Orson Swindle

Welcome back in good morning to you Tom -- he -- and interference forum he'd have to broadcasting had an eighty and succeed WRKO. Based in Boston by hitting New Hampshire Massachusetts Rhode Island and other points. So influential so widespread west. I don't know that anybody to the east is listening governor of the a couple of guys lobster boats something like that since I wish I give I advice I don't -- I think present throughout location geography because we're about to we are joined on the phone. By external -- Orson swindle. Panda as I mentioned a couple of times during the early I was of the show this morning colonels when dealt. Fought in the Vietnam Waugh and that was a prisoner of -- and was a cellmate of John McCain's. And we delighted to welcome -- to veterans forum on AM 680 WRKO colonel good morning and welcome.

Good morning. Good morning -- common lineage I should be Whitney owns and local weather appear about the New Hampshire right now our culture and great Rebecca.

Good for you well welcome back and I know you have traipse to Bob Potts of New Hampshire -- with -- snow is then. At least. At least that the -- so I'm sure you're enjoying this this wonderful moment.

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Well -- let's get right to it -- there's so much to talk about you were. A cellmate of John McCain's you were a Prisoner of War for more than six. Years that as an extraordinary. Period of captivity. You know I'm show windy as a million the questions I have at least a million and powerlessness and -- so good to be have to be ready willing and able to take calls at 617. 2666868. So -- people who want to talk to colonel Orson swindle. About his experience. And his -- relationship with John McCain feel free to do so. I want to step with. The Hanoi Hilton we've heard so much about it over the years but Wendy's a civilian on the civilian and you know you're a guy who is on the ground it became. -- not by choice. Intimately familiar with the Hanoi Hilton tell us what it was like on a daily basis.

Well I. Against Ottawa lead your way to do it is. Europe an expression I use wanna be able to what to like the last supersonic fighter and well it aren't our border occasionally erupted with -- Parked there are. And that's sort of the -- and brutal war was you know it you can imagine an -- it's difficult for -- imagine there's one time but. Imagine that being analyzed -- and I. Solid -- shell. Were for today. It's it's lived by it dimly lit well there -- no windows open minded they're -- that -- they were ordered. And it's dark and dank and it's built well and dysfunctional all of that retro and around the store. And that your existence and if you get too rambunctious her leg but spot in the football which usually Paul knew it would. Bed and you've got a couple prayer ominous two and very lightly. And your fair rights twice and they were or shall we -- traditions and -- A -- it'll launch structure would make coming get your take get into allegations are major Keppinger -- They were trying to get you to do shopping -- not -- to do something up late -- propaganda ranch and question you would resist almost surely you'd BP so that your life.

Hello. To -- did you any members of -- family have a military. Connection before you were you the first member of your family to join the military.

Caller. Tom was radio election them record in World War II British you know virtually every Hamlet in the country that well -- to call and call -- Gordon -- all -- bureau here. Very much involved in going round gathering scrap -- And metal and paper and thanks for the war effort but -- thought -- in the marine -- shortly after -- which which -- and he made the landing on -- much of and the dutchman Leo Leo poker all that all of it.

And -- you gone to the idea force academy what was your attraction -- and tell us again about US service rep Kennedy a flu but that doesn't necessarily mean. If push you could've gone you know I mean.

I don't know Marie. -- Brookline but I absolutely. I ought to Georgia Tech MI correct -- yeah -- and I did back in the days that did the mandatory two years or usually here and good decided that it like -- usually show. I came into the marine corps and that's where met so many people from a good and all like on French up in Nigeria. The record tracks a lot of pulled from up in Boston and new England and we we joined what ago appeal -- broke two leaders course. And short career that way here and to this day here I've -- they reject bread and people like that from up -- lifelong approach.

We turn first of -- want to say thank you for your service. If it's it's really -- impossible for any of us to appreciate what you went through guys want to say thank you. I'm and I western Christian you're. Time at the Hanoi Hilton. Over six years I know that John McCain was here for five and a half he spent two years in solitary. How time to do to overlap. And did you do any time in solitary.

All you wielded province Altria I doubt about it average and termed the link the and and QB in captivity much appears LaMont there's department and earlier. John and meet in the last year's war. We want that -- side but congress shall have well about. Thirty other as I'm could be reached told the bad apple girl actually international risk. What they get the -- he wasn't artwork and a couple of what they have a group. And they produces -- and we were but John. That but that list that they should they launch war. And it'll obviously we get to know each other quite well we. Toll in mostly about things we like forty big sports stranger statement right you have been. New Hampshire this weekend an extra they would Churchill and Hitler urgently -- pointer and operational. But our friendship which solidified beer and we've been close friend -- percent which they -- and contact and you know -- the middle of it right now but. -- if you want to week on the ball and I'm actually after two weeks and I would campaign that gave that order and actually I'm.

I'm -- listeners to just get a little better perspective on how you ended up there -- spent obviously a lot of time with John McCain but he also spent a lot of time alone two years in solitary for John McCain I I can even imagine and.

You know summit what's been written about that includes that he would really tried to take his life a couple of times. Tell us how you came to be captured and did you go through that same kind of -- I don't want to college suicidal thoughts but you know it's been reported that McCain actually wanted to -- tried to kill himself. Tell us what it was like to get captured that last day week we have you know are -- For you anyway it was supposed to be your last mission right you're 205.

That that's an up and make you want to commit yeah well I tell them all about the battle. It -- like or fashion volunteered portrait of poetry don't volunteer. Be into perspective realistic and don't make a big deal could be sure -- Mecca like psychiatric agent and let me put this in perspective. We were all career promote sport career motor boat -- captains are urgently be. We were career bondage on lieutenant commander which is. And nature and an army. And we were dedicated to our objection we believe in the mission. And we believe the code. And we were chapter we were tortured taken beyond political damage to -- they get propaganda promised. And we all -- it. I cannot begin to describe you'd peeling. Being beaten down the point where you. You can't take anymore and they get propaganda. Propaganda. Released and it looked edit that was totally work. But they got that from a and we felt like we should be treat each other ago it would betray her cup career record maybe. Our comrades and water shall. And we -- that we went through this torture processed diamonds that India. That there was a breaking port that that we could not hold ball and so. What we all all often -- this -- not an uncommon bought I don't know many of these. It got appointed by god if that actually from English to take my life too -- or. Hurting my country. That's actually if you probably think.

Sacrifice and service the threats are by age 2 boy being used by the enemy to hurt our country. I don't know that chagrin -- playing a bank -- and in most current and believe me we all had that ball. Once big -- he's such -- just kill. I don't know Lester good music that's do we really good -- yeah. Whitney don't make that out to be you don't know all -- complicated. It is a symbol only credible.

Don't and I didn't I didn't mean to suggest I wanted to just give respect to.

You'll understand. It's like about two years to check. Years in and and sculptor and I'm isolationist. Route control work because we Kohler communications. We took great pride and literally like all we cannot do well we work. When where many in our ability to get Patrick who are being beaten put it isolation. The main purpose audit which give them that. Duke the -- Going through a code we knew damn sure they would become all -- will be eventually breaks. And we come to the rescue of each other communications so well we were kept. Isolated and sent that we live by ourselves. But. More often than not we were the -- would leave -- security we checked it truly rule away pros we kept on -- communicate.

We're talking to a colonel wasn't -- down. He was a fighter pilot in the Vietnam War shot down kept Prisoner of War for six and a half years. A cellmate of John McCain he's been doing some campaigning for John McCain and -- up in New Hampshire delighted to have have colonel. Or since when they'll join us. It is. So many things to work to ask you -- ask your question given India's sense of history and the challenges this country is faced. You are heroes. Your heroes -- since when Dell. Forget forget contemporary. Folks. I'm just thinking as you look back over the pages -- time history military presidential leaders and others who do you look up to that he would mind.

How well you know how. Will have -- Are. Outrage but my grandmother. And my parents were divorced earlier in the -- about it early -- And Britain agreed it will -- Euro but. From. -- heroes like that your family and we all -- you know the greatest people in the Earl. Our our families and friends to go to work every day Drew great thing for us and it goes oh. But they contribute to our community they contribute to that in the future of our children and grandchildren. And you know I think the future of my football coach and I don't mean to trivialize this but these people having much impact a model life. I would pray to god that we contribute and help people like -- set the example you know it actually -- troops and this is what is so different today. And or orchard I remember -- 678 Euro care. We were all over the little community though it looked too -- or problem at all we -- and the job they charge you don't. Collecting scrap aren't for the war we will all engaged in today. You miracle a couple of years ago banner that came out of Iraq should the Marines -- war Americans at -- mall. And you know they're only just a small. Very minute and it structure our country in the military and a -- we -- the greatest. That machine in your life actually all about the young men and women there fighting for us are change that mark. We can all contribute to the greatness of this country but being good solution but supporting our troops but. By doing the right thing interest thing that we have a better education system you know. Which are actually -- indication should we -- do -- and that's what I. My heroes tend to beat those who are heroes in everyday life in this country all relied too heavily Euro advocate Williams --

above ground -- juridical everybody knows what the I gotta say said the dear colonel Wendy has a question but I unit just based upon the response to my question. You -- heavy around radio talk show. I'm sorry. This this country needs guys like you who have not only just talk the talk but walked the walk have lived the life. And remind people that you know teaches and coaches in the simple people going about things in the way community indeed particularly in World War II year reminder. Of us of how six and seven year old kids run out around the neighborhood on bikes or whatever collecting stuff to the water -- All that stuff is just a fabulous read my dad. And I -- comment thanking you for your service was a fabulous way to open up this whole conversation she speaks to me it she speaks for thousands many thousands of people who listening to you right now colonel Orson swindle.

And and thank you. You know for making that is all these wonderful points I particularly enjoyed hearing you say that to have you here is where your grandmother in your great odds mean they're residents girl in the -- here I have to ask you. What was your reaction when you heard about says Sarah --

Ought to light up better cup they do about and they're -- to do do we edit. We put together a rally on an answer coming back through a particular rally their backs which is but bedroom computer -- what should be treated with a good did you. And a 24 hour we've managed to get small route between what people -- the official list mentioned what are those are -- people. But she is delightful. -- Impressed with heard so many ways. What went back here on about my in my area I've migrated and my grandmother are -- that fuel oil. The 2 ladies and I think they. They may out walked the straight bar and they insisted I learned and loved to read. They insisted I do lower its dual some didn't do too well. And out of that book Hillary directional and enjoy college at Georgia.

She what is and what a surprise to hear that Maria cried a little bit about Al -- it by the way that he has an appreciation for good looking woman likes error I keep call Sara Taylor the babe. In Everett and everybody knows Marines always have a good guy and a flair for all the bad.

I want to make one more what are you know last year one. The worst is preached or detect true it was a and the ball college.

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96 the last weekend there's a broken hat's their idea colonel and you've got a lot of explaining the deal and then I. As a PC allow and don't rabbit and we're going to -- we are going to take calls we promise that 6172666868. Alec guest is colonel Orson swindle Prisoner of War the during the Vietnam want and a cellmate. John McCain he's -- more than six years as a prisoner courtesy of the north Vietnamese let's go right to the piles of we can't -- is Colin from Waltham Bobby -- with colonel Orson swindle.

Yes colonel. I don't know if you heard recently the national ratio. An air America saying that McCain was treated very well in prison camps out their exact words. And that he's lying about his experience in prison camp and just just to get extra votes I was wondering if you expression of feelings about them.

Well it that's just absolutely. A shorter. You know there are hundreds of POWs forty John McCain today we know what he did. He went through -- that they're better than not talking about but nothing -- about that.

You know can can I just add one thing this because there are acted -- little better research trying to check out what's going on at the Hanoi Hilton today. And it is it turns out I don't know if you have been backed their kernel but it is actually. We believe are not an a luxury hotel today. And there's a plaque is so that's apparently Hong. After at a section that they have preserved in museum of the Hanoi Hilton sort of if it's going to museums. Corrective. Characterization. And there's a plaque there. That says. Quote though having committed untold crimes and our people. The American pilots suffered no revenge once they were captured and detained instead they retreated with adequate food. Clothing and shelter and when McCain was asked about that back in the year 2000 he said. And something along the lines of that's entertainment.

Well -- and yet well -- There's certain words -- can't use your radio Robert entered what I'd like this site and that. You know -- west well actually copy star we were tortured I had to do -- might back. And prison we had a number of -- centrism. Quote -- Sophisticated enough to realize what -- here on the -- doesn't. Is not to be believed. Back your point about the -- call while -- each rule a and were LO. Which -- Vietnamese we are Turkish. And Whitley print prison and a French court mistreated the Vietnamese their positions a comedy tradition people there and then date cop and his. Use it to keep incarcerated well immediately. It. And they tortured. It went on nine years thirty years. Later I think irreverent longest they'll. And today that prevent the one count and there exist they look real village site they kept there's the -- but it dispassionate. Which you called my fault that trawl. Simple what are product that many.

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That would -- okay -- and I think they kept the there's and there is -- section which is gold museum. I have I'd been back back and I'd be true. Were very brief visit and actually stick to look at the personal goes and where I was tortured and it'll -- they do have a little entertainment shuttered their wearily. Might present solid book shall oh my table -- way that he had -- totally shirt you know it.

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Appreciated very very you know let me just read one comment because it's obviously there's a reason in terms of their propaganda and design and that's on top of music but but but the truth -- and and this is a direct characterization from objective observers. Who can characterize what happened there as follows severe torture methods were employed rope findings irons beatings prolonged solitary confinement I'm sorry but even if you feed somebody lobster if you keep them in a cell allow him for two years.

That's yeah -- I was gonna say where's the room service in the back in Connecticut -- colonel -- is our guest in this is just the fabulous on -- for roughly going to keep going with the calls right to a Manuel Emmanuel the -- aligned with journalists -- when -- Wendy Murphy and meet Tom Finneran. --

and in the airport. I think that a duke but it the question that is why it is that very few people decide to serve this country.

Ought topic education very few people. Try to Sheri -- speaking at our military military is that you know -- because there are beginning to restore its the smallest is going to be an. While ago our population but we have all volunteer force which is Amish men and women that I they're ashamed of my. I years. Adulthood and I think people shirt this country and karate ways I don't think an occasion not sure. I do thank often we're or. We are. -- served by a lack strong leadership. To rally the people of this country first let them understand what we must do it while we must do it in the rally and support our. Causes you know we're which -- that he wanted bitter -- not a commercially but we're going to struggle between good and evil. Oh we have a group of people radical Islam that doesn't like that your action unfortunate while little -- Resources we need and the worldly. And we're going to be a natural along we have to strong military we -- be willing to do things pressure tractors and you know -- which -- I think the country good job of that tragedy you. September 11. In seven years ago. Which I was approaches -- and ceremony last evening appeared and New Hampshire. Commemorating. I don't think in the case of people not want to Duchscherer I think it's. Leading them and showing them the places where they should be sure Irving a machine that on what on -- our community and.

Colonel what the Iraq -- was not going as well as it has -- on these past few months we kept we continue to read about. Recruitment. Failing to meet its goals stress on our ability to wage right now towards. And the like. I'm curious and will Alaska and give it some time that the Americans were coming up a break we're gonna stay with you with the -- in this is fabulous -- up also to people want to talk to your. But I'd ask you when we come back your view on the draft as opposed to this all volunteer Ramey -- that would get right to -- That's okay with you we'll leave it. Colonel Orson swindle called on when the United short break acting UN vehicles with the trial in a moment and I am succeed WRKO. Welcome back Tom Finneran hate you while listening to veterans for a money M 680 WRKO with the windy repeat my cohost -- In the -- KO studio in of course -- guest colonel listens when bill. Vietnam Prisoner of War spent six more than six years as a guest. I guest of the north Vietnamese and that was a sub during that period of time also happen to be a cellmate of John McCain happened. He happens -- Hudson. New Hampshire product an effort that John McCain is making up there and we appreciate all the time the kernel. Is given to us and he is taken. Taking your calls at 6172666868. Colonel so many things to to talk about but so many listeners as well to get to let's go we can't write to. Dave from Brookline -- did -- run -- with journalists that's when dale Wendy Murphy and Tom Finneran.

I Carol you know its height continue. Explain.

Something to me now it's the same John McCain campaign in 2000. At the same -- McCain in 2008. Because -- seemed.

To lean more towards the -- bush away. -- think the bush way of campaigning ended -- in different times. You know it is it possible that you know being a POW actually qualify.

John McCain to be president.

And it -- good talking -- the Democrat party is -- late John McCain. And and obviously very usual and nobody at this picture let's do it being appear that it nothing to do would be. Straight at all I'd be present state but let me tell you what it does. What what it does a lot what did you reflection. We are in the process in this election but not of electing the winner of American -- We're in the process of electing the president the United States could collapse cope with the enormous problems domestically not -- mentioned those. It and actually in the current national security mesh pants. -- We -- world -- I've been around the boring or for twenty years I've been in leadership role -- at the great privilege and and and and I benefited. Working with some beach shortly urged. Are uncertain characteristics. Very important leadership and in all -- that I see that I really -- and respect their -- does that many. And a great leader last seen certain qualities that they courage character integrity intellect. And those qualities. In Britain bear all these people have been mesh together. And tested in the crucial urged its. I'm curtain -- John McCain possesses an incredible intellect. You understand. What this country at all outage history of the world got -- it is well that's true true patriot or no -- Turk there is integrity courage art beyond repute. He had been tested in ways they used in very you'll -- can be in good manager. And what are we -- and we're electing a leader were electing. The leader of the free world president managed -- problems liberated from. Affecting health care system Social Security system our national security our education system but let's just go on -- Improving our economy getting great jobs for people. This is -- gouging text I would hope that we all recognize that we. An extraordinary power. In the White House in these times to get touched released times in a great progressive way to get us looking into the future leading in the world.

We can't light of the current top current Iraq and the observation that -- this is not the you know this is not an episode of American Idol that I want to keep it. Dave yeah he heard the colonel's response I'm curious if anything you particularly had you take issue with them.

Yes I had I think it's kind of had it in and it kind of poking fun of the -- Individuals who. Or purple brought into the process by actually disrespect -- US senate calling him. You know comparing him to American Idol.

Today -- simple but -- anybody out tell -- what we're in the process that do it. This is not an American Idol that are going to be electing president. Polio free world -- we better beat archers. But doing it surely you recognize this. And I am you know -- the track acute I recognize. The nature questions and will become. But you know. You do what you need to do that's what -- partner we can all -- do want to but you know we're talking about your speech or detecting or it might appeal beyond that. And that is great -- and -- It's your future we're talking about -- we do have challenges that they work people great elect experience richter urged. All visited been tested so that they can measure the tent big job and as far as that Barack Obama is concerned I'm -- to America and he has to be admired the things he's accomplished in his Church were career. He does not have the experience to be written United States noticed. Just in recent weeks -- to be buckling some what just on the pressure went from the media you know. And notebook paled -- significance. You think about what occupation president I don't think this -- this time would be to be president actually touched up this pretty up.

Let's go to well Robyn from Milton Robert Iran deal with colonel lawsuits when dealt Tom Finneran and Wendy Murphy.

Side effects technical this idyllic morning hey Arnold thanks he would serve at. Inning and I thought what do not worry about -- between America or in the marine corps so we're about him.

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They act Karl can't tell me about people -- all hear about the propaganda make -- guide you in captivity. Well -- irony that long ago history. You know the all sorts of Americans. Participated in propaganda that fit in to and I shouldn't -- we. You know that the Jews. Radio propaganda -- we had good radio -- all finished the day. And that we heard from everybody compete Burnett the drain on the choral we should. You know the list goes -- and all and each each vote you know -- expressing their right or so to speak they're. But they do it'll aren't. -- We had to cope with this despair. Sufficiently enough just with a beat me beat up almost went to propagate Kirk Kirk and they're hurtful and we remember that.

Robert do rabbit as -- neglects to give us these great historical reminders and it gives a lot of perspective to what you when John McCain and others who were prisoners of Laura into it not just the provision. The beatings the torture the cruelty in the -- but then to hear unit that the mental and psychological challenge of knowing that there were many many people back here in the states. Who were not only not supporter of review -- mission but we're actually have to really. More rooting for a few wheel and cheering for the north Vietnamese.

And and the greatest insult I think really what is when the guys in the -- and came back came home I have to -- they were sent its respected and I think we still oh an awful lot of atonement for that.

But you know the funny thing is we talked earlier about how. The desire -- just die you know that that that some of that seven guys are saying. Just kill me. I obviously. It takes great character to go through that and the old saying that which doesn't kill you makes you stronger if there's one thing everybody should agree and it's that John McCain is on the reasonably strong psychologically. If you come through that and your functioning. And your healthy. And you made it an act it no matter what you think of his policies you just can't make the argument that because he survived that he's got great technological strength and that's as that's to his advantage and if you have running for profit -- running for this degree. Of leadership and and an office like that I want the strongest mind.

No matter what is agent who want the strongest mind in a position of power let's continue to take calls Brian a scholar from Martha's Vineyard bride to run in with kernel colonel -- wind --

Morning Kyle Wendy good morning -- and dealt thank you particularly great. Probably at Georgia and original state thing bit.

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Jet jet journal you may not have heard Brian's very for the the totality of -- forestry Mackey said thank you for keeping him free.

Excellent excellent sentiment there Bryant anything else for the colonel. Yes sir yeah I'm.

I can get a sense from -- Comments humility and relating experiences that that would optimism. That the -- would objectivity. That I would honor. And a sense of -- And I think that the association with John McCain you know that it's about a tattoo -- And as an American citizen. I have on the committee that going -- ticket got for the job of that report. And like that -- you know the kernel that -- the POW doesn't make you you know qualified to be president. But -- but remember that kind of -- that. I don't think I've got stomped because they had red white and blue on the -- and they -- with our team and.

Good reminded of Bryant for all of us colonel let me get back to the question -- left out did before the break and that was question of the draft. Some difficulty in meeting recruitment goals were trying to fight to war was insufficient manpower recording tell a guy by the name of John McCain. Not enough of a footprint to criticize the president and Rumsfeld. And Cheney what -- take on the whole volunteer. Versus drafts. Dynamic.

Well -- we've we we we've never had a honor. Military trauma that they these youngsters. In Lebanon the senior people leaders alter. We are Blatche truly blessed -- just ordered the men women and -- which called -- And of course the record off. We are stretched to some extent. The nature or -- though. Concentration or -- warfare. And here we are fighting an enemy. -- Belief that. That is all of the world enable a warm take violent warms it in anyways and one or two people can do an awful lot of damage and look back and I'll let her out urged Putin an awful lot of damage. We're going to be stretched along outcome I think we do need larger military did not surely believe we need to draft the draft. The biggest art I would -- in paper regret which I -- is that it would -- more people. Being gauged somewhat like we had in World War II where everybody -- repeatedly. Upping its stake -- create certain camaraderie and and it unity among purpose -- per person and people. But I think no longer portions extraordinary I think we do need a larger military would have to take up. This -- challenge to -- an alternative the child has come we're gonna take up. And I think though it we could just be and I should go to a doctor. You know. Leaders is that it obviously have not -- Best interest that part and that's an understatement. That's pretty much action very naive way to look. World -- I would not -- threat that we needed they needed. Her. And we we -- are meeting Erica oh you know I don't know that we are deficient in meeting -- go to Jamaica. Members argued that I have actually pretty fast enough numbers. But so we've had there extraordinary event should just. -- Longo tree just weren't re establishment of a huge number of Americans. Over in Iraq you know real -- and -- indirect incidental. An awful lot of youngsters who were conscious of the understate that people who were emirates in the United States and establish -- and then they are. Altered Serb.

That's an amazing story and in and of itself colonel let's see if we get him one more call before the break and then we're going to let you go we don't you have a lot to do up the F. Let's if we can get that Jack on the south sure I hate Jack welcome to run the with Wendy Murphy colonel Orson swindle and meet Tom Finneran.

Where did richer well thank you Jack I want their eternal question because I think it's going to be asserted that because of people like -- the country so worried if like you that. What -- about but it is to travel abroad. In bad not our country and I don't like it but they ever right to do so and think UP service you're no idea how much we appreciate that many members -- it was of the military and other well what do. In it is an auto parts you ordered out of -- went. Last -- Harry Reid be leader of the democratic senate that this war is what does that make it from Israel on the field.

Well -- how it shapes out again they usually Jack thank you courier your comment appreciate that it it saw. It's we'll have the right to what we want to. You know what we put that are actually what we think we've traded at all that the nature of America and what -- Dark frustrating and so great I don't think that. -- the leader of the Senate. Put him to make that comment. Tell me -- doesn't know what he's talking about he's my deepest -- he has no intention to try to undermine our art and although the good. And you know it we have followed senator reach wonderful military leadership skill -- political skills we would have foregone. Victory in Iraq we are on the verge of breaking in this whole. Bring our troops home. Leaving a stable Iraq it's gonna -- struggled but you know -- still struggling United States to get everything right to -- they would respond to a time we've been around a couple of years. We would we would not be where we are today and we all the leadership or read which I think. If you want to most telling thing -- Speaker Pelosi. They're leadership we're guaranteed defeat and that would have been terrible or her future. And that's another reason why we need a lecture about who elect of England.

Al said colonel Hitler coming up on -- time we Natalie got a two quick questions and -- lingers require very quick response.

You know lot of reports of McCain's life back then what referred him his jacket wonder if you called and Jack -- John and also. Can you tell us how many bodies. Soldiers are still missing how what what's the number like -- know every so often you read a story that they found some more remains.

At those numbers.

I'm gonna take -- way here and we're talking about this again action. And I think that number commercial where rounds this is the novel. Use all right rhetoric. And many of -- law actually a lost and crashes where you know the -- under the wreckage site. I think the numbers some around 720800. -- age. Has but John McCain you'd John McCain debate to mom Roberta who might -- secure though most delightful you want another article I -- shot. And -- jobs -- we're perjury Jack. And John's son is Jack if -- procedure -- the baby academy -- it -- its corporate the United States.

Some military currently -- stem to stern as they say listen colonel we have split Hugo you've been so great we get time -- thank you enough. Pack continue to enjoy the fine no wing on weather and and the hospitality in New Hampshire. That is -- Any kind of -- that -- colonel -- went L Vietnam Prisoner of War six he is courtesy of the north Vietnamese and the -- John McCain and he's speaking to John McCain's character and integrity and leadership will be back mama done may have 680 WRKO.