Jim Ogonowski

With the talking thus -- about this big election. Tomorrow up in the fifth congressional district about college the merrimack valley district it's easy for me the numbers never make any sense to me anyway but the candidates do in the voters out they have had an opportunity to listen to learn to get ready to go believe not one of the candidates is one of the candidates is -- and is this Jim Rogan house can call it and.

Current paid Jim well thank you for RF thank you for Richard how appreciate picked up Jim -- it when I was doing the Saturday papers I noticed that your opponent Niki Tsongas. -- an apology for comment that was made by Chet Atkins form up public congressman up there as you know. In debt Chet Chet was talking about some of -- proposals and comments on this immigration issue which -- described as being borderline racist and inconsistent with you know year old brother you're late brother John Hogan now skis you know life on the family filed up the idiot -- could not be more clear difference between you win Nikki on the immigration issue what do you CNN hearing held the around the street on this issue.

Well people saw right through that they are they're totally yet. Upset with that at the lowest form of politics -- make a comment like that I don't even know what acted you've ever met my brother I don't -- my brother was my best friend and he never mentioned that yet this book which at that investment system on the thing bank -- the -- make such comment having never met me. Is absolutely ridiculous that the lowest form of politics and people look that up but that type of activity that they. Campaigning out there and I believe they're going to revolt against it and number of people. This weekend come up to -- say you know satellite on Democrat they would -- line yet that's absolutely wrong with activists and foreign Whipple the.

Now -- Jim what I want to make sure I'm clear around with you would with with the listening audience is that making yourself says hey wait a minute I strongly disagree with what Chet Atkins said. In his comments -- not reflective of my views at all very strident. Definitive statement the denial of at any association a support. Of Chet Atkins statements are these are not really be I I I don't know that he can -- these comments about race Arco.

A caller -- or return a significant contribution that he made her campaign. She can do that if you want to stand up but George -- some money back promise you won't stand for it and then that we want from -- let let's let's talk about immigration.

I was just going to say let's talk about a couple of issues with -- got to that your view on driver's licenses Eliot Spitzer the governor up the New York pushing a lot of controversy. Apparently your opponent Niki Tsongas says this is the way to go which -- announced he's --

That's absolutely ridiculous I believe we need immigration reform in this country but it doesn't include amnesty for illegals we cannot reward those who have come get my break and -- first she says she wants to give them amnesty. I didn't citizenship and now yesterday that he wished want given his state driver try to place. That absolutely ridiculous became heavy legally they're committing crime after crime after crime and we can't reward the driver our streets -- taking jobs away from people right here in the fifth district that want to have. Just provide to their families and it last week -- came -- that you want to get in state tuition. And it I can't believe that we've got all these problems -- country Indonesia want to give benefits of people who have committed crimes and and quoting benefit storm and you know in -- we have our sailors and -- Donald Walter reed medical facility not yet but getting this -- but fundamentally wrong group making it absolutely -- that state tuition can't give me and.

I'm sure -- we don't let the instate tuition issue has been addressed by the Massachusetts legislature that's overwhelmingly democratic has been for a number of years. And de DOS by have not embraced that I guess I'm asking him if it's a political.

You wish thinkin' -- achieved out of she's out of whack with the people of the fifth district I -- think that.

Any UN having Democrats come up to you on the campaign trail and make that type a statement of that -- vibes of.

All they have the data coming up to mimic on the campaign trail you know that. If people looked at district are are are working class people hard working working two and three jobs just to provide an assembly and -- illegal immigrants a taken add jobs away from. At a helicopter me the other day installed carpet for what he says he's a optical out of business consultant. Hiring illegal not at a minimum wage did not pay in taxes and not paying workman's comp and not an insurance is that not paying any taxes at all. And so there are the cutting his business they're driving good Americans out of work we can't stand.

I get a lot of calls about that from particular people and construction should be you know -- you -- again that the the unscrupulous employer Europe. We'll go out to hire a boatload of folks pay them dirt cheap. Because anything they get here in the United States is probably going to -- surpass what did get in their country country barge at. Quick question has the issue of the border itself come up in a debate and -- specifically between you and Niki Tsongas what's true view on how you'd tighten border security what's and what's you know what's the Hogan -- ski --

Well my view -- clearly that we have to take -- borders I think we need a physical sense of automatic technological fans. And we need to put enough border agent on the job to get the job done and that includes our ports still we've today thousands and thousands of people come here every day legally we talk about the ones that are coming here. To take some jobs away with our -- that we don't know what why they're coming from the other criminal activity because every act they do well here also -- criminal activity but yes smuggling and that drugs. And it it's also a health issue that Clinton a rise in tuberculosis and -- in Los Angeles area can be directly attributed to illegal immigration. We have to get a handle on that we have to stop it and we can't wait. And congress has continued to -- the American people this past spring may try to has two -- in the month of may alone and it failed and it it did not give us and the immigration reform. And that now I'm here in the that I can even talk about immigration reform outlook 2000 at the earliest that's actually on the people that -- it. That that there's something fundamentally -- in Washington these jackets and wire act congress as a presently has a lot of the approval rating. Dot I but I have to people in the statistic about -- effort shorthand to approve of the job congress is still paid yet have a person that district raised their hands.

What are the business groups up this -- with street gets immigration when you get to talk to them Jim I mean they desperate for our work -- India for reaching out to anybody whether they have. Valid documentation or not or did they tell you they -- the system I do I can't find enough -- these are the only folks I can't tries to show up.

Not that they -- good honest Americans provide for their families and run small businesses think you know. They're the they're problem is that -- being driven out of business. By illegal immigrants set up businesses the protective areas where it's easy to them to do that and it driving the good Americans out of work acts actually lost these that is try to provide to their families immediately of the commitment undercut -- it isn't a number of working every week in. We're I'm hearing that -- more predominant but it all across the entire spectrum of the jobs not want particularly -- more than others but it's just about everywhere.

Jim it's been an interesting campaign you've never run for office before in your life pure Republican here in Massachusetts are a lot of people would say the so ganassi have a suicide wish you are something like that. I and at the same time you know and Nikki saw this and I know Nikki so on the you know and have obviously -- of her late husband as well and I try to plate just straight down the middle I think it's kind of an important opportunity for me to to a service to the interest that voters the fifth district she's had some celebrity people command far -- a guy named Bill Clinton who showed up John Kerry of I think was -- the era no Deval Patrick -- democratic governor has made a number of efforts on her behalf may be speaker Pelosi as well several of those. Oh what a war. Was the -- bogus no ski view on this on this kind of addition juggernaut and.

even -- him I says from now when I bounced back early this spring I'm -- for the endorsement of the people that district she's bringing in politician NAFTA politician -- after washing. Insider 8 I have always thought when politicians and north of a politician you know would they represent. The other politicians can -- outlook and that they get endorsement of the people that district a problem kind of brought in some people I want to. Well looking for a I think yesterday was a clear contrast that the protective campaign and it to protect our representatives. It will be I would tell made 76 stops over the last 24 hours about the district called the midnight ride and stopped -- night. And giving out to meet the vote is where they where there working stop in at a restaurant stop and in the very VFW's the American legion. And it she's propped herself up -- the politicians from outside the district that's not what the people want.

she's better she's been really try to map the your catalog UN with President Bush you know these -- the war in Iraq when you're out there on the campaign trail on the street saying how to those voters that you just described. What -- EU candidate Jim poconos keep hearing from the voters the fifth district on Iraq what they say to you Jim Rogan -- he should you become a congressman.

Well you -- there it to the great frustration at what they would go on and that people are clearly saying that they realize. There way to bring the troops home a big home also lately is the right weight work for a safe and stable Iraq have been all all that it said that she wants to bring most of only a few behind the fight Al Qaeda. Stop now. Can't just leave a few behind it absolutely ridiculous it would lead -- elect chaos and lead to genocide. And it would lead to more more casualties Americans may actually -- military sense which he suggested note strategic and no common sense at all. Let's work for a safe and stable Iraq and then bring everybody home altogether the Sons and Daughters of America but you know there -- also my friends and my -- that's what a lot of make that tent but as. These guys they want to get the job done and I want to come home and want to come -- so. -- and -- that's safe and stable Iraq and then get everybody back home.

Jim you know you've described a few moments ago the fifth district as being kind of a working class congressional district people I've always thought of -- Lawrence and -- the mill towns but in all the surrounding towns to -- in of the suburban towns. You get it's just it's a working class district then that you got a lot of success in the head but still. People who are very comfortable and driven by economic opportunity economic need. What is going on up the -- three got DR campaign in Niki Tsongas campaign of which we got to economic development how do you approach to how what you proposed that might. Interest of voter rep there in the fifth district to say and I hey he had -- Hogan a ski which way am I gonna go on -- what what distinguishes you from her.

Well clearly you know to look for the history exactly what you mentioned -- built cities all locked in able powered by an alternative energy source merrimack river. After the 70s and 80s we had a computer Albany area economic well with the computer industry particularly when lab in lab -- that. What does not Apple thought I honestly believe that we need to do the research the development and what people to work in the installation Hubbell and every -- on sources I'd like to see big advancements its solar wind power and we can do every yet it will great strides the university of all the technology and -- technology actually get right out of make it competitive and it cost the fact that the people if uncle Sam would just leave that congress would lead -- energy independence. I'd give -- the tax credit to put solar on our rules that put the advantage of wind power. We could door right here in the fifth district I want to see the fifth district illegal bat its and the manufacturing of hustle and -- And I honestly believe -- on the small family I know the value of hard work. I -- nature of the environment I honestly believe. Static -- good environmental policy in this country combined with the national energy policy is the seat where America's future and I economic prosperity.

Could very much be like John Fitzgerald Kennedy's call to put a man on the -- in the in their response to -- I.

And they got from that they an -- that's exactly right John Kennedy Eric gave it that vision put Amanda Ramon Ike Eisenhower people all realize Ike Eisenhower gave it the vision of the highway system in this country which opened up our entire country to commerce. And have Ronald Reagan gave a division of ending the Cold War which occurred we need leadership in Washington DC we need to. Stop the negative stuff let's look at a real vision brought nation. Act of the American dream missed sellout yeah I firmly believe that the American dream is still went in the grabbed every American if congress lead us. If side up if we can return the government of the people back to the people because that congress' enlistment was right now.

Jim should be elected -- Reelect at tomorrow's elections Jim special election up there in the fifth congressional district -- scallop the merrimack valley wanted to -- they say the numbers. At a I don't I don't get caught up in the number the numbering of district do you anticipate any day of a property. Is being. Able to work with body Meehan who is the guy who held the seat for a number years and is now the chancellor -- umass Lowell talks a lot about economic development and the role of the at the university the state colleges and community colleges and he is did you anticipate any friction there.

Oh absolutely not go back with the parties there -- I don't dad always at all want to campaign I'm not a partisan politician a work with Democrat Republican independent I don't care who comes up with the idea. If it's a good idea for the fifth district good idea of America the -- got a -- what do we do. But stopped as partisan bickering in Washington we need to come together and unite and solve America's problems does that answer each and everyone about problems. If we -- American let's take at least let's solve it not as they traveled the world with the military. You know -- they had noticed around the world is American cable news is everywhere. If people around the world a look at at America aren't saying what these people don't like -- resolving their problems what they come together. We have an opportunity initialed -- world that we can lead that we have the greatest nation in the world and let's put salt of America's problems.

I think we do what I think we do tend to forget what -- what type of example we have been in the past can be for the world.

Well it -- 1 Tom because you know like if -- that cable lose its postal. Entire world there isn't a country in the world but I've been to -- watched American news -- clearly and of course bumble bees and -- culture. Is -- is that the united introduce all throughout the world and we have that opportunity to leave.

Jim brown have briefly who were who were coming up kind of hot on a break out on the poconos the view on health KL always. Always an evolving issue a challenge out did Nikki very very. Aggressive run in support of this S chip expansion and usually the Democrats or Republicans proper ways what's field you know -- view on healthcare challenges that this country faces.

Well first of you know we have the greatest health care in the world right here in the United States. If you're going to be -- this depletion want to -- it clearly shows that leaders around the world come the United States they helped. That we have to get the costs under control I endorse this I'd like this Massachusetts file program that is static where are. And that is I don't want big government the federal level the government might seem like it used to fill -- big government like the -- and -- service that continues to feel the American people. But keep that the state level -- an -- the other states used -- as a role model.

Well appreciate the time you've given us Jim must say this to you went to -- as well into the other candidates I know there are other candidates but really you would -- have you know kind of grabbed the limelight and it looks like it's a two person rates I industry and the energy in the adrenaline Iran and on until all all the way through tomorrow night so I say they're both the EU we had to -- to say thanks to -- to step into the arena or give the people of Massachusetts a choice

living in right now what's what's economize July livid. Yes I did Matt and I can't vote you will go well they're -- ask if you vote at an ever Patrick got out.

and I would like that's -- listening audience tomorrow is Election Day if you want real change Washington DC -- surgical route to Washington because we don't need anymore politics as usual comment that the problem my comment. Is currently got 11 but. -- approval rating and it won't -- that in the that district we don't need to and the Washington and said he descent present enough media that they have the ultimate compliment she says you're exactly what the founding fathers property wanted to go to Washington.

we'll have -- he has what happens -- can tell you the minute you get if you get elected tomorrow you know what's going to happen on Wednesday. You'll be described by somebody as a politician how hot

well thought -- I actually want to be called a statement not a politician.

Allocate page about going to Stephen good to colony give us some time give us some insights on this will open to calls from anybody and everybody up there in the fifth district what you see what you've heard what you liked despite. -- let Jim Bogut -- go will be back with you in a moment on AM six AD WRKO