Tom Nee

I mean he has been frequent guest here unfit parents forum with called him on a variety things heroic action by his police offices. The tough job of Coptic crazy violence he leaves and a neighbor later in the controversial nature of police details -- that's public hearing last night so let's get right to Tommy welcome back Tom -- here advisory clap rude. Good morning good morning it's great to do it yeah. Acreage could create a -- top the top big hearing last night I think it was in the transportation building secretary Jack Cohen. Having a hearing on some put up on a proposal put out by Governor Deval Patrick. And -- a lot of police officer apparently from all over the state. Came to to raise the voice and to try to be heard on -- what was just sense of the --

Bobbie I like it is that's sort of what the displeased substances they were elected leaders municipal manages chiefs of police. As well some members bum. The private sect has some recommendations. Stuck its directives and citizens a limited taxation -- that's -- what they filed last night was. It found that trade demand. Leaders of the private that the building trades it's actually chiefs of police. Elected mayors municipal manages county commissioners simply unions on the same side of the things they ain't bad public policy. I don't think I've ever in my fourteen years of being in the leadership of the union -- management elected. Management appointed -- in in unions almost.

Yet usually usually there'll be at odds with the -- with each other. Tell tell by listening tell our listening audience. Why so many people would conclude that this is bad public policy you know that you know the arguments I'll just state them for the put put them on the record. That civilians that other states most of the states use civilian flag is that deal less expensive than a police officer and at times like this we jet week. -- of the big collective we we just can't afford to have. The kind of the luxury if you will a police officers as opposed to civilians.

the lecturing is that the prevailing wage prohibits. The private -- the flag up from being a better value to the taxpayer. And I know -- that it and number at times news shows and other things for themselves while last night bombing ironic I did not know I know the prevailing wage for a flag out. In the commonwealth of Massachusetts is roughly 35 dollar amount that's the -- a wage rate it's determined by somebody else. In the Department of Labor not some by the PPP or anybody else but it's certified dog and now what -- itself well last night. And it may be both you and I think it adds that this conversation is that a flag -- As many -- would -- flexible. Intangibles -- the -- multiply I did not know that work is crop insurance is attached to that. Beyond the 35 dolls and -- Every dollar earned an ally eat it must pay the states -- workers' comp insurance rate of sixty as an additional 66. Cents and how.

Sixty cents an -- okay.

All of a 135 dollar rate it's 21 dollars off workers comp insurance. -- 56 dollars and now soiree for eight. A flag of the condemn this.

I'm trying -- women. I -- are you sure you're giving them GD did you mean to say 21 dollars an hour for workers --

It's sixties. -- cents per hour affect every dollar aren't that is not my data that is not my information was unknown to me before last night.

Yet look at that that's the -- that's the most outrageous. Premium haven't heard. I know about it. Our market our boat Obama -- I Shannon and don't I just want to be able to check it out because 21 dollars an hour. Four workers they have scenes and even at the highest in the islands.

I'm issues in my diplomat is in in mr. -- the professor of economics of not disputed -- sixty cents and hour per dollar earned. In understanding English like -- do that would mean that it's for every one dollar earned by a flag there. -- Hewitt apathy sixties -- and -- crop insurance why it in that was unknown to me before last.

all insistence on the board dictators straight like I work this would pay up to the dollar now. Very reality every dollar urged knowledge.

Driven in pot by what is determined to be the danger. Associated with the job. Is it you opposition time in the position of the police. An end and the other people who with the last night. That that workers' comp costs that you just described for our audience is not pot of what the public pays to have a police officer saw on a detail.

The correct I'm retarded he's a one more these multiply is that we're not aware you know I'm not for anything over eight. And again as I get a.

All the time evenings double time not get what has impressed his professor -- making that observation pointing out the need thought other reforms in and around prevailing wage.

Yeah I think what I missed the -- absolute. Generous and I -- like that and on your show on the following day it is it or they'll vote in the major print media what. He is absolutely out after it Davis bacon in the prevailing wage is in that. But some completely different than than a topic of public stage you edit drastic economic growth by construction site so. I mean what we have to do here is get Arabs about what I I can't make yak in minutes if he had fifteen dollar and outflank his armada the argument. -- point in the cheese in the municipal manages the unions as saying. You get no better values than -- police stopped so envelope we know what to what the -- problem is that state involvement. It's got to find some revenue to to do its maintenance its due diligence. I'd just stop it over the years that they ate these bridges of fallen down they don't want another. Minneapolis they don't want richest fall in doubt I understand all that we work with them was six months will look good to be part of the solution not part of the problem.

Tom would ask your question on this prevailing wage issue where you just shared with us 35 dollars an hour for civilian flag or and then and an add on for workers' comp. This and I realized we might be in the realm of speculation that feel free to speculate and let me remind -- listeners. Tom he will be taking calls at six point 72666868. To controversial issue he's in the middle of it he's happy to take calls pro con. Taught me how to other states then deal with these. Realities because I read in the paper 474849. States for the -- but maybe not entirely but for the most but they make heavy use of civilian flag is. Rather than cops.

Not that that some issues being the same for every thought before that this guy -- state looks like she just let. This thing would be seen in the lighted date let's stop all the -- let's stop all the mission is like articles out and army you'll both you might have been part of this stop. The polls the question. He -- big question we have Paul spoke from the the Beacon Hill institute -- you want to police opposite 37 dollars and if you want a flagship OS. Of course the poling data's going to reflect -- revealed it was 83%. A lot of flight of the last. Or would Billy shields and general -- I would out onto the sidewalk outside the public parents said. You want to police opposite but 37 dolls are like at the 35. Dollars and now up to eight person. Everybody said they wanted to.

Throughout the product I'm talking. I just -- one grower and that. In all of this -- understand where you're coming from Kenya protecting their territory I'm sure I would do this thinking. If I were heading Tampa police union at the same time -- have to understand the the but it basic economy. In the -- that this particular bail is worded it's my understanding that number one. It doesn't outlaw or prohibit using counts. Amber to it allows the community make the round decision and number three I took that and I may be -- I checked that. To mean that the local City Council. Board of selectmen of the local mayor would have the option. Of -- recognizing that prevailing wage law. We don't pay our prevailing wage to. The women who stand outside our grammar schools every morning and get our kids across the street. And they pretty much did this and thing they organize the traffic they keep the safety they have the vests on. So is it isn't it optional it's not mandatory. Recognition.

I'll get my PC at some issues commitments he inserts data on that Internet absolutely positively. Outrageous it's -- that might be watching guide. Hold children on the sidewalk they have no lawful authority has stepped out in traffic instead they do. Wait Winnick crap out what if they did is they locked out into the site and for the --

It's not signs that they hold.

Yet that's wonderful that's a request that's not a lawful command under the law you only one that can direct stop. All traffic in accordance with a lot of the commonwealth of Massachusetts. Is based worn -- warrant what.

That's silly that go back to my question it is it mandatory.

Is what programs are the -- this proposal. On on -- in any state awarded project it is mandatory in any stated I ordered preparation. It's not even a lot it's -- regulation rink today. Okay it is that understandable not about the prevailing way. So if I'm mayor.

Peru. Which is a nice beautiful little town of direction and the bird cheers and and I -- what we've got a construction project. On. Them out of town hall. And I want to hire a couple of flag persons. And I love comes but I want to segments of some money I'm gonna pay those flag persons fifteen dollars an -- I'm not going to pay the prevailing wage. What's going to happen to me nothing.

OK look it's just a different kind for -- take a lot of time to try to qualify the point again okay it is the requirement under the State's law. That on any public works contracts you must. Two of the contract that -- the prevailing wage what that contract that pays the employee is between him and his employees. Case in point our our visual example. Might that is the labor right in the construction company. He does not make 35 dolls and -- very fortunate to have a job especially in this economy okay and in it what's going on out it's a who pockets the difference between that 35 balls and out built into the public works contract. In in my son is important the contract. That now what goes on and that he -- in -- different these other things that much like themselves out. Any public Karen I only want to deal in the world back.

Tommy I don't always going to do we get a full bore a lot of people want to talk TI assume pro and con we're not going to do any kind of pre screening. -- the from the Boston Police patrol -- association was at the hearing last night. He's given us his point of view we have herded the other side I think we've given them wares to would you would be Marjorie. So let's get right to it. John is calling from Winchester John yup first on the -- what Tom need --

As to speak -- you don't do great job -- textbook that I just wanted to clarify one thing in the speaking bright note unit is that only they -- complication rate on the waged not the benefit package so. It's -- the union swagger. And admit it slowly -- inside and that I just well you know that you only pay workman's compensation they know little bit about the structure on the waged -- the package so it's a 35 dollar. -- What date with the -- section 149 as in the state legislature that. It's 35 dollars below that -- the -- only going to be twenty in his fifteen dollar benefit package here really at age sixty cents on the dollar up the twenty not to thirty side as one declares.

Al -- would become okay you know that right. Do that helps add that that helps.

Ain't that going to -- not on its side on this. -- fact that when people. I worked are on the country in -- different states people's slowdown in receipt of -- and that's a fact they wanted to let you know it was demolition that. -- drag it out of Matt spite donate amount now at least keep those cones. You know you might get down at seven besides he's you know who like to get down at sixty you -- want it actually it was something flakus fall asleep. You know -- that the very is warring job you know more snap back and -- Stop and wait this and that and.

Slowdown we just and it -- a little like well that's what it's Yorker's diet I think the problem inaudible different view on.

Got a great call and obviously the math is pretty simple if in fact Johns examples right and it's on a twenty dollar wage still Tommy -- be twelve -- added to the 35 so you would -- 21 and you might be right John from Winchester seem pretty knowledgeable but nonetheless it it makes a very obvious point. That these so called savings if this is true -- as presented to us by either John it's omni the so called savings they just went up in smoke.

if feature at all if fixture you under the new proposed legislation it can't easily be altered so that.

You can go ahead and -- collapsing and well wedeman how is that usually all that are you going to be a member of the legislature that votes two votes that'd. Do Davis bacon prevailing wage. I know it's the holders of messages that wasn't just me new and only a week at the bottom flatly that the crossing cards we could put them under the let's go to Joe Colin from Roxbury good morning -- Iran via with Tom may.

Good money -- a couple of quick points first of all each individual classification of the prevailing wages negotiated.

Based on the union contracts and that particular classification. Is we have flat and for the first time instead of lumping them in with union. They separate application -- a -- and you just. Did you like and Tibetan terrorists. Perhaps that should.

a little. Equipment which would be crossing cards which average about fifteen dollar an hour.

Q and -- and that could be paying ramification. Only -- they want to should be applied and the steelworkers wage. His flat and I that they -- they would direct.

Let's give okay Joe good point good point I was -- are better than and I wanted to give -- a chance to respond to.

we go along like yes. It started classification go up on -- on the Bureau of Labor Statistics web site. They have a classic cases of flag so it's sixty cents an hour less than a labor. And guess what that's like is going to do what they want him at all. He's going to put down a flight can -- and all just what I see you know we actually just like in Maine I'll let the construction site a construction flag it was going to do two things. It's going to be a young person that's probably innings in. New. -- employment they're going to put that person up on the road because it's the least desirable. We've talked around to many groups around the country. And then when they need that person and all to shovel the top of the flag down and go at all.

I I think match and I think the point -- he makes makes a lot of sense so if you and I the contract we have -- a worker -- five foot -- right wing -- the -- he's -- in the pink sign of the -- sign whatever the hell it is that says stop gaullist right and then we say hey we need an extra hand down he had adjusting -- the market. Drop the sign jump in because he's working for the contract. With a cop on the -- you gotta admit this I think this is very very August. The car hop is not working for the contract at the -- his work and for -- slightly right crazies I'd go crazy about the cop who's either -- and on the cellphone I drink a McCarthy when he is supposed to be.

You worked in Iraq may you economy before you know starts to grow ahead holy man and one of the best. Representatives and legislators and have risen to the high. Rank of speaker of the house you know as well as I. That what is in the current legislation. That everyone wants to site. Nauseam in order to haven't read and we remain the same status quo make note change is easily commendable. Easily I mean I respect yeah yeah and that you generally categorized as our last caller just host at which I've been trying to say he said it much better than ninth is that you're mania.

you in the legislature. Six and I was and -- about 2400 miles and I'll bet neither one of us ever. Voted on a re classification of any occupation it's done by regulation and it is done by the department lead it never and in my experience twenty times a chain and -- we probably should have we have maybe we should we probably say that I tried to actually yeah.

You know it's gonna follow as we got yeah great -- against the cause Bobbie is that pulled the thought but the caller believe what -- listening to what. Apparently it and I was that our excitement lots by the flag is -- cannot be used in the com while mapping could be rather on the road again at some issues in this language. When you -- strip in the legislature. And the Attorney General and then rendered a decision in Halifax. Okay and again and Mehmet Halifax that and he really -- decision allowed. We're using lakers' determined by the municipal management the DPW manager in that town -- People have used -- Where police obvious is that not why should I honestly believe a lot of this as -- what to do. -- it's sexy it's got a little fraction. It's it's pushing back against unions it's just good politics it's it's good sound -- me last night that faith to believe in closings and in the presidential elections everything it does on the -- special bonds on the league's starting on an.

If the governor's click Toronto history is -- that money it's good for all.

I'm -- you need are those of us that have been on the working committees that you requested data put our arms around as we didn't respond to this in the same manner as we did there in the -- terrorists he noticed -- In -- as we went in and we work we understand the dynamics we understand the economy and we try to work inside we -- and make concessions which is what. All like US. But this language is dangerous and that's not something that the police -- as saying and that's something what the chief the police suspect it's what how many knows that.