Jim Wallace

Welcome back we're continuing our conversation on so called open carry laws are just people we went to the the news break at the top of the Iowa. I mention that Jim Wallace would join a human is the executive director of the gun owners actually also known as goal. Look at look at the bed -- they -- they set me up on an -- please make sure you don't just again on -- actually that single well and they -- they go and hit the do you think that's our ability and we can do we can say hello to Jim Wallace executive director of gun owners actually who joins us now on veterans for -- money and succeeding WRKO good morning Jim Wallace. -- is bigger moderate we don't know. One -- I Joanna. Grade -- you know Jim there's been some news in the paper rights are an LA times column that got me started on this and James Carroll wrote ferret provocative critical. Column about open carry the psychology and opened carry laws letters to the editor in the globe -- manager in Iowa talking widgets at. This is this is an interesting topic it would have a lot of literally a lot of listeners -- Initially initially some new ones license can go -- -- -- gotten all smart rash and don't -- You're at night I dreamed I want to write yeah how the for the first time. I'm I'm see I'm curious what you're seeing and hearing from you membership gym at what Iran taking is on this. But perhaps developing trend on open carry. Well I think you're actually seeing different things here in we can -- -- of the problems we have here messages but it but. That between her and think you're seeing as one people are being frustrated with the -- -- and it's going up there. And not being able to protect themselves and certain areas you know colleges were -- recently. And it actually at a vehicle at the holster protest of some colleges. But sending people get -- yeah just. If you holster protest were a result of some tragedies that have taken place on college campuses. Because lawful gun owners college students aren't allowed area on campus. And basically the old empty holster represents the inability for them to that defend themselves on campus. It's a political indictment as a symbolic statement of frustration I get it -- did they -- and so walk out messages they come at matching boots and well you know I suppose there's a market for so we also. Yeah I know I'm Jeff. Well we had grunge fashion for awhile and then he had a expansion which I was objection if you if you don't want that does that weird to feel the need to win a -- so that they can fully such as average Virginia Tech situation there's an open question -- -- that guy was nuts. Absolutely crazy. And I'll concede the point right -- front. He was actually he got those guns legally. Because they didn't have the it and have the check and the coordination with mental health records they're -- when they didn't know ridiculous island once and they and let's say to Jim Wallace is point let's -- when I was student senate campus at Virginia -- -- we licensed to carry in we were allowed to carrots -- we don't have the appeals we have to real -- Instead it may be Killen Judy plots we -- the taken them down we -- -- -- -- let's but for a. But I know I'm -- for mr. because that the tragedy would not have happened because the regionals tragedies happen. Is those like the past know that there's nobody there is nobody -- unit -- the -- Jack out of business you back there. You know get back to -- ahead of the open -- just down -- -- Because the reason people -- people won't start doing it. Is for just reactions that Marjorie -- -- it's occurring it's being scared to death of somebody openly airing at gun. Don't know a -- really more than -- -- -- -- shows it chose social maturity -- -- while Leo firearms. In our members are really getting tired of culture. That forces us hide who we are and sing and I -- and I just any other social group in message justice. Tolerating -- government and society. Forcing them -- they are. I guess you know well this odds and that -- -- -- -- -- -- good job he would be sent and it you're gonna give you on its erupted access yeah. Okay here's the deal. How did you study and about Jim says government policy is making law abiding citizens feel as if they're part of a freak. She though they had not doing anything wrong in what they are carrying lawfully is not anything that makes them we had our freakish how do you -- I -- First -- -- -- -- those are your words not mine into -- it's again it's actually really disappointed because I served in the legislature and it was Michael Michael -- is -- -- who was your predecessor who. In home I invested a lot of respect he EEE I think was that your program percent of I'm sure that you're to a times actually but what you just said. I think is it just -- -- antagonized those of us who support. Legal gun owners who support hunting who support going to the licensing process. I'm yadda yadda yadda backed. Understand as countless gun -- legal ban on to a club the program just in the last hour and a half have said to me and to Tommy. And everybody. There's no need to display that if you got a license to caring and you've got it. Most of them going by this anecdotal evidence of their calls. Are saying there's no need to show it it's it's incendiary it it could be frightening it brings people back to terrorism. Violence you don't know who's good guy whose event got you don't know who's caring again legally or who's not they lose. Not to you getting into an emotional debate with someone and you and your at a local -- have and a couple of pops. And the next thing you know instead of throwing a fist the deal survive with a couple of teeth missing you're pulling your weapon. And so I think you're not representing your members that well because your members are saying don't need to display appears no need to be bracket though she go about it. Well what is the difference all right thank you here's orbit discussion that urged. You you're talking about a need and that's which you ask people on the show is is very neat. -- you support -- want to support the trend just to correct him. We ask your question do you support the trend the national trend as well as the trend in New England. To change the lives so bad it is an assumption. Ban any licensed gun owner can not only of the license -- who has. Right to carry. Can't automatically do so openly and. Tibet or shorts and a -- Napster choice but nobody Zurich openly. The government doesn't prevent you from owning or from using or from being a lawful gun owners and that's very and -- Peterson is well. I can't show my -- everybody in the middle of sharing centering you can't show your and so I think you know the world as a better poppies for -- of them. Marjorie soaked parts of the country if you carry you have to cater. It's a -- I know I'm rusty yeah but it's a minority in the aircraft out of Wyoming or actually there's just so you know what we figure -- we actually run a course of apple headquarters. Called the art and shall carry Internet course. We actually have a -- speak for the students and the problems we face your investors. Is not become -- insults is the sole. If you -- openly in Massachusetts and somebody out -- reaction similar to what you had Mexico's ordered more. And -- -- A baker actually file assault -- -- simply for. Carrying all kind of smart that -- put it yet they've been putting immense apprehension has been raised it I -- I -- -- -- that if I was surrounded strangers. -- in -- -- -- -- a -- -- pizza Jim if it's -- it was you Marjorie and I would like to get to the cause but I just like and I don't even need -- it's a match -- one oppose this question if you give it some thought I would talk to some of the palaces well. When you read that line as you talked about at the pizza problem cost goes whatever in the issues on -- on whatever it is if you see that guy had to be open openly carrying. Why wouldn't you look upon that as a teachable moment rather than as a moment of really -- to say out this guy he's got to fail it probably is a psychological issues he's wheaties to freak instead of saying what you know some people. You know shoot target practice some people hot does of people carried to safety in. You know they go through a licensing process Johnny out to you later licensing process Sally apparently -- teachable moment is it's. It is it is a a very magical moment but not in the but -- you and I disagree -- what -- -- -- well I you know I would have a different message and I would say it's very unfortunate that this person feels as though they have to carry a firearm handgun. Into a pizza joint what is he afraid of money. What is different if your gonna do whites and have a right I thought you tell me begun to hurt people. Well yeah I did this this guy and I don't agree and -- the study's going to bring into your birthday party cappuccinos I don't think -- Let's take some calls on this we got a bunch of Collison Jim Wallace obviously the executive director of gun -- Action League. Is on the line with Marjorie -- and myself taking calls let's go to John Collins from West Roxbury put money John. On good morning doctors want to. I felt that that you know like association Pakistan waited that would constitutional right to be but. The fact that matters it's not -- the way it was to contend that could be for protection and after a little sad Medicaid girl that was until the morning. But that shot himself dies it's a condition it was in Africa -- society and we and the government -- gone. Let you know I'll let Wallace go ahead -- you get the -- They're great response to that and and these statistics come from our very own state department of public health they're not -- their -- statistics. In 1998 the Massachusetts legislature passed it should -- gun control act that made it so difficult to deal lawful order about -- That we were from a million and a half licensed gun. Now down to about 240 I was burned over 80%. Like Cisco yeah yeah -- saying ten years. Gun related crimes up 300%. The front -- high level I'm illegal guns mostly -- honest about -- but that's the point or that I what is important supposed to control -- John from us right remained too you don't exactly the point that is that that is the most. He's the guy ever earth he is -- You guys if if you would be honest enough. To hear this question and to answer I would respect your position a great deal more. You have never acknowledge -- from again it's actually are Tommy even now expect a lot of the work did you -- happen hail and on time and I'm disappointed. That the truth of the matter is young people ending violence and and probably probably we don't know yet but probably. The gun that was used last evening in the shooter. Hitting father with his six month old baby and the babies in critical condition. I've got that done. Illegally on the streets stolen from. A licensed gun -- -- now we're begun that is you Michael I'm sorry and -- thank you government likely using up -- -- -- But Kim Wallace yeah -- -- pets right now go ahead isn't that true. To be -- -- we've been trying to find those statistics -- and we can't get them from the government. -- -- Bartow artery you know that that's and I am always stolen from legal downer and not part of a -- aside from North Carolina and Georgia from Mississippi how to do have a point and run up in trunks that is -- is that -- and chevys and -- advanced the runner up from the south. That's exactly what -- they're stolen from a legal don't know and mini break in India and the -- of hall of the homes of legal gun owners you would have a rash it's a statistical outbreak of the neat lasted you know the -- week. Hello that is not -- weekend and I. True unintentionally when I just went up -- -- FBI page is to make sure that I had misspoken and of course I'm happy to report. I haven't come with them they also have all new statistics seriously on where the guns come from. And frankly before they were many -- lives in the south and in the west and in the midwest. Gun owners would they have five illegal arms and fifteen illegal ones kids. People breaking in silent on the streets -- flipped them. Yet not like you flip the three Decker they flip and in 24 hours and you never know and that's it. Let's take some calls let's go to Dave -- from New Hampshire -- runny it would Jim Wallace -- clapper to Tom Finneran. I -- under Clinton. Eighteen million voters if by mrs. Clinton not a bad is to -- a couple of. Things but I mean Marjorie latest statement about you know public government. It's not trying to take away or not trying to tell you can't own guns yet but that's already started that it doesn't Washington DC totally ban all handguns settle. And I think they do a brilliant idea. Jenny might you know better than me I I I think there -- the places where there is no right appeal floor to. -- like telephone book budget the other thing that's what it -- once again you liberals. It's it's certain rights for certain people will be whether it's etiquette to get off topic but. You know whether it's gay rights or gay marriage or whatever it its its -- to those. Rights -- okay for everybody you're going to ram down our throat with people like lawful gun owners. That's just that's not. Vote for you that you want to be. How is elected and don't be extreme that that's not true there -- several people in my immediate family who legal gun owners there's lots of hunters in my family and I got to bring it out on the program should I want the NRA in goal -- other state or. Positions that represent donors to number one listened to their members because this morning a far greater number of legal gun owners are signing with -- and with Tommy and number two I think you need to acknowledge just like of the very hot. Difficult debate on abortion or on the death penalty we need to find common ground and I believe that that. The folks agree with me that -- understand that having guns. President in a home ratchets up the likelihood and the probability that someone in the -- will be shot perhaps killed in the presence of again. Completely changes the dynamic. Towards the probability more we should meet somewhere in the middle so what's and I think in 98 here in Massachusetts we met. In the middle and we made it more difficult because they were some. Minority party but -- our a couple of -- I'll tell you come close to me and -- and I didn't know how yeah how about going to that would -- wallet site during. In the aftermath of that in 98 gun law. When Jim -- that sites that's that's just -- that it gun ownership all right got dropped 80% gun crime climbs 300% how to how do you say it would meet and the middle weld have no idea -- pitch -- the explosion in gun crime continues to plague neighborhoods like mine. And unfortunately -- to many as the. And even after I can tell you what this morning the most current information that I could find on the Internet again was on. The objective FBI page and it's a huge web site and they're saying that. In every city that somebody come to tell you mostly in the cities in the metropolitan areas. -- violence has gone on -- trajectory that is so those Steve it has to do with a lot of room. Allotment complex and detailed questions then should you carry openly I should you carry concealed exactly it has -- -- the violence it has to do with. Poverty it has to do with gangs it has to do with a lot of things things that -- up -- now -- Jim. Analysts is good law abiding tax those guys -- Asian Americans and online jam let's go to while the trial is audio and photos -- Jim Wallace a bottle open election mr. Colin plug our next on the it would Jim Thome when Nigeria's theatrical. Lots to say how -- it had a lot. In my electorate yeah yeah like from the point that the you know you're talking about legal and illegal I don't consider myself. You know I I consider myself a law abiding American but I don't think there's any such thing isn't illegal gun -- in this country. Because the constitution supersedes in the state laws and if you read the constitution says. Not the police -- militia alarmed by. It's the people's right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed and those thirty year exclusive or. Let you know Abbott and interpretation that that the legal interpretations of the is I think Jim Wallace would agree with me is that. A state has the right to put always reasonable restriction on my 81 amendment right from a free speech for example analogue my. Fifth Amendment right against self incrimination and rights of your fitness center addition tells why he knows that it does say. Yeah there is some extremist Robin I'll -- young man of many of them come from the body which I'm a member of the Democrats all outlaw the guns -- of the guns. That is blatantly unconstitutional in my opinion and I think Jim -- in my. I don't know I'm not yet I think okay I can understand those who want to do it and it I I do believe that that goes against the second -- but I have to say. For those -- gun owners like the previous caller EU are just fine now -- a losing battle because there's nobody that that really that there is there are not. A substantial number of lives we have so many people who -- -- -- going to probably you know we're gonna have to come back to this topic and that