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from the Boston Police patrolmen association. Looks it looks like we got time in 88 Tommy Thompson Narnia. So I'm doing great -- had and I -- my -- and I given a few minutes ago Steve Bailey. When we did Boston business report he is all over a rug this case of details you know the flag man. Is civilian flag men as opposed to details. On the -- on the highway construction projects and I pushed back on eventually at some historical evidence is so we both agreed to maybe do a little. Fact checking on this a little digging. And I referenced some letters that I've seen to the Canada in which federal job classifications seemed to suggest that flag men would be paid at least. Why your members of paid when they have the opportunity to do a road construction detail is that an accurate statement.

That apple actually it did the only disputed tablet that is members of paid less than what the prevailed the prevailing wage law. Would require in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts -- the classification -- that which got Kate scale. That would yet again let me just clarified it may be somebody out -- it in and out but the contract is going to get. That prevailing wage scale. Applied to the contract but anyways. In in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts of flag it would receive 37 goals in fifty cents an ala -- debate ought. And anything beyond that and that eight outward the other audio workweek would. Increased that the time out the possibility of -- qualities would be double time where -- please ops it would make. 37 dolls and how long flight you know 24 hours a day seven days -- and 65 days he has sort of results in in real time there is no financial statements for the commonwealth to. To let slip this in -- a flag. --

Entirely -- I made the point to Steve -- then again he's a federal job classifications under prevailing wage. Rules regulations and statutes that a lot of this is at the at this point beyond the reach of you know speak at the -- senate president -- Mario. A former speaker by the name of Tom Finneran that this is a Washington policy.

It is cynical way beyond the region of local government but that there are more things started support. You opposition and that you know even today the -- That we operate on the state controls and and it wrote in the com while he got that and by gosh. The national highway transportation safety -- What will tell you when they're on material Washington. A construction is that is the most dangerous work site in the United States and a roadway construction site specifically is the most dangerous work site for workers in the Koppel I mean in the act country. But you're -- commvault Wii injury distinct. A distinguished position which is number one in the country for the -- as construction -- sites in the United States of America I mean you know it's almost anecdotal. You know everybody's looked at a cost cutting in -- and I understand that is -- taxpayer like everybody else I understand that. But you know there's also. Another piece of information at the public must realize that it's. They take fifteen to 20% of the police department not to street which works at a private. Private expense in India -- the public services deployed into the streets of Boston on a daily basis that private expects. If I have to replace so that 20% complete those police offices in you know against. We understand that sentiment we know. You know what the rhetoric is we'd been through a lot of this over the years but I think. In real time witness when the facts of -- themselves so everybody understands the value of heaven please ops is -- areas and on the roadways in the maple woods.

said that when somebody challenges you on the reality -- situation in the 48 to 49 other states they say hey wait a minute and every other state the union they do this with civilians why is it that Massachusetts why is it that Boston have they have these guys and gals in blue that's you know that that's an extravagant we can no longer report. What is you know how do you react to that because Bailey will push on that with media with you -- everybody else.

Well I'm looking around the country right now and I know Steve is Steve believes very. Back to oriented. Analyst in it and -- taken in in real time again now I write out to represent the entire nation and the national group of three and a thousand please I know a lot of the major cities in the country. Have enough and they shrinking tax -- right now looking again. And how to redeploy its its public service back out into which stable -- around the country in Chicago was in recently a look at Detroit's been in the -- look at it. It's it's it's a public service at a private expense I know everybody's going to say again. You know I and I listened to all the time we all listened to we have over the is that. How do we -- I'll private service we -- we get some mob revenue stream to put up public service pack utterances street. And more and more major cities around the country look at it as. You know it's not clear to me like we're the only once adored but. There is an -- there is that distinction between us and anybody else like exit Indies these things are crop it down enough. The -- Washington DC not in the BP PA offices of state police union offices. To the fact of the matter is that. We have the safest roadways. In the United States the -- construction sites in the United States in in and and I guess what distinguishes us amongst the rest of the countries that we have police office's control traffic on the site.

Tommy and I made a mistake although last probably couple -- months because I every time I saw this story at flag not want to cut it out I have seen just in the past two months at no less than half a dozen stars -- this is just Boston I don't know what I'd be going on out there in the -- I'll -- in the -- this is just in Boston I've seen at least a half dozen incidents in which flag. The detail offices have made an apprehension a couple of sites couple blocks away -- work and they go and take off and get a violent felon and I'm happy about that when I see it.

Well for the public to to remember again that -- first obligation is to the public at live action in where in the neighborhoods. In places where we've ever -- Again at the expensive of the private and but but as mr. speaker right I can't even begin to -- many events that we it's got its catalogue again. Because -- stoppage rates to. Release an -- recent interest and passed -- as the weeks. And did you I probably have for a fight major events one involving a bank rubble one at all and murder suspect. One involving a sexual assault in in. On and on it goes I mean it -- taxpayers want to look at it it you know try to find some type of anecdote. Easier with -- with state money and taught in --

I mean let's take a couple of calls if you want to do that eyewitness look at the great let's go right to challenge John has been hanging on H jolly c'mon on your -- Tommy Thompson --

This is to always applaud the bursting out as a quick if you want to use of police. -- put on rails salary and put them on and that's it but mark my contention is that. You could frank people. Put fifteen -- and how -- this -- the job to want to do would find no tension involved. And is still healthy planet with its ninety illegal aliens bring them up here. Would work documentation. Register and -- operates at its run traffic what the police patrols and it instilled in this thing -- this is a pocket hack around.

Jolly let me give -- chance to respond -- you've heard this argument before what about having somebody come in. I -- this is a no real job is what jolly from new berry says no pension no health insurance you just you've got to move the traffic -- what are you what are your -- back to that.

Well first of all let me and that I know that -- consumed a -- of the conversations -- and let me let me clarify again. There is no pension impact for doing these pay -- to it it's as supplemental income that comes beyond the base fought. That the taxpayers pay for uniformed policeman in the city of Boston want. Two ways again we're looking at the anecdotal evidence you know some type of anecdotes to remedy distinct. Putting no illegal aliens in the streets. Of Boston directing traffic -- is not something that I find comfortable as a taxpayer and three most important again. We fall back on the law our argument that. Prevailing wage requires. In. Interstate 37 dollars and fifty cents and -- for the baseline wage rate that's required that's the law does not -- but I'm making up that's alarming but it wants look up from the department label web site will find it that is factually accurate 3750 for like 44 dollars and -- labor that steps the prevailing --

I knew I should have gone -- become a -- looked at Tommy let's take a call from Jermaine Jermaine scholar from the limo they demonic Jermaine -- what Tom -- Tom Finneran.

As the speaker of the mystery of monster com. -- full 37 now now on board or if action is actually effort because. Rather when it was going to school. Is not about state laws in the flag -- he read -- fifteen I think about fifteen are now. So I mean unless you unionize. In which is what would that do. It that the weight without meat thirty or 44 dollar and now an action immediately between eight in the fifteenth --

Two things -- I think and I'll -- time any supplement that defied misstate it. I don't know how long ago what your brother was working but obviously the wages going to go up all the time and to. The prevailing wage will different every state it's not because it's part of a union negotiated situation its because wages let's say. In Arizona or New Mexico are Montana a low that they are in New York. A New Jersey and Massachusetts that's just the fact alive so the federal government will look at these job classifications. And while for the same job you'll see different wage because they related to -- in that particular state where high income states here in the northeast the -- and some of the southern and southwestern states so you'll have a differential in the rate they have and then again -- your brother was doing this 1015 years -- you know that over ten or fifteen years. Everyone's wage but mind has gone up appreciate the call 61726. X 6868 -- that I -- While while the scholar from Boston hey Walt welcome your idea with -- media and Tom Finneran.

I -- that. Margaret that they want to get the result -- that he yelled at if you would entail. But -- look at elegant Georgian fabric that sometimes gravity industrial park. I just sit in the Carter and so -- the digital copy the characters directed.

While you know you make you make a great point and I'm gonna I'm gonna and it didn't jump on the outside on this one it's -- I -- I've said before -- time it privately and publicly -- this eighties or have it on in this situation as well. You know. There's nothing like an alert cop put down a cell phone don't be starent -- the the whole -- be like doing a crossword puzzles somewhere you've got to look out feels job do it right. And I think the public would feel lack of a lot better it's you know time you and I talked about it as of -- there's a way to approach any job any responsibility. Professionally confidently and it genetically are in a kind of drift into it at a look like a slob and it's the latter one that I think at some people upset.

It -- I'm certain that the visual guests. That type of visual gives the juices flowed in this. But I'm sure that there's a lot of things in and I would prefer a ticket and on rather then completely assassinate an entire. -- It is -- police department noble what somebody police is gone on I'd rather taken on a case by case basis I can't defend somebody still and -- I would hope that date it would you know. A certain -- this times whip -- people probably get caught up space I'm not gonna defend that type of conduct. But it taken by Elijah vast majority of the offices that erupted on a daily basis. Serve in the public interest -- percent of it being in that. And and and that's evident in an a lot of the police work that goes on I mean. Look in on certain that the mayor of the city of Boston as if it's supper was gone awry in his. He without he he himself would be audited. I'd be against us but he he he knows the value and the benefit of of having fifteen to 20% and as. Police department deployed into the hundreds of bought -- a daily basis if it's good business is good fiscal management it's good.

The public got. The public say we're talking -- knees the president of the Boston Police patrol of the association. Of people -- suggesting his members. In a disproportionate benefit in that Massachusetts should each shift excuse me to civilian flag men these construction site I say let's not rush to judgment. And by the way against until that last point about you know the guy who might be -- it in on a particular occasion. I don't know I don't -- off of that statement as a blanket indictment because we talked a few moments ago about the rest at that made sexual -- bank robberies murder in the -- But Governor Deval Patrick is in the news for having suggested yesterday that. He's going to consider replacing police details with five minutes and we continue the conversation with -- media calls Reyes Colin from Bob and they re welcome your -- what time they need from the VP EPA.

Good morning probably a lawyer to do great. Probably a question of sort unless certified worked so keep -- but but two great organizations. In this country and I would add to the idea -- question. But but he -- go what the police sergeant -- what the but the profit speaking should be between clones a certain traffic organizations -- are pretty good members certified to work -- safety because ultimately that's what the but the problem not a peep about safety if you gentlemen I'm not certified -- he could not but the profit. Prop the spacing -- the public -- I feel that they have a problem. Because what we have out here is much construction -- the argues in the proper requirements and it might be a response -- that because that'll be getting you people who are certified but take all the rhetoric got a bit. Other professional what they do. Other yards a police officer that serving the public I either the -- about it but because not -- not -- it works so CPR but it was. That it.

That's great question because I am certain that you probably find -- refreshing. Numerous several years ago I approach to management of the Boston Police Department to integrate into -- training and service training. All should training all should certification to have an understanding. Of how these works actually -- the safety. I am strong advocate for workers safety and public. It might like to the public safety and it -- it might work like inside in the union to. Where the state not to make a locked or even longer. I would tell you that I have approached. The past three administrations. The leadership administrations of the Boston Police Department having a brother. That works in old show was in -- OSHA investigator. Okay and in offering not training and ask that it be integrated into our insert history. That is not. Within my control I do understand that sentiment and concern I have we viewed the the materials audit and I do find out disconcerting. That we have not trained and.

You Tommy I want to cut to the -- 'cause -- get to the other callers as well I just want to make Shrek and boil it down to this you asked Florida and the last three let's take a -- Okay. And thus the police department management side has not seen fit or have they done it in pot.

Yeah -- know I don't know that they they've integrated into it has a lot of stopped and this is on the post 9/11 world -- a lot of -- with playing catch -- and serve as that this -- wanted and certainly is -- I believe that it has a value on not to on its gonna change his service anything but it does have a value for networking knowledge of the policemen on the construction -- not to do directly with the public safety but it has to do with and I do -- safety and in some of the worker's -- that goes on inside somebody's --

I'm sure that's science but I'm sure there's science student -- that'll happen makes a lot of sense.

Let's take a call from Ted you know Lexington hate -- next on veterans farming and succeed WRKO.

Glad that last indict all of because I was -- and now pulled out a little bit depth and made it sound like I'm in his rhetoric from from something out of -- Moscow. -- there's something like that. That the whole thing is ridiculous because. You can find statements. That are not that dissimilar -- and answers not all that different than. The Merrimack Valley Massachusetts. And they used a student. Who's not working during the summer anything else but being a flag person. On construction projects on the road they don't -- AM minimal wage at as well as the on the duke but. But they don't they have any benefits at all practically to the temporary work it may even be part time work -- united. Be working more than you know 68 hours a week or something like that. Just when the traffic is heavy like during the Russia or something like that.

Ted they have out by the let timing need to who who's our guest here from the VP PA. State this but I had already use say that if in fact a contract that pays less than that 8750. That he's a contractor will still be reimbursed so the money goes into the contract is pocket instead of the employees that I hate to say that accurately.

Picasa it's built in the prevailing wage gets built into the bid on the contract I mean there's no secret to it. An and and obviously who would who would capture the rest of it I'll leave it to -- deal.

Mr. -- got a it or contractors -- of the kid did that out of -- just referenced that that student in New Hampshire may be getting paid twelve bucks an -- And the 25 bucks and now how would be gone into the contract is pocket. While the let's take a call from Mike Mike scholar from holiday might be -- next on veterans far may have 680 WRKO.

It's difficult questions Korea. It is no the prevailing wage for our flag -- I was there. It's gonna take -- the -- lately what on the web site its its listed is severely these heavy job description and Erin and the prevailing wage law flawed that. Fought back specific job and function in and it got its own distinct. Job description what a flag raising you'll see that the prevailing wage reflects an order an opposite -- capital into overtime pay no they don't know they don't a lot of -- he killed rated spot as a matter of fact barreled attack made has created entity to rate. And in -- in which they can speak specifically to that fact -- accurate atomic taxes about them that are running three dollars a gallon for gasoline. I urge everybody starting today -- in digital pictures these guys and governor. But at this ended -- as we create whatever rules we want. The state and city police have to stop.

Market right Murray while I heavy on the phone this is Tom -- want to make sure that the U and I hear it missed a unique -- correctly and if I've been stated Tom need jump in here Phillies. But that. Don't the the deal well classification Faulk flag meant. What will require the 8750 now for the first eight hours and then time and a half for anything beyond that -- weekends and holidays double time -- that's that's what I thought I heard. Around the clock no eight -- differential notes on how the 8750 flat rate. Is that an accurate okay so Mike -- in it -- you and I met this is Mike from -- by the way Mike you and I are on the same page with street got to hate guys you know shape up -- shot through the job right be professional be energetic be competent you and I are on the same page.

The role for what the flag -- a -- from I think concrete. Changed the classification. Doesn't have to be thirty that well again let's let's get to the point of fact a -- and make it seventeen dollars and now. But inside their contract's going to be 3750. Cent Jakarta cannot contract has been in the pocket to say that they have to get this it's time we change.

My call of all my point is and this goes back all the way to my agony with Steve Bailey back a while ago now my argument is that. -- Labor safety standards part of our compensation standards so and so forth so. It when people just say hey you know the governor can do an executive order to change this. I think not I think it's overstated and that's exactly what has amnesty -- appreciate the call though with takitani president of the Boston Police patrolman association. Let's take a call from. Let's take a call from frank frank Iran -- what Tommy and Tom Finneran.

Like well like the idea of respect and I'd read the work we still there. That being said. Our cost taxpayer and the -- police are the building construction. Probably paid by the contractor road construction. This is the state of federal and it that's taxpayer funded and finally. Days. Or. -- it's 567 hours. In power and light source so what does the city is very usable.

Tommy you're gonna -- that -- you I don't know about the you know the existence of a state police -- Basra police got on the site. That transports the officer in question back and forth I don't know whether that bottom that duties have -- I don't know how that works he'll have to help me out so we can have.

That's beyond my reach that's a couple secret about -- but I I can't remember in in recent memory of last summer so -- had to would have paid. Detail it's it's very infrequent and in so I don't think that that the course is owned by the city of watts not a lot of that because it's not exist.

When our guys go to detailed time they used a private has.

They used to own personal vehicles to transport and not the rules and regulations we transport all our emergency equipment. We're required to carry our -- question. Equipment in case of emergency. And we -- Darrell peel these -- and from those jobs sites we don't use apple blossom to -- weeks we simply don't have those assets available to use but he got to fight like I'd like to -- I don't you know in and act on I can only speak directly to the fact patents in Boston but. Majority of the workload is not done ought be facing -- it's all being done you know digging up -- aghast job.

Utility connections is a net. Utility connections utility guys I mean I -- you guys are always striving to Tom -- against speed you guys are always around it's a pretty DM deep hole in the street and somebody's down their underground working on a piper gas line off. While some kind of hook up.

Right in the other day in. It is not a -- it just seems to keep it on you know where they had actually the efficiency of police in an ambulance opera I mean fire and -- in those apparatus -- networked into that. That communications that to get. Those type of emergency vehicles in and out of it is communities as quickly and efficiently as possible world networked and that's been. That chain of of communication is that's something that the supreme population when doing so.

I hadn't -- I literally have even thought of that let's -- another caller to a we can't Tommy Scot -- Colin from Everett hey Scott welcome your idea what Tom need of the BP PA and Tom Finneran.

Martin gentleman -- Leo great thank you give Monica. Let let's let me out but let you know we're right and first anti union it and I airtight police on construction site. Now let me explain why person have a college degree in construction and had been in the construction field over 25 year. Now on. A major. Job in the city of Cambridge. We writing this so problems with the police and automated job and he bought the credit to so many problems with the police. And -- just what a delegate it's what it is one thing. I have been exposed. Is. -- On these jobs to the point that big you almost want to quit you jobs because you tried it till it you try to ask them to separate. And not being within talking -- that we -- you get intimidate. And automate job. That's not a million plus jobs. All the opposite one day went -- all. At that same time and elected job at this -- when they came back and I tried to speak to that. They intimidated me so bad that I asked it to be transferred from that job. And now the final thing -- say it. One officer. It's AM it's become to their jobs. Work for four hours and then at the end of the four hours. They'll say this job it's -- good we don't need gate there's enough officers armed Italy -- Goes back devastation. Picks up another eight -- For the first job daddy left he gets three dollars because he was there before I was of one minute. He goes up plates that -- to another job where four dollars in one minute they get.

I thought you may Scott you made a number of serious allegations here let me give Tom Meehan opportunity respond before but before he does I want to say this is -- very recent it's fresh in my mind I know I can say at. Credibly be in factually. They have -- circumstance recently within the Boston Police Department in which a police officer who might have done something similar to what you just said in Boston. Has been not just reprimanded but has been removed from the police force terminated job terminated for that type of abuse I know that firsthand I've seen the account I'll -- And let's on the address the the other issue that you talked about.

Yeah I mean first saw I can't defend that experiences if that is entirely factual I'm not dispute the -- the average but. I can't defend and because that's outrageous via contradicted Israel. But it candidate date what what he has raised as a question is so position in accountability. And if there is a problem like that I would suggest anybody I mean you'd -- the -- provision that is that is neat management that's not debate the real problem I mean not what -- doing here is mixing apples and oranges. Is -- value is there a financial savings by taking police not a street. No is there -- of value and cap in the public safety community backed out amnesty that private. At private expense absolutely identity that taxpayers have this -- greatly served with an additional fifteen to 20% of its police department back chemistry. At a private vendors. Cost. That in private and that's not a staple in the community oh -- bought and so. But to read it again if there -- out these other problems that exist and help them. Is I'd live in the real world I can't defend that type of you know egregious conduct I would respectfully submit Tuesday -- army that he should be calling up the line for us Sobel vice conductors that's unacceptable to --

Yeah I mean you'd you'd you know tough luck if it's true you know hopefully reflects on him members and I know how -- it got public stand up and yup.

And the real world at like it did. Dual if it -- happen the way that the policy suggests that happens that there's something about not -- defends itself that to be addressed to management and supervision it would discipline.

Absolutely let's take a call from Joe just call from rock preacher -- you -- with Tommy from the Boston Police patrolman association.

I'd cut my jellyfish has brought one -- I'd say I respect him and Ed appreciate everything the police offices do except for -- jail. We have crossing parts throughout upstate. That direct traffic it'll head -- children cross streets to go to school are only. We have to do is expand Milosevic I think. Supplement promote retirees. That I think I'd definitely make ten dollars an hour Massachusetts state police. -- That aren't that deep ailment in 83 dollars an hour the Boston policemen one an -- they have minimums for our -- you can have a -- and throughout the throughout his ambition to outperform. The -- thirty years is we don't need to spend all 800 million dollars were the only state. And the unit that does that idea let's say -- hundred and.

Where where where where where before you go on out when Joe before I give Tom needy at the microphone. The the most aggressive claim on this -- most aggressive claim is a hundred billion over twenty years now it's a hundred million. That are made -- so I'm not make light of it don't misunderstand my comment. A 180 and over twenty years is a -- had different than a hundred median op yeah it's a huge huge.

Fox -- I don't know anybody you could check the tape.

But you by judge you know I mean park started Kravis box running drive I'm telling you about that claim. He is I also talking about the history is. Which is why actually -- showed you wisdom because you're gonna get the facts he had as opposed by the -- phoning us from somewhere else it's a hundred million over twenty years this has been studied -- does the -- Steve Bailey -- outside about this and says get rid of the -- says the same thing gets a hundred median all the when he is that doesn't make it insignificant. Every dollar we -- Davis taxpayers we want to and we should. But you go went to a Wiki -- open instead of buying some kind of phony -- claim that says they and his idea Manhattan for 24 boxcar ahead Tom Nate.

Yeah I mean at it again -- you know after. -- the most the hot spot for me listen to like just start on the nose while doing it wrong. Fact finding it into that would get him real time because if they did have the value. That's from bad debts professed to these -- in media pieces. It'll. I get everybody would've done it along time ago the fact that matters at the end of the -- there is big greatest value of the traveling public. To the communities in the city of Boston I mean because out of number 87 dollars and -- state police lieutenant. That's factually inaccurate go look up the paperwork you'll find it I don't represented the state police lieutenant but I know for a fact economic 87 -- now -- detail. Everybody knows what each -- is making but. It'll look. I understand that -- all look at revenue streams that deliver greater amount of service that a government and it ends in certainly. I'll always look for revenue streams to do so I understand that and certainly. And last but not least by amnesty and anybody would accuse me Libyan capital -- I don't want to let a good angle. But at the end of the day. I raise -- family and I gave my taxes and McConnell ultimate 2000 members are able to the same thing. If there was not a benefit to collapse in at least I mean I might taxes agree -- up like anybody else to outlook for revenue streams to support. That needs to the infrastructure the state to bridges and roadways and everything else I understand what's going on.

On Apple's part time where bush and o'clock -- do want to ask lobby for a let Tom need for the -- go lie about his -- die and is column from Boston tonight and welcome your on the with Tommy and Tom Finneran.

Hello good morning and I did but it the safety issue you what it says that the police that they have for the public safety. And all of that and manic -- but my question is bad. What about the cop police passed that would diet. You know at eight. Our regular self doing his bleak rock and he got put any other eat out when about the experience -- that topic dot. And it also may be putting other public. People and they drag it -- they would that they trooper at the envelope there out about the coming up a PC out.

I and I think it's a great question Tom what about fatigue what about exhaustion Heidi keep your members alert for the for the regular job that they do on the street for us.

While -- idea to collective bargaining agreement that this requirement that only so many hours a week is allowed to be worked. One and but -- is at the end of the day you know with with the prices to ax stalled shrinking it is that demand on the patrol force that's been going on for quite some time. We're working I was anyways with a shot staffing and it could be overtime meet peak it could be -- could be a number of different things but. Where we do you know we're working a lot out whistler operating it'd probably. In every police department and -- while it is in around the country everybody's running fifteen to 20% shot his staff and in this post 9/11 world -- all work -- most I was anyways.

About a relative to and that's a relatively new provision and one of the recent contract that it I I -- I do recall and early at times. Sometimes guys that work 8000 dollars a week if they -- that repetitive -- you'd agree that it probably not going to be top. Top notch in the.

Not going to be top I know but the demands in this job I mean you know the demands of the job in the profession I mean so what this submit. What does that suggest that did that a police -- that that watches it is user kids. You know. Is not going to have a fatigue factor belted it we have addressed but it's inside the Watson please collective bargaining agreement. That is only so many out as we get our secure work and that's been addressed to help the safety of our members is the consent to what -- for the public's.

With a takitani president of the Boston Police patrolman to association and he came my we've reached out to a because it Deval Patrick. Suggestion that he's going to consider replacing police details with flag -- always good topic to talk about Tommy thanks for joining us Iran veterans forum.