Gail Dines

Professor Gail dines is a renowned researcher reporter analyst professor now I'm not sure that she's a distinguished and visiting professor pornography because I don't think colleges and universities of America and decline that much to write honestly in a static client but I don't know that they have the visiting chair -- pornographic studies done and -- she's she's a formal academic but that is an area of expertise relates her work in in it's an area is that you know -- really in many many ways I think would become almost immune to it in we're almost suffocating at its seat in it it -- pornography and so many many ways. And you know -- again her research and herb you know ideas something that I think worth explorer and so we're delighted to welcome to -- for a he with meet Tom Finneran -- host in windy Murphy my co host for the day. And the -- here studio professor Gail last professor thank you for joining us.

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We live in a day and age in which yes sexual messaging. He is is every we have probably one of the most recent examples would be the photographs of might -- Cyrus and that you know I think people you know and -- after a certain age cringe and look and say. She's fifteen years -- my god almighty is any such thing as a a time in an age of innocence that we allow my children anymore. Tell us from yet just the EU EU your overall work in you you work with Wendy Nero research and like. What you see going on in American society it is it unique to America or is going on in other parts of the world.

Well politically the issue is not -- Indeed it really should effects that imitate because they're not just immediate effects it immediately to trade with me in the back -- specific way. Which suggests that women are indeed and we birdies being sex objects but denied any kind of agency or manic people well in society. Outside the -- even though we have the woman money the precedent. So I mean that went of these Islamic step from what actually telling is that -- say the qualification of the society -- People not know how. You don't to pornography to people who walked on the street and -- appetite -- that -- Magazine says -- what happens is that we increasingly section -- in the -- to what's he reached. That meant that when they tend to -- seek for what. What they won't is that maybe of course stop because they themselves and desensitized by the society in the but but some political talking about the new -- that just cannot handle that. I think this is the great weekend if you'd seen it but let's look at one in particular prostitute. And turning them in ways of letting them -- that she'd seen them beaten to death. -- the plane that hit me that young boy he's a getting out loud the rhino into images and basically giving women. And the sexual images in met the -- Into the -- of -- and you expect that that union that would only -- in -- neglected it.

And you don't kilometers and throw anything in there I am because I know you and I've talked about the Grand Theft Auto and what it portrays and and and I'm. Really went tackle bit more about the causal connection between what it portrays and how behavior then becomes manifested. It was very disturbing and I don't know if you've been looking at the reviews Grand Theft -- just came out I think last week. Virtually every review I read in a respectable newspaper I'm talking about the Boston Globe and you know and and other newspapers that purport to care about things like harm to society that comes from all kinds of that you know. Terrible behaviors.

It this. I should've said that -- and I -- I have to let all of the Canucks couldn't believe that the okay about the -- it was that hit like a right -- it on. In technology. So I think what's happening as well if the media has basically been a week we will hear and has not between that was going on -- channel and with adult men. And they say -- you know cooking them that meant to meet put -- itself will go away so he's not an issue. What I look at and nine if you look on how many in the mountains he met. On how bad -- put up with -- changed that constitutes about an infection not exceed about women's sexuality and about the nature of relationships between women and -- he expects the now with -- away most -- the justice.

So give us I get us some examples what I mean by the effects.

I cannot give you examples of some bad examples. Example that showed that and we'll put up with it. And then they held that would in another study on the which to talk about right. So that showed what do you remember now with the an -- just the national geographic -- and then a couple of them right. And the effect these guys that look at that need to write in the -- which you can get -- and what they found. Active viewing pornography mandate -- if the minimum that said it's time. They also have -- empathy for the right. Now another study which actually quite humorous but have a lot to say if they act mental -- in and they got into you'd -- at the track. Woman just looking to debate about what they found that in viewing public and couldn't remember aware that the that's as bad as I might -- the implication that there are. -- we -- decent jobs we need to feed off cell -- children. What helped tech we know the jobs we get into -- I met -- you know -- and I hadn't just been you know the bank to put -- As you don't have even.

You know an objective vacation of women that is absolutely ridiculous professor -- sounds to me now you know when he always says I'm hopelessly old fashioned and everything else and approved. Incentives to me is if we are resurgent demonstrates a point that I try to make repeatedly. That I won't say for better or worse it's absolutely fall worse. There is no longer any bright discernible line all boundary between what is acceptable and what is not. In the line a boundary is not only blurry eat keeps moving lower and lower below what they've got Eric keeps going. -- getting closer and closer to the god what is there is there any a depth beneath which we can't go I think that's an important.

It would have been if you ask me that aren't yet sick -- Who would've thought that the pornography the mainstream the unions say is that the violence as if I can't explain what it because obviously. Sizzle and -- but I mean the level of violence shot that was about to do the web we met and and it would get so. Beautiful ideas together that you know back setting -- would have. -- a prostitute.

I mean that in without a distraction really it is it's important that we pause at this point that the professor has just made because it -- you -- I've talked about this Wendy Grand Theft Auto and John Gonzales whose sometimes co hosted with talked about it at great great length. Literally as I understand and I haven't seen it so I'll I'll put out that you know that that qualify have not seen it as I understand it not only does the you know that some of the central player to have sexual relations with the prostitute that -- and its glorification again of six he then murders I believe with a baseball.

Oh no oh are both 2 good credible options it's like when it's got to draft is -- what you do you know do you want the east at our -- accessories you want and a gun a knife maybe all three and you get extra point is that I've got a port that it depravity that is -- of literally is beyond my. Imagination but the sales of this thing professor tell me that the society I used to -- its course involved -- all the time and Wendy makes fun -- all yes. Is that that would -- response and that I went through -- cool. It would rupiah brutal and cruel line -- yup it's all checked into time being urges that he won't let me say the word vagina. -- god -- god forbid we should tell people there it is it's an area where you know we're trying to which would try to overcome the tide that the professor has so eloquent aren't populated.

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All I met him I I appreciate the fact that he realized not only is my wife listening my mother is too and says my granddaughter and Robbie.

I -- what I expect the actual question and I don't lecture across the country I don't -- after the -- About the plants in Michigan to get the domestic violence is convinced that she can and then have people with -- and especially people women and -- with children. How long -- this culture tolerate this level of what feel like the cultural collapse in -- because we look at this situation like this book the Internet she ignored it and at. At technological revolution like never before and that no discussion of this topic. At what you. To this society if we continued what are you -- into the boards I think the plant -- the evil or violence against forty. Those but do you think you'll put if you violate who they obviously being promote the vehicle violations at mentioned but I do not believe. That men -- they say they'll put up.

Yeah and I have a yeah I'll tell you what people are talking about they're not talking about the depravity in the harm to boys and girls females and males and what it does to our relationships to what they're talking about that the benefits to their stock portfolio so can you can talk a little bit about. That what the industry looks like now in terms of profits in the dollar value but also and I and I listen to -- to election a few years ago in Cambridge. And one of the things fascinated me was the the role of the Internet and addictions -- can talk about those two things that money the money issue in and the role of an addiction with regard.

And I connect to demand more apt to happen -- that equipment that -- what we're not used to being with some of Eden. To -- and to see them making masking it -- to that level I cool -- And the like pimps in business. That and they emasculated distance and that any parent could look at giving its assigning the -- who want these -- That all highly educated say they have come -- top schools they approached about that the action would approach any business market segmentation an increased approximate. Except for lowering the cost. Also when he was involved in it for example in mr. -- weaned himself mr. morality in America makes a check it out to promote -- to all the is that as popular companies that distribute that. The Marriott hotels run by mormons. But more often that put up with the the -- that many and they refused to vote on the what you have now is -- Beijing and -- America front and center and the distribution which you know that it becomes mainstream. The more mainstream you make put out -- you won't you help couldn't miss -- they can make put up with and the best foreign companies and mainstream media companies and the -- from. The you have billions billions of dollars being night that they say is which is -- of course pornography -- If I could see her in the head -- opposite happened in the international banks that are right. We think is not the depiction accused by instinct went to this I was reading apple video news which is black. -- paid for the support industry. And they had optical on the -- I didn't used to buy into this addiction Michael but -- local people still without -- a what then do the eight week old didn't spiritual sexual addictions and optical -- How what why recently shipped to softly and pulled up with the -- It's fascinating and equipment we're doing now what's troubling me and I don't like -- something many think is happening today. Mad -- eighteen to 22 a publicly to talk about. Addiction and the situation to put up the company in Vietnam you know how bad -- I have to be to speak with faulty OJO feminists that let them back about an addiction to compensate. At the front of just how best that they feel that they've kept them. For what exactly what it wants Eugene existing east tensions as he. Again I got up and that I -- like this spring like one -- because they don't have at least half of the public Internet connections to take a break from the little.

That is -- Dennis that is absolutely amazing when you think of it that the and it is at a top -- for them to be -- to come. To reveal to you and and an end to people who are engaged in this type or research. The the the art dealer weakness in the era and in the prediction be right. Yeah it came in in -- is it it also tells me professor. That they have been able to get this deeply in to the addiction. Because there was no voice in society no push back in society that simply said gee this is as low and is wrong and as low grade and degraded if you could ever be. Don't you think more highly of yourself don't you think well how do you think more highly of the children you hope they have some date with you all -- as opposed to just treating it while as if some type of market commodity like -- OK you know cattle futures or something like that.

Well -- well we have been a group the evidence we have things aren't they have a yet. And we had been ridiculed and even -- system at a time effects from bunch of idiots to go to. What's going on we have been saying that men setback to them put up with its close wouldn't sit back -- without question that these children. We'll look at that many do that you saw how you felt bad. He -- by the private industry and it is a bunch of practices got mad in the last as the that. What we're saying is. As a society as a culture we have to organize against that and to want and -- argument that we stopped in new group called stop former culture. What -- it stopped well -- act Gmail dot com and you'll find information on our group that she emails stopped all of culture.

Yeah it to you to the words took the words adamant -- just about to say you know tell us something about what you're doing that's good introduction I wanted to follow up a little bit but you know what strikes me about the fact that men are coming -- using please help me as. The -- macho culture problem is. It reminiscent for me of what happens when boys her sexually violated you know they don't know where to go they they can't reported as such become eyes. Well that not only that culture tells them they're supposed to enjoy it right boys are supposed to enjoy being sexually stimulated even if it's a form of abuse so -- dear -- they complain about it. I'm you know they cities so just I know we we can't keep you for too much longer and we've got a lot of calls lined up I know people really enjoy. I am learning and we're going to use this as both -- learning one moment but also take some calls from -- and I hope the listeners especially the guys will call -- and and talked about addiction because I know that's a very serious issues so. Two questions -- what in particular are you planning in terms of perhaps a new way of fighting and number one number two. For people listening and and are not going to college and that do you feel this incredible addiction whether you know whether they're spending all their money on it now can't pay the rent much like gambling problems -- what what are those guys -- what can you offer them up it. Right now we're what can they do where is their website is there is there a doctor you'd recommend.

And -- that question that easily without incident and what went tuning into that and stop this group. Stop all cults that we had a conference last year that we -- wear -- seat on an upbeat. We all went data under the -- the people -- 150 people. -- what's going on society now what we thought. Writes and which is gone and he's being a few minutes it at a 120 images and -- at this. My -- we -- for people to get in nineteen units it. Response by the way and it. And what we do think laconic in line at the right to -- that it is running a -- section of people. But those people feel that I'm not ready to do it like just wants to do it wants without the running of of all day. Try again but -- interest in the -- that -- should you know stop -- culture -- dot com. Now attempted addiction have to tell you. That is very few places to get I can't have sex -- and ominously perhaps it would like. But there about a week you'd even put up with a picture because -- is maybe like -- Cynthia and that as it. We've seen this massive crisis that I was recently into -- and is all the things that basically. Abused children many that the suspect to and they -- that the safety -- that they state they definite abuse selected is what happened. That the Internet without mistakes and they thought to become abusive in any. Which meant that setup abuses began you out. So what I would that would try that. I would also again -- stopped for culture will transpire and so I meant that you want to go to -- one of the of many of the normal space based Christian -- And we cannot dole in the images on it could be argued that -- about the quality between women and men but more Nancy with the well human beings they're less likely that the annie's not -- So what we trying to link in the consciousness write about sexism misogyny and inequality between the demand weak -- is that. To that and especially to children.

And to -- one quick thing about kids and I -- if you can stay with us for -- it's my calls can you talk a little bit about. The sex solicitation of children and how it's directly related to the massive availability 247 Internet support what what other people might call ordinary port how did. Incredibly widespread access to what people might call normal porn in a sense cause the increase rape abuse and sex I was innocent children.

Requested what they found in the that it is now become -- people perceive that we quickly. The pornography industry called the institute -- he -- insisted. Now children is really the last place to get the -- But what happened in 2002 with the pornography industry lobbied the Supreme Court to change that rule the rule to say that used to be that you couldn't use anyone who was -- and he opened up under -- Thanks for the porn industry and the Supreme Court you can argue with -- it's you know before look much younger. These -- now wrapped an explosion -- world all over the things like use and I do -- that useful this time without. All of -- completely illegal because they want to eighteen year old black dress like the child she's talking about its opulence and without a she looked -- this school uniform she's got try to print back. This right at that being around. So what you're doing is its setting and into public outlet had the most. Shocking thing that happened to me right into these with these men. In the Connecticut prison system eagle -- apparently right -- to accept it went because not one of them into the profile of the patent. As the single one of them setbacks for the so when it but it says to children out supported. That's you if I'm doing -- we -- and don't men who know if I'll see children as well it's so that sex objects for the and I think that the children accompanied his passion for this whole culture and I thought that my city's -- I potential I would be read to. Going on and what I cannot about prison I didn't know what you -- these.

Or be mad at me it's people like that affects children and adults in. The so critical of the don't write back channel.

That's the pornography that they now have access to on the Internet in their homes that they didn't have twenty years ago is pushing them toward this high. If you -- becoming a -- is drawing a breath but that's just routine becomes boring and then you need for the titillation so you go into the next unknown on the net and Santa Clara. They have access to the -- so close their --

And that don't have that abode I bundle up on the one point two applying for the all of these I mean I have to have you unless we stop now. Now as a society and -- we stopped to organize. I'm not not censorship consulate -- after the carpet industry to thank you have tried to pop culture that we sent back. As a society but people kind of felt overwhelmed by you'll.

Or should know they get intimidated by it'd just such a commercial impulse I furious and it and it when I see their companies like Abercrombie a victory -- to what they do I mean I -- two daughters they're now married and having children of the Iran and the like but -- obviously fiercely protective and I I think my assumption professor has always been -- most guys would be but -- telling me. That there are guys all over the place that it just have this. Incredible attraction fascination obsession and addiction to it and then -- that leads the behavior is that it just horrific scene let's say we can take a call ought to professor let's go to. Mary Collins from Boston Mary around here what professor gale died of we elect college.

I believe what I was hearing. You'd -- go home and -- difference between right -- not justifying not to him you. For -- file. And it talent I'd rather have that -- tell them why even why they do what they gave you an Internet act Q how -- you. Not that I don't you a lot of new diet I don't you think this is not justification. And then -- went --

Yeah -- letter sent out Mary Mary Mary let her finish and you can respond.

And justification is one thing explanation is another. What we are seeing now that opened a walking. Increased about men coming -- that product is talking about that their desire to children or that they all that lined with beautiful woman -- the political when he. We have to explain it and to detect -- would -- justification in collect as much as to. They did these and -- sense that aspect and a ban on late pink and they should be put in prison and -- that.

I don't -- what I found -- that came through very very -- I disagree with -- I don't I don't think the professor in any way whatsoever excused -- justified the behavior but -- make it -- and connect yes that's that's that with the proliferation and ordinary just routine abundance of these these images in this it's sexual as a nation of everything it's it's -- let's -- label has been on the line for -- AM -- thanks for -- with professor -- guise -- we -- college.

I don't guys doing great thank you good purple -- this is the real problem it's a conflict. -- the the whole movement. All of liberalizing our society and what the professor saying. Is accurate to a certain point degree -- which you constantly hear her missing. Is talking about a normal sexual relationship between a husband and wife. And that's because her per dollar of what I'm guessing correctly here are predominant that she is eight liberal feminists. Quebec liberal socialist agenda items. And now which is concerned that we all should be. In the as appalled that when he was here two weeks ago in that the the pornographic nature ourselves up or society at this how extreme it'd. And how global warming unit and the kind of deal period the fact that tab and the problem is that because we didn't need and demoralize the normal relationship between men and women. And debt to total focus is just respect for women -- just women need to get election would take you brought up the litany of the liberal agenda. Jobs healthcare. But never help the relationship between a man and a woman. And so now I agree with here I think pornography totally object -- women.

Let me get Larry Arnold let's give by the professor chance to respond DR observation that she is reaping. Perhaps what she has -- politically given a given a liberal feminist ideology I think that's the essentially it was not a.

That you cool idea a suggestion that somehow involved and the export that -- that somehow this is -- well. Many make -- the opposite I am not -- But the opposite of this as just like any of that is that -- that job is to maximize profit. What we have is government to government both Republican and Democrat who. Is basically and that no -- given green light to the put up with the industry to keep producing what they produced. They have basically -- look -- what -- them all but small black they have turned applying that I think what you cooling in the meeting to think together about actually should be. -- I'm -- corporate practices making profit a women's bodies killed as what is about the placement and that meant.

I put my account let it pass without comment however knock -- responsibility try to take up his -- on his -- and on the -- Now I'd try to speak on his behalf. We need to act you have appointments to the US Supreme Court that I'm not respectful of ordinary standards of decency coming from the community.

I wouldn't appointment -- actually more important. Then but more Democrats take a look at -- mixed up. We think can -- mean nightly look Democrat Republican it's not now I am what you find out 2003 when you have them all my uncle. That allowed this to this pornography industry. To win which was to say that you can trapped within who look and an out of -- openly Ludacris mixed it somehow it will plot and that was so we. It -- so so when you meet with at that it can lead response we have to keep an open industry -- private to cap.

Castle what do I want to take one more call before the break and of the name of the case in the US Supreme Court that that triggered.

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It's coming I don't it's not an urgent talks so let our our my life stay up public you're gonna. Best you're gonna have to bribe my point from my cold dead hot from my cold dead and -- a problem that we even with men like view of the public. Oh --

ENN I actually think -- other great lines it but I'd I don't think he and his about to go out you know. Play Grand Theft Auto in the in the real sense okay.

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It is inexplicable to me I mean I I I literally had just get offended when -- but what Victoria's Secret that's becomes opium came that's like peanut butter and jelly that asked but not enough but got -- Victoria's Secret does to women is disgraceful -- look it really isn't what one of the things I also -- another -- about in terms -- you know conservative values -- The fact is there's nothing wrong with sex or sexuality and people think is -- very much an anti porn type I think in the anti porn. World and so sometimes I find myself having strange bed fellow conversations like Jerry Falwell you know they're anti porn but they come out of from a different and that doesn't that first that doesn't mean that anybody is a hypocrite which have a different way of thinking about the same problem. And and most -- when activists are very very sexual we love sex we --

And I would say exactly what we want good snacks you can't have good sex if you're having. It's insects as the worst thing I agree yeah sex sock it to two.

Yeah I want thing back with thank you coolest -- the conversation about -- and the ways in which thanks for example McDonald's across the complete story impact in the I was criticized it. Nobody would -- met with anti. All understand the McDonald's effect that this.

Professor -- I think one I think it's an excellent point 2 just as an insight. It might be sent in that you Wendy and others want to look at in terms of perhaps a class action on some other type of legal --