the -- other ways and means yet to the Ways and Means Committee chairman of the house ways and -- so he's followed in your footsteps. Yeah that chopper up via swap poor guy tab itself all the stuff you grew up pop -- I'm actually very jolly ripping Kelly thanks -- vigil guided us. -- he was gonna give you a high time he gives a leader out of time although our. Here -- They've -- would tell us you've been added her the -- out of several weeks almost a couple of months and it's it's grim according to while the reports. Because the economy is in meltdown. What what should what should people know about this budget challenge.

Well well again it's it's it's real. It's the it. The economy's tanking Evernote that nationally globally I would just group will play apartment and we sat down over the last 707. Weeks from carbon jerk. I went line by line. Carbon production -- which are which are tanking and we put out a budget that ought to start intellectually honest I would suggest. And it's not for its cities in -- getting getting -- very prolific getting hammered. People markedly after whether the market called thought about the what would Robert -- the territory.

How much -- reduction is 27 point four billion from lower operating and currently.

I left it toward some point 44 billion as a budget we put out. -- one that the governor put out a couple of months ago was above 500 million above that. And last year. They'll for the night initially got a white American it was. Get to a number but it would about a billion.

The billion higher than that that's been getting cut -- On this -- spoke. About it out about 800 minute yet you are about 800 million less than the budget that you initially approved last year some of which has had to be cut back. -- coming out of the box with a very very stark item at this doesn't sound so stark I'm surprised it's -- given. Our target -- first character I -- and that going to be your your sacred thing. Well no no -- don't make it out to be -- did that then I'm putting attempt played over on I would have expected based on the conversation we've heard. About how dire is that we would've seen a bigger number. So tell I'll tell us why the 800 million less than last year it shall we give it give it to Todd so that he can take it enough in the contacted I know you're and I know this stark he's saying gee I I would have expected maybe two billion dollars budget essential.

And what affect the look -- we we can't 1 point -- I -- what you have to take a cult which. Some people don't know what you're just trying to compare apples to apples are suggest is not terribly accurate. Because just a maintenance budget if we did nothing -- from year -- year the budget goes up by about a billion dollar for. Inflation are issues enrollment issues. It's about -- but one point four billion actually it goes up we got to take that we'll come not when not doing what cutting one point eight billion. So much here that's what he's sincere apple Apple's. It's 800 million left but -- actually born.

Which jelly already talk and it's been surfacing for a couple of months based upon some of the governor's proposals. Talk about Jeter hit just point out the need for new taxes I want to make sure that at least unclear Iran and that the budget EU released yesterday yup proposal has no new tax proposals in it at all.

That's that's correct the only the only revenue that then there is a nursing -- increasing in over our. -- motor vehicle fees increase. Allowing the governor to impose certain increases lenders. --

Okay but no no broad based pats are sore throat after -- also -- some of our colleagues inevitably will file amendments that Paul puts the tax increases and increase and Utica taxi into a sales are something along those lines. And knows what those will be debated within what the next a couple of weeks.

Are we anticipate remembered to be to be filed in that regard dirt to -- You're going we are respectful pick up those moments early in the wake -- not. Monday the 27 at first -- about it -- Wolf will pick -- up as they -- and into your apartment saying because have been accused of you know political or later the show -- things are. -- that we do taxes and in my responses have. Not deploy its its reality you to the numbers. And it is well -- that that the need or desire for record also Bristol have -- move --

Where have the cuts come from behind it and how do you approach -- decide. Which line items are gonna take the hit.

Well. -- where I'm not Latin what I told it would go line by line for the budget. It what we're across the border believe governor Romney did some sort of five or seventh -- across the board this deliberate look what it. We did not do we want to live by -- attracted to a major decision on each one this notion that formula. It's it's a matter of infidelity -- children living with these numbers for months. Talking about the programs and in doing the best retention awards it was a lot about one. Decision and as we move forward knowing that we -- torture not.

Was speaking to a state representative Charles -- he's the chairman of the house Ways and Means Committee they released the budget yesterday that has the -- is apoplectic no question about a lot of other people concerned. At each -- Charlie China and I have talked quite a bit about the health I'll call the health care for all build -- governor Romney -- speak it to Macy and former senate president traveling -- took a lot of pride in. And who have expressed a little bit of misgivings as to whether the state can truly afford that one to commit to a time like this. What is what is -- budget proposal proposals do with the health Kiet initiative if anything.

Well we we fought but -- port because as the discussions are and with many advocates who've come in my problems over the last few weeks. Because that it extremely excellent and actually I get a better sense of that word I would with a budget. But it -- as opposed to being here is it'll copy as a ball sure don't really have a sense of real sense of what what's -- But what I what drove it it was it was. Categorical war and Frasor oh goodness what -- the money we're spending limit that you what you do. What what's being on the Robert -- he and you're. A broad and laudable but it just extremist threatened orders really you know that the cost containment commission. Being put yup that is ongoing right now little -- sector in NF shares it Erik Stanley. Your health care fighter came out Islamic and many others. Suggest that people with that. Undertaking is critical. For the for the longevity shall we say of the commonwealth care because -- we can't get our arms around the cost and and landed them. Well I think it's -- that. With a replica of other direction knowing how expenses. What we put -- 880 million -- this year. That just on the call won't care side and on the not help side it was a closer to nine billion. Would -- the -- for the fat but it's still in the -- it's still up at the call all carry -- you don't get up to a billion dollar a year.

huge number -- let us take a break and come right back -- short commercial break we'll stay with house committee house chairman a tally -- one more segment then he's -- get out on the road. And we'll be back to Charlie Murphy Todd vibrant and Tom Finneran here and AM six NE WRKO. This government on Boston's -- and M six W or Kerio.

You know 11 and I would tell you gentlemen the -- Yeah it would become this -- that we find somebody up until -- have all the illegal alien don't want that out yet. Obama we got back yeah. I. Don't think my -- now.

While Paula is already being helpful what the honorable chairman of the house Ways and Means Committee they got also isn't so it's -- suggestions we welcome back the chairman of the committee is -- shells rip these -- state representative. And now is get the budget ready responsibility he leads led to budget goal. My description jolly no games no gimmicks no new taxes LA this is that we're gonna melt down and dad you know get used to it you gotta be adults about it. One thing I've noticed however I want to get right to the politics of this. A little MS of the question though ecologists just -- well yeah okay yeah let's do that and and I want to get the political question so while the caller says hey section eight hey -- about the -- healthy illegal immigrants. Women when's the legislature going to come to grips with those issues how do you respond to that that helpful suggestion.

Well I'm happy that it down gentleman but just. I got -- dub -- this is this is a no win situation you know we cut the budget because we -- because the budget. We realize that what archivists that a try everybody we get people like that generally go -- up. We've got folks like America Bob -- well we went too far. -- we understand that so whenever governor really happy so we -- the best we can and like any of told people it's an honest. Balanced budget based on the numbers that we have.

Does mass health get cut in any way or squeeze in Medicaid the EU EU pointed out is a third of our budget.

Well it is -- or -- reimbursement it would not terribly accurate that regard but I think a lot of money ever regret is that it's it's going to go. -- we find it however there are saving they get into it. With the current program. And sort of gets flooded. -- believe. Like he had the budget there are -- culture war.

Okay I use the governor's model on now when speaking to the governor that gets to my political question. I'm noticing in newspaper reports Judd just newspaper reports about in the building as you know the way -- debate. A lot of friction seems to be developing between the government and the speaker and senate president from my point of -- not helpful at a time like this. What is going on. -- with the governor he seems awfully personally -- everybody these days.

Well. Yeah automated router with the speaker of the governor and democratic government should present everywhere it. In the -- go far and obviously it's good work of getting got an agreement to bring date. And I agree view them there are certain times when the governor and for the microphone and it is. You go after and like I'm not sure why would what the issue was but for Mike -- a working relationship could it be that. And certainly every -- there's no well. Just like in the beating everybody gets longer but it most people what I thought much or what what what leading to.

Representative Murphy is our guest tells -- he writes the house ways and means budget he's also well -- I believe what is your opposition with the -- with the Marines.

Thought -- informer an idea for your objective of a three year age two or three years that to reserve. -- general public.

With -- read what the people in uniform that you lead when you've gone through tough circumstances do I -- that in a political environment used to do -- another environment. I mean this is the time -- in out here it is not screwing around I mean everybody's got up. Getting in the -- put big you know put them back to the all right.

Well that's and that's where recorded two examples. I would try to show people that from our budget all life which is an annual -- from legislators you know talk. Because typically get underfunded and we the editor of Israel -- about a very -- supplemental budget will do it. Concern it would probably Monica we try to better turn -- million dollars which. They ought to also cult hit record for the that it wanted out and about 55 million to put another play around with -- up until but we can do good for you got what -- record reported. -- We funded that Leinart little -- arms or presumably a 192 million -- same microphone the better about hundred. And from 92 million to put another program to go pat ourselves on the back and there but we. We can do that because that's money that's ability going to come bill that would have to pay so we didn't pushed that we can. You can -- down the road for next year we dealt with it now. Up -- go to the two part payroll or annual issues that come up. Which supplemental budget which would build we -- we've we've dealt with them up we try to do -- into our budget. If we get what can we help.

Last question that we let you go you've been great we -- time. How is this one. What is just sense of the mood of the our colleagues in the legislature right now. When people whether they're advocates sought you know some of the more liberal -- progressive legislators. Start talking openly about increasing income tax -- sales tax you the rest of your colleagues wish you a sense of the mood on that issue.

I I think you're -- government over some who are. Happy about that more beat Gordon want to what want to do to others that dirt under their worker. They're gonna come down to weigh in Iraq to the point earlier there arguments filed across the board for. And protect sales tax you know -- creating a mold and he'll be heated debate although remembrance on Monday and again it's of the world the bodies such that. -- that people walk revenue will -- go about Russia but it would figure could very. I guess I would suggest trajectory government.

Do you think people are scared suits ago near revenues right now is to think about raising taxes.

I don't know this scared because again people understand. And I think most people understand that. It's in order food like Massachusetts which grew up in -- is that situation because Obama. But all. I would do our part so. I mean we like to reject it -- everybody sure. You know people -- that. But the same time -- now we still get a good job. But now that I get it says Deborah -- eruption there will have no desire to grow government go to church.

Let's if we -- bill from -- resist calling in bill we're gonna connector right up to. Representative Charles -- the chairman of the Budget Committee.

Morning gentlemen and mr. Burton and reduced service -- the people. Marine and as it -- And thank you the -- failure. Quote member -- and they -- And we got begging. For the opportunity. To have additional -- we've done everything we and -- cut out budget. -- we're looking for leadership. Similar to what missed the Federer is used to provide up there with leader that's saying that. You know what these are tough times we may have to look at additional revenue. But let it be your local option just give up the auction went -- walked -- but what at least they have the option to do.

You're talking loudly about meals -- hotel taxes exactly. There's two things like that are ignorant let me thank you for beyond school committee -- a dot governor commuted curiously. Up. Couple things number one but it would just put out -- cluster up to seventy. Up for -- you -- education -- are the two likely baker and it's a particular argument that. Why not leading with taxes as a you know as this there's -- you're. Fault here is just is exercising just as effective leadership as -- with -- Now you like comfort -- women in the as a speaker can. It was a year -- target toward where we are protected he did an outstanding job leading on the if you didn't do that any move forward in the in the middle which speaker -- it was more forward I would suggest it's it's equally as -- strange. I mean they need to cut that would get just keep asking our way out of economic problems because that's just not sustainable it just is not protect sustainable. Especially to -- what we're tax receipts are and they are trying reckoning comes and haven't caught up. There is on the table up for -- may I -- this -- package that will be debated in particular has said that public. What that's going to contain that we don't know yet but there are going to be some. -- that you will for a forum via local cities and comes to try to help themselves.

I'm just so we can declare an SI know I've read comments attributed to us speak above the Leo from Winthrop. Who said that he's he's made it very clear hey -- you can't tax your way out of this situation it's gonna be. Has to be very aggressive realistic budgeting and I think -- America's certain protect the biggest the first step on that direction let's go to David he's Colin from -- David get connected right now. Two representative Charles Murphy.

He did a quick question much the question as much a budget is action. What the liability on the budget will be done to address that second point. It's -- are about people. My spot at our revenues -- or market now I. -- yelling get that respect is not quite.

until I think that and that's why won't be court it's Drupal you don't look two point 6% that would that this W. Up actor. It. Who point 8% off a lecture that -- but that's that's not apples to apples when we cut one point eight billion let's let's be clear. Because at two point eight is just -- the F 109 budget. As a existed when it came out of committee last year. And again. If we did not think with the budget it would increased by over billion -- They have to take that into account so between ports secure and terribly actor to Decker when he went into an apple Apple's -- only what I call upper. -- Welcoming doctor potluck that city and doctor mayor's and incident Portman when they're pretty local literature at that point out that that.

That they have been a part of the troubled chose their big -- aware where there are no costs so that means the cuts are -- are making them right let's go to the pension question before we have before we drift however should not.

For what we get took up -- content to build is going true love. Committee and you know how we did our conflict what -- relic that -- president Frederick job senate passed their version. And that will be -- the culprit. Sometimes felt it would get together with the technician. As a separate vehicle but you're confronting them from what went through my notebook but.

Number it's gonna be -- billion dollars. Well if you're -- and our ballpark anyway all our rubber ball of course you know billion dollars let's and we know you are up against the clock we got to even great we -- time to segments hero in the audience -- it's just good -- There are backed up if Syria and that Monday debate that he refers to oil and make sure we're clear with the audience it's not next.